Okay, got to go to sleep soon or I'll be driving a few hundred miles without anything approaching rest, which would be bad. Part of the problem I've been having, and I realize lurking's lurking but I feel the need to justify myself, is that whenever I get a minute to read the topic it's always got a hard deadline attached, and having to produce
something from the chaos that is a mafia topic in half an hour or else suffer real-life consequences does the opposite of ordering my mind. I get into information-overload and can't come up with anything coherent that isn't pure regurgitation. Doesn't help that I haven't played in a year. Ugh.
Anyway. The only people who've said things that really jump out at me now as scummy are Bill, Pietro (yeah, that's useful) and Kyle, so Kyle is who I will be focusing on. Possibly for above-mentioned reasons of information overload, but still, that's what I'm getting.
Day 1: He starts by going after Moses on flavor/PM-sorta-quoting grounds. That goes nowhere, and he ends up joining the pile on Tyrone....sorta.
"I suppose it's time for me to weigh in on the big monopoly of the day, Tyrone Callahan. He did draw my attention when he tried to piggyback onto my first sale of the day, when he clearly didn't in any solid sense upon looking at the official court records. I would still say that what happened between Moses and I was a matter of trust, in which I did not trust the man. Tyrone is attributing Moses' behavior during the day in a much more sinister light than that even, and it doesn't quite pass inspection, maybe even voids the warranty. It's stubborn and argumentative through and through. While Chad might just be right in that it may not help town either way, there isn't much in the way that does that has support at this point. I've never been one to follow trends arbitrarily, but if business is to remain productive and profitable one must see how the winds are blowing though." (OOC: The glib nature of the last sentence is more flavor than anything)
NINJA'D! Changing how this ends since someone else put him at L-1.
"So if you need an outsider's perspective, I suppose I would be fine weighing in on it if the town needs to decide."
His statement on the case is short on specifics, doesn't give any solid reason for why Kyle's own case on Moses was valid ("I did not trust the man") but Tyrone's isn't, but was (in theory) prepared to back that up with a vote that would have sent Callahan to L-1. Also bear in mind that he abandoned the case against Bike not because he thought better of it, but because it wasn't catching on.
After a bit, Kyle straightens out his suspenders and tips his hat. "Well, I suppose any salesman worth his salt knows when to give up on a sale."
##Unvote: Moses Bike
"Hopefully if more evidence comes to light I will be able to unload the merchandise, but there's no profit to be made hawking a product no one wants.
Soooo....you still wanted Bike lynched (if there's another way to read that comment, I don't see it), but were willing to put Callahan's neck in the noose instead, because he wanted Bike lynched
more. I hope I'm not the only one that sounds off to.
Day 2. I'm fine with his switch to Hellsnake. Like I said before, Hellsnake had some of the scummiest play we've seen in this game. He doesn't have the world's strongest case when he casts the vote at the start of the day, but you don't
need a strong case to prod somebody at day's opening. Hellsnake wilting under pressure was his own fault.
This, however, was not Hellsnake's fault:
In retrospect, the vote-tagging at the end probably wasn't the best way to go about that, but I'll stick by it. And just because I didn't bring him up doesn't mean I'm not still watching Bike. I'm waiting very intently to see how this claim of his works out, and honestly the only thing that will clear him as far as that is his death, as far as I'm concerned. Just dropping him from consideration due to this isn't the way to go, as it ends up the same if he is an extra death down the line or he is lynched today even, unless he's scum. So actually that might be the economic thing to do! Just throwing that out there.
And to Nathan, I know it's an uncomfortable suggestion, but look at it. We still lose him tomorrow if he's telling the truth, and if he's lying, we lynch a scum. Lynching a scum is NEVER gaining nothing. If you came out against this from the position that his lynch tells us nothing, it'd make a little more sense, but if he ends up being scum it is not. I never said that we should forget looking at everyone else either.
Yes, I know I pointed it out before, but it is
really, really, really bad. The case against Bike was based in flavor and metagame and not much else
and it was a Day 1 kerfluffle, and then Kyle comes out and openly suggests lynching him based on
new flavor. There's no new argument here for why he's scummy, just some very bad logic - the idea that losing a townie to nightkill is as bad as losing one to mislynch, so why not risk the mislynch - that's supposed to get us to lower our standards enough to buy into the Day 1 case.
Says nothing about the Pietro case, but he doesn't have a single post anywhere between his last post on Day 2 (before Pietro was a going thing) and his first on Day 3. I think if I got up in arms about
that, I'd be smote by lightning where I stand.
Day 3:
Decent, if brief, contributions on some new people, mainly Nathan, Ronald and to a lesser extent myself. Well, of course it's new people, since everybody he's expressed suspicion of to this point is dead, so town or scum, he's got to start from scratch. On its own it's a null-to-townie sort of read, but it's also the effect of two days of tunnel vision. That's not great.
##Vote Kyle HandleyThis might be the last time I get online before deadline hits, so if I feel someone's scummy enough to vote on, I'd better do it now.
Aside from the aforementioned issues with Nathan, I'm finding Chad hard to read because of the (now well-publicized) flavor overdose. Also, Nathan, while I'm looking at Kyle-related contributions, care to explain this?
"As for Handley:
Just dropping him from consideration due to this isn't the way to go, as it ends up the same if he is an extra death down the line or he is lynched today even, unless he's scum. So actually that might be the economic thing to do! Just throwing that out there.
...Wait, what? You want to lynch the guy who's already claimed that some deep dark secret is gonna eat him up tomorrow? What do we have to gain from lynching him a day early, rather than spending today looking for other suspicious folk?"
((If we lynch Town!Bike, then obviously we've wasted a day and given scum an extra head. If we lynch Scum!Bike, then we've gained NOTHING compared to if we'd just waited out the day, noticed he was still alive, and lynched him D3. So there's no reason to risk pressing for his lynch (we lose out if we're right, and gain nothing if we're wrong) and the fact you're even suggesting this makes me feel uncomfortable.
Still think Pietro's passive suggestions are a little scummier than Kyle's in-your-face wrongness, though. Andrews and Nikolai (MUCH easier to remember than Kolmogorov) still need to exist.))
Yesterday, Pietro was just "a little scummier" than Kyle. Today, Kyle isn't even on your list of suspicious persons. In fact, you haven't even mentioned his name since arguing the Bike point on Day 2. Why?
And now, to sleep.
