And Li did "leave". Even if someone is active, if they miss the last quarter of the day, including a sudden death with himself on the chopping block, you have to at least consider it's on purpose. It's not just actions, it's the timing of actions too. Although Maya at least brings up a good counterargument that he could have easily saved himself if he'd been around, which I hadn't considered. It's enough to give me pause, but I'm still in the purposeful camp, so I'm still decided on this for now, with Mai being my #2.
Actually, by that logic it strongly looks in his favour to
be around during the end of the day, if you're still going by the "Li-skipped-a-day-on-purpose" logic. Not sure what to think of the rest of the Li case, beyond the fact that so much of it seems to be based around things that Li did that were
odd or
nonsensical rather than
scummy or even
anti-town. He does have case-parroting against him, but it doesn't seen to be blatant and the case is otherwise valid, and the rest of his behaviours are more "lolwhat" than scummy.
In general, ugh. This is bad, but not enough to make Helga a top target.
Seconding Mai that the
blindingly obvious cases are the ones to go after. First off, there's Leia. Do I even have to elaborate on this? Shows up, calls the thread boring, and then half-asses a case on "gut"? After the
absolutely craptacular behaviour yesterday at deadline? Yeah no. At worst you're scum, at best you're being an extremely blatant distraction playing
extremely anti-town. So yeah. Dieplz.
Ugh. Leia: could you quit being a jackass? Much appreciated. Thanks.
(Actually, wait, Tron seems to indicate that the slimeness on Tanaka's part is RP? That means that Leia voted someone over--argh goddamnit how much worse can you get?)
The other people that stuck out when rereading were Margaret and Tron. Regarding the former, well... on the one hand, her reaction to Asuka's post when he unvoted her was a bit... not quite warranted (I don't see how her actions cleared her at that point), but on the other hand given flips it seems slightly less of an issue than it would be otherwise (or I could just be making no sense at all here). Once again, I came into this with a negative opinion of her from her earlier D1 play, but her latest posts all seem to be fine. Short, but the cases are fine and I can't say I disagree with the vote for Leia, or the reasoning for it. Still not convinced about her opinions regarding Tron, though.
Tron is a bit less obvious. I'm starting from Maya's case on D1, which was brought up again D2. D1 she overreacted and generally made a clown of herself, which... perhaps is slightly scummy, but I'm not sure how likely town are to flail around in a mad panic if they think they'll be lynched early, so... hm. That being said, D2: Maya
has posted on people other than you, today, in fact a fair amount in her second major post today. You have... not. Some commentary on stuff that doesn't seem all that useful for alignment-determining purposes, such as the late-D1 Helga rudeness, and of course the Houlihan case at the beginning of the day, but most of your posts were either further arguments with Maya, or some speculation as to whether scum would want to hammer a townie at the end of D1 or further perpetuate a tie (fairly pointless imho, not to mention so prone to interpretation that it basically falls apart completely). So yeah. A bit more commentary, something on the scale of Maya's post about everyone-that-was-not-you would be nice, thanks. Much appreciated.
Don't really have any issues with Maya. MAIDENKAMPF...hmm. Li: I'm not sure why you think that Leia isn't the one of the lurkers to go after. Lurking, then returning only to contribute
precisely nothing over the course of
several posts is imho even worse than Vanilla Lurking. As for the rest... uh yeah I think Li is just being absurdly nitpicky. I'll disagree that Helga is worth a vote, but otherwise I... don't see any problems with his cases? Yeah, don't see anything that would make me think he's scum so far.
(Li: yes, stuff came up. Oh noez, it took a little longer. Would you rather I have not proofread and checked this over? Yes my lurking is inexcusable but
now of all times is a remarkably odd time for someone to crack regarding it).
Couple of issues with your comment: first off, I fail to see how my behaviour is worse than Leia's. D1, perhaps, though I stand to think that jumping in and voting for someone with no logic at all is worse than actually trying to state some sort of opinion. D2, though? Come on. But regardless of that, we're just mincing words here. As for mistakes, I'm... not seeing them. Unless you try to claim that Chiaki
didn't unvote someone pointlessly without voting for someone else, which either he definetly
did on D1, or I'm blind - as that was the main argument behind my case. Weak in general? Sure. But for D1 I'd like to consider it as not being bad, especially as I was otherwise wary of the Tron Bonne case at the time. Whatever. Anyway, still don't think Li's anything other than a townie at this point, albeit misguided.
The only person I still can't really make sense of right now is Helga, but let me get this out first before I land on the business end of a sword... or worse. More in my next post.
No vote, partly because Leia's at L-1 and partly because... I'm not 100% convinced on Leia. Her behaviour is horribad, but I can't seem to get over the feeling that this is
too easy almost. Like you'd think that an actual scum would put more effort into, y'know, saving themselves, than what Leia is doing right now (which seems to be basically walking headfirst towards the guillotine). Blargh.
