RPGDL 2013 Season 1, Week 1: SAGAFEDLGO

[Cmdr_King]

Godlike

Lady (Shadow Hearts: From the New World) vs Kyogre (Pokémon)
Alicia (Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria) vs Bloodbane (Valkyrie Profile)
TimeLord (SaGa Frontier) vs Elincia (Fire Emblem Series)
ZEKE (SaGa Frontier) vs Elidibs (Final Fantasy Tactics)

Heavy

Hector (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Auron (Final Fantasy X)
Billy Lee Black (Xenogears) vs Kika (Suikoden IV)
Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Limstella (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword)
Umi (Cthulhu Saves the World) vs Palom (Final Fantasy IV)

Middle

Canas (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Kesaran Pasaran (Wild ARMs 4)
White Rose (SaGa Frontier) vs Eiko  Carol (Final Fantasy IX)
Rinoa Heartlily (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Jill (Fire Emblem: Series)
Odessa (Suikoden) vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete)

Light

Estella (Suikoden III) vs Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII)
Solt (Chrono Cross) vs Baigan (Final Fantasy IV)
Zegai (Suikoden V) vs Laguna Liore (Final Fantasy VIII)
Ramus Farmain (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete) vs Guido (Grandia)

[Dark Holy Elf]

A few of these could change since my math is only based on quick looks at stat topics rather than any in-depth analysis.

Godlike

Lady (Shadow Hearts: From the New World) vs Kyogre (Pokémon): Faster, has damage slightly higher than I see Lady's HP.
Alicia (Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria) vs Bloodbane (Valkyrie Profile): OHKOs with Prismatic Missile or Sacred Javelin.
TimeLord (SaGa Frontier) vs Elincia (Fire Emblem Series): Stone. Or just raw damage.
ZEKE (SaGa Frontier) vs Elidibs (Final Fantasy Tactics): Kneejerk says mec durability is too strong.

Heavy

Hector (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Auron (Final Fantasy X): Auron can force Hector to attack and counter him (otherwise Ally overdrive). Hector will need at least two attacks, giving Auron two pretty mean ITD counters, and then his mean finisher.
Billy Lee Black (Xenogears) vs Kika (Suikoden IV): Isn't OHKOed, don't think Kika is fast enough to avoid the haste-double.
Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Limstella (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword): Eph doubles. Things die.
Umi (Cthulhu Saves the World) vs Palom (Final Fantasy IV): Words do not describe the overkill here. (FF4o Palom.)

Middle

Canas (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Kesaran Pasaran (Wild ARMs 4): Offhand, Nosferatu probably lets him take this.
White Rose (SaGa Frontier) vs Eiko  Carol (Final Fantasy IX): LightSword for the speed boost, then heal-lock with MegaWindblast. WR is immune to silence and mini won't stop a finisher from Mystic Sword.
Rinoa Heartlily (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Jill (Fire Emblem: Series): Welcome to Middle, Rinoa.
Odessa (Suikoden) vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete): Assuming WoS stops Slam Dance. If it doesn't this is pretty good.

Light

Estella (Suikoden III) vs Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII): Better.
Solt (Chrono Cross) vs Baigan (Final Fantasy IV): BETTER.
Zegai (Suikoden V) vs Laguna Liore (Final Fantasy VIII): Wrath Rune makes limit dodging easy.
Ramus Farmain (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete) vs Guido (Grandia): Kneejerk that he's less bad than the 5HKOing, 80% PCHP, below average speed wonder.

[Random Consonant]

Godlike
TimeLord (SaGa Frontier) vs Elincia (Fire Emblem Series) - Hi.
ZEKE (SaGa Frontier) vs Elidibs (Final Fantasy Tactics) - No Elidibs

Heavy

Hector (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Auron (Final Fantasy X) - Sure.
Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Limstella (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) - The humanity.
Umi (Cthulhu Saves the World) vs Palom (Final Fantasy IV) - Not sure how I feel about Dark Umi formchoice.  Maybe there's some build that I forget that could let her take FF4a?  Bah. Edit: I'll buy Insane Agility + Slow Strike hype.

Middle

Canas (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Kesaran Pasaran (Wild ARMs 4) - kesaran pasaran nooooo
White Rose (SaGa Frontier) vs Eiko  Carol (Final Fantasy IX)
Rinoa Heartlily (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Jill (Fire Emblem: Series) - Hi.
Odessa (Suikoden) vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete)

Light
Solt (Chrono Cross) vs Baigan (Final Fantasy IV) - Less incompetent.
Ramus Farmain (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete) vs Guido (Grandia) - Kneejerk.

[SnowFire]

Alicia (Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria) vs Bloodbane (Valkyrie Profile)
Yeah sure limit triple acting + doubtful Alicia can outrace Heal anyway.

Heavy

Hector (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Auron (Final Fantasy X)
Hector doesn't double, right?  Power Break is too much then probably. EDIT: Actually Hector does double.
Billy Lee Black (Xenogears) vs Kika (Suikoden IV)
Not OHKO'd.
Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Limstella (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword)
Kneejerk.
Umi (Cthulhu Saves the World) vs Palom (Final Fantasy IV)
FF4o Palom explodes.  While I wouldn't normally hype it, note that FF4a Palom still loses to Dark Umi, if you think that's legal.

Middle

Canas (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Kesaran Pasaran (Wild ARMs 4)
Uhhh.
Rinoa Heartlily (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Jill (Fire Emblem: Series)
They both 3HKO each other, Rinoa is ranged and not triggering counters, and Rinoa is exactly average speed (not that I would seriously respect a 1 or 2 point difference from the average anyway when it's overwhelmed by the SPD junction in-game.).  I'll give it to Jill off a threat range tiebreak, though, plus being very good at chipping around a limit.
Odessa (Suikoden) vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete)
Probably Jean's status game?  S1 not much for status blocking and Odessa shouldn't OHKO...

Light

Estelle (Suikoden III) vs Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII)
Solt (Chrono Cross) vs Baigan (Final Fantasy IV)
Baigan not really a Light according to the stat topic, a 3HKOing spoiler with okay durability...
Zegai (Suikoden V) vs Laguna Liore (Final Fantasy VIII)
Zegai was more a tank than a damage champ, right? EDIT: Apparently not.
Ramus Farmain (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete) vs Guido (Grandia)
ID weapon hype.   EDIT: See Elf, ID rate is too low.

[VySaika]

Godlike

Lady (Shadow Hearts: From the New World) vs Kyogre (Pokémon)
Alicia (Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria) vs Bloodbane (Valkyrie Profile) - Kneejerk? I don't think Heal is cutting it here, and Alicia doesn't exactly kill things fast.
TimeLord (SaGa Frontier) vs Elincia (Fire Emblem Series) - No way does she survive Overdrive
ZEKE (SaGa Frontier) vs Elidibs (Final Fantasy Tactics) - Don't remember Elidibs well enough

Heavy

Hector (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Auron (Final Fantasy X) - Power Break + WTA + Hector isn't fast enough to double even a slug like Auron. I think he's got this.
Billy Lee Black (Xenogears) vs Kika (Suikoden IV) - Think she just 2HKOs with Falcon Rune, since I recall her being fast, prolly fast enough to avoid the instant double.
Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Limstella (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) - Eph doubles here? Yeah, SPLAT.
Umi (Cthulhu Saves the World) vs Palom (Final Fantasy IV)

Middle

Canas (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Kesaran Pasaran (Wild ARMs 4)
White Rose (SaGa Frontier) vs Eiko Carol (Final Fantasy IX) - I'm sure CARBUNCLE can stop MegaWindblast spam from working...right? Well, it probably does. Just means WR kills her with something else.
Rinoa Heartlily (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Jill (Fire Emblem: Series) - I don't think her chakram counts as an arrow, despite being ranged, so Jill just bounces a wyvern off her head. And there was much rejoicing.
Odessa (Suikoden) vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete)

Light

Estelle (Suikoden III) vs Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII) - Boom
Solt (Chrono Cross) vs Baigan (Final Fantasy IV) - Baigan is bad, but...not Solt bad.
Zegai (Suikoden V) vs Laguna Liore (Final Fantasy VIII) - Wrath Rune carries this, sure.
Ramus Farmain (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete) vs Guido (Grandia)

[Dark Holy Elf]

Zegai was more a tank than a damage champ, right?

Zegai had the Wrath Rune, which berserks and heals him, making him a damage champ. His big DL failing is bad speed, but after Wrath he has a low-mid 2HKO (61% to average) which should leave take out non-Squall/Rinoa FF8 pretty easily.

EDIT: Also, to head off any terrible Guido hype, Assassin's Dagger is not only usable by almost the entire cast (everyone save Liete IIRC) and hence should be regarded questionably lest you also give every FFX PC Sleepstrike, but it has a measly 5% chance of ID anyway. Yes, Guido does swing 3 times with it, but that's still turn 8 if you use >66% and his basic physical is noted as being extremely slow, which I also remember.

[Magic Fanatic]

Godlike

Lady (Shadow Hearts: From the New World) vs Kyogre (Pokémon) - Not sure how I view Kyogre here, or Lady HP.

Heavy

Abstain

Middle

White Rose (SaGa Frontier) vs Eiko Carol (Final Fantasy IX) - More options for threats.
Odessa (Suikoden) vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete) - This one's weird.  S1 Wind of Sleep is actually good, which makes this really easy for Odessa - Odessa is WAY faster than Jean, and Wind of Sleep is as good as Turn 1.  After that, Shredding and Storm give her the match.  If you force Odessa's stats to when she leaves and scale her that way...  At the time she leaves, she has one charge of Shredding, and it's at least 2x PCHP damage.

Light

Solt (Chrono Cross) vs Baigan (Final Fantasy IV) - No.
Zegai (Suikoden V) vs Laguna Liore (Final Fantasy VIII) - Zegai can probably chip around a limit - not that he needs to, mind.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Lady (Shadow Hearts: From the New World) vs Kyogre (Pokémon) - Lady as below 1.6x PC HP? Yeah, I guess I can buy that.
Alicia (Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria) vs Bloodbane (Valkyrie Profile) - lol ohko
ZEKE (SaGa Frontier) vs Elidibs (Final Fantasy Tactics) - I think ZEKE just OHKOs Elidibs if he charges for Zodiac. Heck, he isn't far from one as is. >_> And he doesn't even -need- it to boot. <_<

Hector (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Auron (Final Fantasy X) - ITD counter whoring really puts a damper on Hector's game there, and the damage busting does him no favors either.
Billy Lee Black (Xenogears) vs Kika (Suikoden IV) - No OHKO? No OHKO.
Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Limstella (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) - Ephraim is a bonafide Godlike when he doubles someone. Limstella doesn't beat bonafide Godlikes (nor does she beat SHADY THOUSAND, but this is a talk for another day).
Umi (Cthulhu Saves the World) vs Palom (Final Fantasy IV) - EDIT: I'm suspecting Insane Agility and Slow Strike stacking lets Umi scrape a 3-2 against Palom of the 85% average speed -at best-, and I'm willing to see CSTW Stun as only activating when the PC sees his/her turn, given how this is what happens -in-game-.

Canas (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Kesaran Pasaran (Wild ARMs 4) - Nosferatu counters spoil so hard.
White Rose (SaGa Frontier) vs Eiko  Carol (Final Fantasy IX) - Uh, Eiko immunes Lightning. Wouldn't that null MegaWindBlast entirely? Not sure it matters, though: speed split on Eiko is pretty fierce once LightSword kicks in, Eiko has to blow through her resources very heftily if she wants to actually deal damage to White Rose, her relevant status is immuned and spamming GlassShield+Starlight Heal+Mystic whatever will take care of things eventually.
Rinoa Heartlily (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Jill Fizzart (Fire Emblem: Series) - Hello~
Odessa Silverburg (Suikoden) vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete) - Odessa is actually -faster- and her status is more accurate. Even EBO Jean needs at least two turns to get a win and post-WoS Storm+naked Storm 2HKOs Jean.

Estella (Suikoden III) vs Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII) - Dear god in Heaven.
Solt (Chrono Cross) vs Baigan (Final Fantasy IV) - :solt:
Zegai (Suikoden V) vs Laguna Loire (Final Fantasy VIII) - Um yeah, Wrath keeps this out of any doubt.
Ramus Farmain (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete) vs Guido (Grandia) - BETTER. STRONGER. MORE AGGRESSIVE.

[Magic Fanatic]

Odessa (Suikoden) vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete) - Odessa is actually -faster- and her status is more accurate. Even EBO Jean needs at least two turns to get a win and post-WoS Storm 2HKOs Jean.

Might need a fix there.  You have the vote pointing at Jean, but the explanation saying Odessa's better.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Oops, my bad. Fixed.

[Dark Holy Elf]

MegaWindblast hits the lowest of fire, ice, and lightning resistance. If I'm reading the stat topic correctly Eiko can't resist all three at once. (Only Dark Hat resists ice, and outside hats, she only has armours to resist fire and lightning, and can't get both.) I don't think it matters though, as you note.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

It's mostly that I remember you mentioning before that, if one of the elements are outright -immuned-, the attack fails. This was relevant for Pamela vs. Red, but this may well be a different ballpark.

[Dark Holy Elf]

If it's made to fail entirely by a shield, yes. I wouldn't see 100% elemental resistance as falling in that category... it's entirely possible for 99 elemental defence to null out an attack in Saga Frontier, too. edit: and to be clear, such nulling-level elemental resistance doesn't work against multi-elemental attacks unless you have it for all elements.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Oooh, different ballpark entirely, then. Since most magically-based elements don't get shield-blocked in SaGa, makes sense to not have them fall under this scrutiny. Yeah, the fight gets even easier this way because now Eiko's under constant coup du grace threat.

[superaielman]

Lady (Shadow Hearts: From the New World) vs Kyogre (Pokémon)- Kneejerk.
Alicia (Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria) vs Bloodbane (Valkyrie Profile)
TimeLord (SaGa Frontier) vs Elincia (Fire Emblem Series)- OverDrive does it's thing.
ZEKE (SaGa Frontier) vs Elidibs (Final Fantasy Tactics)- OHKO with Zodiac.

Heavy

Hector (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Auron (Final Fantasy X)- Power break. Hector might double but I don't think it changes things.
Billy Lee Black (Xenogears) vs Kika (Suikoden IV)- No clue.
Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Limstella (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword)

Middle

White Rose (SaGa Frontier) vs Eiko Carol (Final Fantasy IX)- FAscination and speed difference. Eiko's stats are pretty awful.
Rinoa Heartlily (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Jill (Fire Emblem: Series)- Go away Rinoa.
Odessa (Suikoden) vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete)

Light

Estella (Suikoden III) vs Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII)
Solt (Chrono Cross) vs Baigan (Final Fantasy IV)- Is the goddamn Baigan.
Zegai (Suikoden V) vs Laguna Liore (Final Fantasy VIII)
Ramus Farmain (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete) vs Guido (Grandia) vs The Mighty Sancho (FM4)

[Pyro]

Godlike

Lady (Shadow Hearts: From the New World) vs Kyogre (Pokémon): Lady. I was never that good with the Judgement ring, and I don't think I hold Lady against sidequests.
Alicia (Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria) vs Bloodbane (Valkyrie Profile) : Bloodbane. 2HKOs through heal (Alicia resists Holy 20% and Bllodbane should be scaled to some BoZ abuse as he is on the A end route). He shouldn't be 2HKOd.
TimeLord (SaGa Frontier) vs Elincia (Fire Emblem Series): Timelord.
ZEKE (SaGa Frontier) vs Elidibs (Final Fantasy Tactics)

Heavy

Hector (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Auron (Final Fantasy X): Auron. Hector isn't that good vs ITD when AS is scaled into damages.
Billy Lee Black (Xenogears) vs Kika (Suikoden IV): Billy if Kika really misses the OHKO.
Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Limstella (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword): Ephraim. AS damage scaling does wonders gor him.
Umi (Cthulhu Saves the World) vs Palom (Final Fantasy IV): Umi. Uh, why the fuck does she care aboit Dark Umi? Siren's Call -> .87 pchp damage. Or if Palom resists thunder by a bunch poisonstrike, which puts Palom on a countown to his own doom or Sealstrike probably OHKOs him anyway once doubled. Or Stun Strike to beat him in a status odds war.

Middle

Canas (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Kesaran Pasaran (Wild ARMs 4): Who?
White Rose (SaGa Frontier) vs Eiko  Carol (Final Fantasy IX): White Rose.
Rinoa Heartlily (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Jill (Fire Emblem: Series): Jill. phys durability and damage control.
Odessa (Suikoden) vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete): Odessa. Kind of crazy. Shredding OHKOs.

Light

Estella (Suikoden III) vs Aeris: Estella. Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII)
Solt (Chrono Cross) vs Baigan (Final: Fantasy IV): Baigan.
Zegai (Suikoden V) vs Laguna Liore (Final Fantasy VIII): Zegai. Probably has no business in Light.
Ramus Farmain (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete) vs Guido (Grandia):  Guido. Ramus is horribler.

[DjinnAndTonic]

Lady - not scaling Lady against most of the optional stuff
Bloodbane
Timelord
ZEKE

Auron - Hector doesn't double, easy choice
Billy
Ephraim
Umi

Canas
White Rose
Jill
Odessa

Estella
Baigan
Zegai
Guido - scaled to leaving Ramus is really bad.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Just for the record, the stat topic figure of 45000 HP for VP endgame bosses already includes *calculates* 23 levels of BoZ use. Granted, it doesn't factor in Material Gems (although I personally would be uncomfortable with scaling bosses against both heavy BoZ use and Material Gems simultaneously).

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike

Lady (Shadow Hearts: From the New World) vs Kyogre (Pokémon)- She's 2 PC HP area to me, so yeah, takes a hit.
Alicia (Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria) vs Bloodbane (Valkyrie Profile)
TimeLord (SaGa Frontier) vs Elincia (Fire Emblem Series)

Heavy

Hector (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Auron (Final Fantasy X)
Billy Lee Black (Xenogears) vs Kika (Suikoden IV)
Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Limstella (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword)

Middle

Canas (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Kesaran Pasaran (Wild ARMs 4)
White Rose (SaGa Frontier) vs Eiko  Carol (Final Fantasy IX)
Rinoa Heartlily (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Jill (Fire Emblem: Series)- Uh...uh...uh. So Jill has a borderline 2HKO (like dead borderline. 53.6 to a 106 kill point) to me, and Jill 10 isn't exactly high on Pdur (it's...averagish). So Jill misses the 2HKO with Rinoa's HP I'm betting. So...sure range.
Odessa (Suikoden) vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete)

Light

Estella (Suikoden III) vs Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII)
Solt (Chrono Cross) vs Baigan (Final Fantasy IV)
Zegai (Suikoden V) vs Laguna Liore (Final Fantasy VIII)
Ramus Farmain (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete) vs Guido (Grandia)- Oh god, I thought Ramus ended up worse than Guido when he left. But no notes.

[Lance]

Godlike
Alicia (Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria) vs Bloodbane (Valkyrie Profile)
TimeLord (SaGa Frontier) vs Elincia (Fire Emblem Series)
ZEKE (SaGa Frontier) vs Elidibs (Final Fantasy Tactics)

Heavy
Hector (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Auron (Final Fantasy X)
Billy Lee Black (Xenogears) vs Kika (Suikoden IV)
Ephraim (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) vs Limstella (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword)

Middle
Canas (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword) vs Kesaran Pasaran (Wild ARMs 4)
White Rose (SaGa Frontier) vs Eiko Carol (Final Fantasy IX)
Rinoa Heartlily (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Jill (Fire Emblem: Series)
Odessa (Suikoden) vs Jean (Lunar: Eternal Blue Complete)

Light
Estella (Suikoden III) vs Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII)
Solt (Chrono Cross) vs Baigan (Final Fantasy IV)
Zegai (Suikoden V) vs Laguna Liore (Final Fantasy VIII)
Ramus Farmain (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete) vs Guido (Grandia)

[SnowFire]

Elf: Okay, fine, thought Assassin's Dagger's ID rate was better than a cruddy 5%.  It'd be nice if there were better Ramus stats, but alas.  Ramus probably does barely win that "slugfest" then, equally terrible damage but notably better durability.

Zegai: Okay, yeah, that doesn't sound exactly Light, even if not much good in Middle.

Vote changed for both.

Speaking of vote changes...  okay, Hector does double Auron, and it does matter.  Stat topic lists Auron as 62% avg. speed on the first turn (okay yeah yeah initiative hype), and 68% speed double-turning.  That is horrible!  Hector's only a point & a half below average; the naive way of switching 68% spd -> 68% the FE7 average -> Auron is 14 FE7 speed, while Hector is ~19.2-.5 spd or so.  That's plenty of room for a double, especially since I'm ignoring AS which would reduce the AS average even further in a way that the high-Con Hector doesn't care about.  As for WTD, Hector can equip swords, too...

So yeah, Power Break-> eat 2x Hector hits, 2x Hector hits (1x Auron counter), Auron gets one attempt to finish a 3HKO.  Even with him being grinded down (by a weaker Sword if Hector is fearing the numbers adding up perfectly), I don't think Auron is 3HKOing Hector's excellent HP, and then eats 2 counters and then another Hector action and is surely dead.

[Dark Holy Elf]

My own view of FE CTB speed->AS conversion puts Auron at -3.9 average AS, so not doubled by Hector. CTB->AS is an extremely arbitrary scale so I'm not going to fault anyone using a different one, but in general I'd use caution about a large translation, since presumably Auron's CTB speed is already hurting him in the normal fashion, here.

Otherwise no argument, Auron loses if he's doubled. Unless you see FE doubles triggering two FFX counters (as FFX doubleacting does) but I'm inclined to see the second hit ignoring counters as a specific property of FE doubles.

[superaielman]

Zegai is a slow starter. He just handles straight slugfests well. Baigan and Estella are likely both better than him, though I think he might spoil both anyway.

[SnowFire]

Baigan is more a low Middle according to the stat topic (3HKOs, spoils mages, boss immunities, meh but not totally fail durability), Estella is a very High Light due to having the best damage in all Light pretty much (too bad about the slow & frail part).  Zegai also gets the Suiko V elemental & status resistance works which are pretty decent.  So yeah, he definitely spoils Estella and should beat Baigan as well, so pretty sure he just roflstomps Light in general.

[Dhyerwolf]

Estella isn't really slow though (she can 2HKO off above average speed). I wouldn't even say she is that frail (especially for her type) as her PDur is like 80% (or if you see most people equipping for defense, her Pdur is a little but her damage is even better). I could easily call all 3 Middle (Zegai is harder to peg because the speed is so bad, but 1.6 PDur+awesome resist equips)