RPGDL 2014 Season 1, Week 3

[Random Consonant]

For what it's worth, the 0.673 figure I arrived at was assuming (what I think was) the stat topic's 1-2-3 assumption for a CC character's default, which as pointed out in the stat topic isn't actually the optimal one but I was far far too lazy to adjust for this when I looked.  Regardless Elfboy's point about a chain+L7 from the back letting Karsh heal lock with almost *anything* still stands since any adjustment to the averages accounted for that shouldn't effect that too dramatically.

Also for the record ToS overlimits fucking fail for accessability and Regal needs to get hit 42 times to get there assuming one lets him start halfway and the information posted in the stat topic is correct, trying to actively stall for one is a recipe for failure.

[Lance]

Godlike
Celes Chere (Final Fantasy VI) vs Zog (Breath of Fire)
Liza (SaGa Frontier) vs Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII)

Heavy
Sinspawn Gui (Final Fantasy X) vs Mog (Final Fantasy VI)
Angela (Seiken Densetsu 3) vs Scias (Breath of Fire IV)
Rikku (Final Fantasy X) vs Chie Satonaka (Persona 4)
Momo (Breath of Fire III) vs Lucian (Valkyrie Profile)

Middle
Bartholomew Fatima (Xenogears) vs Tengaar (Suikoden Series)

Light
Luke fon Fabre (Tales of the Abyss) vs Jelanda (Valkyrie Profile)
Nina (Suikoden II) vs Piccolo (Suikoden III)
Dancer (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Jet Enduro (Wild ARMs 3)
Cinnamon (Mega Man X: Command Mission) vs Aguro (Lufia and the Fortress of Doom)

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike

Exdeath (Final Fantasy V) vs Heat (Digital Devil Saga)
Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI) vs Zog (Breath of Fire)
Liza (SaGa Frontier) vs Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII)
Isolde (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis) vs Zophar (Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete)

Heavy

Sinspawn Gui (Final Fantasy X) vs Mog (Final Fantasy VI)
Angela (Seiken Densetsu 3) vs Scias (Breath of Fire IV)- I'm voting this way because 1. It doesn't matter. 2. I'm really not sure that Angela's spell should be seen as going off before Scias's second turn. SD 3 turns are DLwise considered to be 2.25 seconds, the spells she wants go off at 3.75, which is the back end of the second turn. I realize there is a lot of wonkiness here, but these are arguably slow turn 2 spells. Again, I'm not even mathing comparative SD 3 charge times out too much because I'm the only vote this way, but it probably does need to be considered.
Rikku (Final Fantasy X) vs Chie Satonaka (Persona 4)
Momo (Breath of Fire III) vs Lucian (Valkyrie Profile)- 98% damage to Lucian for me!

Middle

Aht (Radiant Historia) vs Karsh (Chrono Cross)
Stocke (Radiant Historia) vs Regal Bryant (Tales of Symphonia)- Respect Stocke's limit going off so much more than Regal's. I don't even remember Overlimits being useful in a way that helps a lot here (Not like TotA where there is an uber move at the end of a combo)
Ayame (Suikoden III) vs Lilianne Valendorf (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy)
Bartholomew Fatima (Xenogears) vs Tengaar (Suikoden Series)

Light

Luke fon Fabre (Tales of the Abyss) vs Jelanda (Valkyrie Profile)
Nina (Suikoden II) vs Piccolo (Suikoden III)]
Dancer (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Jet Enduro (Wild ARMs 3)
Cinnamon (Mega Man X: Command Mission) vs Aguro (Lufia and the Fortress of Doom)

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Angela (Seiken Densetsu 3) vs Scias (Breath of Fire IV)- I'm voting this way because 1. It doesn't matter. 2. I'm really not sure that Angela's spell should be seen as going off before Scias's second turn. SD 3 turns are DLwise considered to be 2.25 seconds, the spells she wants go off at 3.75, which is the back end of the second turn. I realize there is a lot of wonkiness here, but these are arguably slow turn 2 spells. Again, I'm not even mathing comparative SD 3 charge times out too much because I'm the only vote this way, but it probably does need to be considered.

I'd personally rather use 2.25 seconds as the threshold for "average speed" rather than "a turn" (which is quite like how Elfboy worked SO4 out!), though the whole time thresholds probably need to be reworked in a sense for picking up the idea of the averages. That way, this makes Angela's spells roughly 60% average speed. It's also worth noting that you can set the spells to be cast as soon as you -enter- a screen and this pauses action entirely, so you could see the entrance of the casting animation as initiative (I tend to see it this way and I -did- abuse this in-game, though not seeing otherwise is fine). Regardless, it's wonky as fuck.

[Dark Holy Elf]

I'd probably want to play SD3 again to get a better handle on some of this, but...

-Yeah, what Snow said about Angela's spells being at worst above average for turn 2, not slow turn 2.
-Taken literally from in-game, once Angela starts charging a spell, if a spell wins the battle she can not lose before then (due to all status effects, including damage-inflicted death, not taking effect until afte the spell resolves)... at least usually. That's how it works for randoms; Meeple wasn't sure for bosses when I asked him. Which yes means Angela may have some weird sort of initiative, or at least is effectively very fast turn 1 (but then very vulnerable to defensive buffs while she charges). It is a headache.

[Twilkitri]

Godlike

Heavy

Sinspawn Gui (Final Fantasy X) vs Mog (Final Fantasy VI)
Angela (Seiken Densetsu 3) vs Scias (Breath of Fire IV)
Rikku (Final Fantasy X) vs Chie Satonaka (Persona 4)
Momo (Breath of Fire III) vs Lucian (Valkyrie Profile)

Middle

Aht (Radiant Historia) vs Karsh (Chrono Cross)
Stocke (Radiant Historia) vs Regal Bryant (Tales of Symphonia)
Ayame (Suikoden III) vs Lilianne Valendorf (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy)
Bartholomew Fatima (Xenogears) vs Tengaar (Suikoden Series)

Light

[Cmdr_King]

Update in around an hour.  Now's the itme if you haven't voted.

[Luther Lansfeld]

Godlike

Exdeath (Final Fantasy V) vs Heat (Digital Devil Saga)
Celes Chere (Final Fantasy VI) vs Zog (Breath of Fire)
Liza (SaGa Frontier) vs Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII)
Isolde (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis) vs Zophar (Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete)

Heavy

Sinspawn Gui (Final Fantasy X) vs Mog (Final Fantasy VI)
Angela (Seiken Densetsu 3) vs Scias (Breath of Fire IV)
Rikku (Final Fantasy X) vs Chie Satonaka (Persona 4)
Momo (Breath of Fire III) vs Lucian (Valkyrie Profile)

Middle

Aht (Radiant Historia) vs Karsh (Chrono Cross) ::aht::
Stocke (Radiant Historia) vs Regal Bryant (Tales of Symphonia)
Ayame (Suikoden III) vs Lilianne Valendorf (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy)
Bartholomew Fatima (Xenogears) vs Tengaar (Suikoden Series)

Light

Luke fon Fabre (Tales of the Abyss) vs Jelanda (Valkyrie Profile)
Nina (Suikoden II) vs Piccolo (Suikoden III)
Dancer (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Jet Enduro (Wild ARMs 3)
Cinnamon (Mega Man X: Command Mission) vs Aguro (Lufia and the Fortress of Doom)

[Cmdr_King]

Godlike

Exdeath (Final Fantasy V) vs Heat (Digital Devil Saga)- iiiiii
Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI)- iiiiiiiiii vs Zog (Breath of Fire)
Liza (SaGa Frontier) vs Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII)- iiiiiiiiii
Isolde (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis)- i vs Zophar (Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete)- iiiiiiii

Heavy

Sinspawn Gui (Final Fantasy X)- iiiiiiiiii vs Mog (Final Fantasy VI)
Angela (Seiken Densetsu 3)- iiiiiiii vs Scias (Breath of Fire IV)- i
Rikku (Final Fantasy X)- iii vs Chie Satonaka (Persona 4)- iiiii
Momo (Breath of Fire III)- iii vs Lucian (Valkyrie Profile)- iiiiiii

Middle

Aht (Radiant Historia)- i vs Karsh (Chrono Cross)- iiiiii
Stocke (Radiant Historia)- iiiiii vs Regal Bryant (Tales of Symphonia)
Ayame (Suikoden III)- iiiiiii vs Lilianne Valendorf (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy)
Bartholomew Fatima (Xenogears) vs Tengaar (Suikoden Series)- iiiiiiiii

Light

Luke fon Fabre (Tales of the Abyss)- iiiiiiiiii vs Jelanda (Valkyrie Profile)
Nina (Suikoden II)- i vs Piccolo (Suikoden III)- iiiiiiii
Dancer (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Jet Enduro (Wild ARMs 3)- iiiiiiiiii
Cinnamon (Mega Man X: Command Mission)- iii vs Aguro (Lufia and the Fortress of Doom)- i