The RPG Duelling League
RPG Debate => Tournaments => Topic started by: Yoshiken on July 16, 2009, 02:43:31 AM
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Some very close matches in this pool, and close to a right-side sweep! But, whatever happens, Kain fails.
***Team Tournament***
Dragoons -[6:4]- Team Flying Traitors
Team Green nonhumans -[1:5]- Team Guy
Team Froglike -[0:7]- Team Headband
Doglike -[0:7]- The Other Kind of Yuri
***Singles Tournament***
Dragoons -v- Team Flying Traitors
- Freya Crescent -[0:7]- Kratos Aurion
- Karsh -[4:1]- Kain Highwind
- Kain Highwind -[1:6]- Jill Fizzart
Team Green nonhumans -v- Team Guy
- Meganium -[0:5]- Guy (FE7)
- Bowser Koopa -[5:0]- Guy Cecil (TotA)
- Raja -[0:3]- Guy (L2)
Team Froglike -v- Team Headband
- Jean -[3:0]- Cress Albane
- Frog -[1:2]- Max
- Malak Galthana -[2:4]- Locke Cole
Doglike -v- The Other Kind of Yuri
- Koromaru -[0:3]- Florina
- Blanca -[5:1]- Virginia Maxwell
- Kosanji -[0:4]- White Rose
Now, for the next contenders:
OblivionKnight - Team "Votesplit!" - Middle
- Lezard Valeth (VPs - Heavy/4.23)
- Melbu Frahma (LoD - Middle/3.94)
- Borgan (Lunar2 - Middle/3.76)
Ultradude - Team "Don't Ask Don't Tell" - Middle
- Kanji Tatsumi (Pers4 - Middle/3.71)
- Lavitz Slambert (LoD - Middle/3.65)
- Raven (FE7 - Middle/3.41)
Tide - Team My Chemical Romantic Dream - Middle
- Fujin (FF8 - Heavy/4.08)
- Seifer (FF8 - Middle/3.34)
- Raijin (FF8 - Middle/3.18)
CT - Team CT Bait - Middle
- Eiko Carol (FF9 - Middle/3.56)
- Yulie Ahtreide (WA4 - Middle/3.46)
- Peppita Rosetti (SO3 - Middle/2.89)
Lance - Team 01001001 01110010 01101111 01101110 - Middle
- Worker 8 (FFT - Heavy/4.40)
- Aigis (Pers3 - Middle/3.52)
- Gadget Z (S3 - Light/2.21)
OK - Team "Butt Monkey" - Middle
- Yosuke Hanamura (Pers4 - Heavy/3.87)
- Junpei (Pers3 - 3.24/Middle)
- Tink (Disgaea2 - 2.51/Light)
Magic Fanatic - Team Boom - Middle
- Jeff (EB - Heavy/3.73)
- Margarete Zelle (SH1 - Middle/3.04)
- Alfred Schrodinger (WA3 - Light/1.84)
DjinnAndTonic - Blonde-Haired Healing Archer-Princesses - Middle
- Marle (Nadia Guardia) (CT - Heavy/3.70)
- Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear (TotA - Middle/3.48)
- Flare (S4 - Middle/3.16)
And the matches~
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Team Boom -v- Team "Votesplit!"
Blonde-Haired Healing Archer-Princesses -v- Team 01001001 01110010 01101111 01101110
Team My Chemical Romantic Dream -v- Team "Don't Ask Don't Tell"
Team CT Bait -v- Team "Butt Monkey"
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Jeff -v- Lezard Valeth
Margarete Zelle -v- Melbu Frahma
Alfred Schrodinger -v- Borgan
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Marle (Nadia Guardia) -v- Worker 8
Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear -v- Aigis
Flare -v- Gadget Z
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Fujin -v- Kanji Tatsumi
Seifer -v- Lavitz Slambert
Raijin -v- Raven
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Eiko Carol -v- Yosuke Hanamura
Yulie Ahtreide -v- Junpei
Peppita Rosetti -v- Tink
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Team Boom -v- Team "Votesplit!" - *Facepalms.* They love EBO Borgan not being a pile of Meeplina.
Blonde-Haired Healing Archer-Princesses -v- Team 01001001 01110010 01101111 01101110 - I need to know if Natalia has revival outside the shitty autolife spell. This is what the match hinges on.
Team My Chemical Romantic Dream -v- Team "Don't Ask Don't Tell" - Raijin and Seifer suck. Fujin is sluggish and gets assaulted by everyone then it's mopping time.
Team CT Bait -v- Team "Butt Monkey" - Yosuke seriously needed better allies to make this work.
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Jeff -v- Lezard Valeth - IDs before dying. Jeff is... awful.
Margarete Zelle -v- Melbu Frahma - Fail less at slugging, Margarete.
Alfred Schrodinger -v- Borgan - Jesus christ.
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Marle (Nadia Guardia) -v- Worker 8 - Hey I've seen you before.
Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear -v- Aigis - Aigis IMMUNES NATALIA'S DAMAGE. This means she just can't lose.
Flare -v- Gadget Z - GADGET Z
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Fujin -v- Kanji Tatsumi - Faster first turn, HP-1.
Seifer -v- Lavitz Slambert - Seifer against physical tank with damage control? That's going well.
Raijin -v- Raven - Far better slugger.
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Eiko Carol -v- Yosuke Hanamura - Blah. Yosuke needs work against FF-style healers.
Yulie Ahtreide -v- Junpei - Junpei needs work against healers period.
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Team Boom -v- Team "Votesplit!" - Votesplit lives up to its name as Lezard casually solos to me.
Team My Chemical Romantic Dream -v- Team "Don't Ask Don't Tell"
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Jeff -v- Lezard Valeth
Alfred Schrodinger -v- Borgan
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Marle (Nadia Guardia) -v- Worker 8 - Provoke isn't magical, Worker 8 doesn't block confuse or OHKO, Haste->Heal. Takes forever but I think Marle has the resouces.
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Seifer -v- Lavitz Slambert
Raijin -v- Raven
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Team Boom -v- Team "Votesplit!"
Blonde-Haired Healing Archer-Princesses -v- Team 01001001 01110010 01101111 01101110- Gut check. Couldn't find anything that helpful for Natalia.
Team My Chemical Romantic Dream -v- Team "Don't Ask Don't Tell"
Team CT Bait -v- Team "Butt Monkey" - Junpei is weak to wind right? Two options here, Yulie with wind Material and Eiko with the wind version of Fenrir. That'll knock Junpei on his butt and keep him there until he's dead. Of course Yulie might not start on a wind hex and some people might not allow Maiden's Prayer. Hmmm.
Eiko can just Mini him though and he can't block all of Peppita's statuses either. Ideally Peppita would want to MT Panic the entire opposing team but they can probably all get Confuse blockers. That still leaves her with the evil SO3 freeze kill though (Frozen Daggers) She also has outright ID with Instanto Blast/Kaboom. Unlike counters/Magic Hook/Panic Dance/Frozen Daggers though the status hit rates for those suck ('cause irrc all SO3 enemies have 98% or higher ID resist >_>) and the ID probably wouldn't go off tilll later than Turn 4. She has Healing Dance though so she can chain healing > IB/Kaboom until then and that's compounded further here with Eiko/Yulie's support. With Junpei out of the way ... Three Middles vs a Light that's going to go over well. I don't know Yosuke but I'm assuming my team has the resources to handle a Heavy. They're not running out of MP ever with Magical Dance/MP Absorb. Looking at the stat topic Yosuke's main offense appears to be wind. Peppita can absorb that with Elven Cloak, irrc Eiko's Ribbon had wind protection and ahaha magic vs Yulie M DEF. There's the option of unlimited Holy for Eiko, Yulie has the freedom to play with materials ... as if my team wasn't already evil enough Faerie Friend is M/GT. Power Dance > Faerie Friend mwhahaha ^_^
Margarete Zelle -v- Melbu Frahma I don't remember Marg having healing.
Seifer -v- Lavitz Slambert- Rose Storm + LoD Defend
Rose Storm is waay too good for only 20 MP.
Eiko Carol -v- Yosuke Hanamura - From what I can gather Yosuke is mainly wind offense and I've confirmed for myself that Ribbon does absorb wind. It's a plot piece that Eiko recieves by default so yeah. Eiko can get clear headed to block Confuse too so ...
Yulie Ahtreide -v- Junpei - I'm assuming Yulie gets to a wind hex before he kills her >_>
Peppita Rosetti -v- Tink - Look it up later. Gut check is Middle vs ... Light ... though
Edit: Yeah from what I could find I'm not seeing anything that Tink can do here. Peppita has waay too many options for most to deal with.
Not Tinkerbell ;_;
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Team Boom -v- Team "Votesplit!"- Jeff is pretty pathetic if I'm remembering EB right. No one else on the team besides Margie has anything approaching damage soooooo yeah.
Blonde-Haired Healing Archer-Princesses -v- Team 01001001 01110010 01101111 01101110- Can't really blitz.
Team My Chemical Romantic Dream -v- Team "Don't Ask Don't Tell"- Depends if Raven one rounds Fujin. Abstain for now.
Team CT Bait -v- Team "Butt Monkey"- Abstain, too many elements here I don't know.
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Margarete Zelle -v- Melbu Frahma- Strong kneejerk.
Alfred Schrodinger -v- Borgan
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Marle (Nadia Guardia) -v- Worker 8
Flare -v- Gadget Z
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Fujin -v- Kanji Tatsumi- Sai.
Seifer -v- Lavitz Slambert- but fira spam
Raijin -v- Raven
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Eiko Carol -v- Yosuke Hanamura- Eiko can't really wall confuse.
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Edited my votes =/
Don't allow FF9 stat blockers super?
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FF9 statusblockers are rather questionable at legality. Attached to universal skills rather than equips, for starters. super not allowing them would hardly surprise me. I know I don't allow those myself.
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FF9 statusblockers are rather questionable at legality. Attached to universal skills rather than equips, for starters. super not allowing them would hardly surprise me. I know I don't allow those myself.
I allow them if they have the piece of equipment that teaches the ability to prevent the status (in this case, Clear Headed) equipped, since they will have that ability stone for grabs regardless, while others may not. For that, Eiko could equip a Lamia's Tiara, a Magic Armlet or a Green Beret. Everyone CAN learn them, but if you assume that nobody has actually 'mastered' those abilities, then only the equipee would really have the ability learned. I just thought I'd throw this out, as I do think this view of things seems reasonable.
Not to sound imposing or anything, just my thoughts. ;p
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It's not even that it's unreasonable, it's just that, honestly, I don't feel it's necessary to extend the exception opened by allowing storebought statusblockers any further. Let alone for a cast who already relies so much on equipment cheese like FF9 (they already make a mockery of elemental damage by and large as is. The PCs can cry me a river for not being fully status-immune to boot). And, if they have the equipment on them, it changes nothing from a basic standpoint: they still have to equip the skill, since the immunity isn't granted by the equipment - this distinction may feel quaint to some, but at least to me, it's essential. And when anyone -can- equip something that can give them the ability (the statusblocking equips are spread rather thoroughly around the cast), I don't feel inclined to give them any uniqueness nods.
Sometimes I wonder if I just couldn't ban storebought statusblockers period, because some of the extensions made for what was supposed to be an exception end up irking me even more than the inflation of crappy single-status wonders at a few points. I know that universal full statusblockers being massively inflated in the DL although they were borderline worthless in-game bugs the hell out of me (*EYES AtL2 and S3.*). I know you can complain about that in CT, but at least there the status immunity was a great boon -and- the lategame stretches were designed with it in mind.
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Point taken. ;p
I'll edit the matches into this post when I've looked more into 'em.
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Blonde-Haired Healing Archer-Princesses -v- Team 01001001 01110010 01101111 01101110
Team My Chemical Romantic Dream -v- Team "Don't Ask Don't Tell" - Think Fujin doesn't get a turn?
Team CT Bait -v- Team "Butt Monkey"
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Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear -v- Aigis
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Fujin -v- Kanji Tatsumi
Raijin -v- Raven
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Eiko Carol -v- Yosuke Hanamura
Yulie Ahtreide -v- Junpei
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Team Boom -v- Team "Votesplit!" - Votesplit. THIS TEAM IS NOT DOING WHAT I INTENDED IT TO. WHY IS IT WINNING EASILY!?
Blonde-Haired Healing Archer-Princesses -v- Team 01001001 01110010 01101111 01101110 - ...;_; Poor Bowgirls ;_;
Team My Chemical Romantic Dream -v- Team "Don't Ask Don't Tell" - Chemical Romantic Dream, easily.
Team CT Bait -v- Team "Butt Monkey" - CT Bait. Tink...if he were less sucky, they'd have a good shot >_>
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*nods @ everything Snow says* Fair enough, can't really disagree with you there, especially since full status blockers piss me off as well >_> Yeah I see why people don't allow the FF9 blockers now since it isn't coming directly from equipment but more from a skill system. I might start following that PoV myself since I do mostly try to stick to store bought stuff only for all that I can see what status whores certain duellers would become to some casts =/
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Oh, I'm unlikely to start disallowing the storebought blockers I already allow, in fairness. And there are casts that fail against competent status practically no matter what (HI, SHINING FORCES. HI, MODERN PERSONA), so. I just don't like extending an exception so far it turns into a complete rule and now shit like Yellow Scarves, which were only good to make Juan awesome in S3, or Cure Alls, which were good for absolutely nothing in AtL2 (how often are you getting statused there anyway?), suddenly become godly in a duel setting.
Not to mention that status blocking, even at its most useful, tends to be somewhat niche in-game, and the transition suddenly makes them the big choice for PC casts in a DL setting. It bugs me for some unfathomable reason, but I just shrug and move on with single statusblockers. Full statusblockers just get more annoying to me, especially given how I hate dummying out equipment (for an example, if FFT's ID blocker with Auto-Life actually let you Auto-Life in a duel, I'd ban it entirely instead of only allowing the ID, and I don't allow dummied Reflect Mails either, for all the good that would do them).
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Team Boom -v- Team "Votesplit!"
Blonde-Haired Healing Archer-Princesses -v- Team 01001001 01110010 01101111 01101110
Team My Chemical Romantic Dream -v- Team "Don't Ask Don't Tell"
Team CT Bait -v- Team "Butt Monkey"
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Jeff -v- Lezard Valeth
Margarete Zelle -v- Melbu Frahma
Alfred Schrodinger -v- Borgan
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Marle (Nadia Guardia) -v- Worker 8
Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear -v- Aigis
Flare -v- Gadget Z
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Fujin -v- Kanji Tatsumi
Seifer -v- Lavitz Slambert
Raijin -v- Raven
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Eiko Carol -v- Yosuke Hanamura
Yulie Ahtreide -v- Junpei
Peppita Rosetti -v- Tink
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This is your ~22 hour warning. Ends at midnight GMT. <3
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Team Boom -v- Team "Votesplit!"
Blonde-Haired Healing Archer-Princesses -v- Team 01001001 01110010 01101111 01101110
Team My Chemical Romantic Dream -v- Team "Don't Ask Don't Tell"
Team CT Bait -v- Team "Butt Monkey"
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Jeff -v- Lezard Valeth
Margarete Zelle -v- Melbu Frahma
Alfred Schrodinger -v- Borgan
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Marle (Nadia Guardia) -v- Worker 8
Natalia Luzu Kimlasca-Lanvaldear -v- Aigis
Flare -v- Gadget Z
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Fujin -v- Kanji Tatsumi
Seifer -v- Lavitz Slambert
Raijin -v- Raven
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Eiko Carol -v- Yosuke Hanamura
Yulie Ahtreide -v- Junpei
Peppita Rosetti -v- Tink