The RPG Duelling League
RPG Debate => Tournaments => Topic started by: Cmdr_King on January 06, 2025, 03:59:52 PM
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Godlike
Reicher Wallace (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) vs Myria (Breath of Fire III)
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) vs T260G (SaGa Frontier)
Heavy
Throné (Octopath Traveler II) vs Myuria Tionysus (Star Ocean: The Last Hope)
Sienna (Chained Echoes) vs Strawman (Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road)
Middle
Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky FC) vs Red Mage (Final Fantasy V)
Chrom (Fire Emblem Awakening) vs Merrin (Fire Emblem Engage)
Light
Cecil Harvey (Final Fantasy IV) vs Elemancer Warlock (Etrian Odyssey V: Beyond the Myth)
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
I'll be going through the various votes for the tourney so far, games posts, what is easily searchable on Discord, and so on to try and get as up to date of ranking data as possible.
At the moment we're for sure putting Dragon Quest XI up for ranking. Unicorn Overlord might make the cut, depending on what all I can find... otherwise I'll need to check the numbers on some slightly older games that featured a bit in this tourney, they might have gained a player or two.
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Godlike
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) vs T260G (SaGa Frontier) - I dunno, maybe if FF7 ATB didn't work the way it did I'd agree that Sephiroth was faster but he does actually need to be. Also he's only ~1.05 PCHP to me? Even if Magnify isn't a OHKO it wouldn't matter.
Heavy
nope
Middle
Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky FC) vs Red Mage (Final Fantasy V) - S-Breaks are many things but they can't be called true initiative, RM goes first and turns Estelle into a toad.
Chrom (Fire Emblem Awakening) vs Merrin (Fire Emblem Engage) - Sure.
Light
Cecil Harvey (Final Fantasy IV) vs Elemancer Warlock (Etrian Odyssey V: Beyond the Myth) - Surely.
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) - Surely.
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Godlike
Reicher Wallace (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) vs Myria (Breath of Fire III)
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) vs T260G (SaGa Frontier) - T260G blocks a lot and can slug well. You know what she doesn't block? Transform.
Heavy
Throné (Octopath Traveler II) vs Myuria Tionysus (Star Ocean: The Last Hope) - My personal kneejerk considering Throne needs to build up steam, OT can't do shit about magic if it isn't Reflect, and Freeze isn't blockable by OT. If Throne can in fact blitz before she gets freeze-executed I'll definitely change this.
Sienna (Chained Echoes) vs Strawman (Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) - thank you fiat for erasing my mistake. next competition i need to actually bounce my noms off of other people rather than just throw them out last minute.
Middle
Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky FC) vs Red Mage (Final Fantasy V) - is this the division of frog?
Chrom (Fire Emblem Awakening) vs Merrin (Fire Emblem Engage)
Light
Cecil Harvey (Final Fantasy IV) vs Elemancer Warlock (Etrian Odyssey V: Beyond the Myth) - I swear I remember Cecil rating higher than Light.
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
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Godlike
Reicher Wallace (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) vs Myria (Breath of Fire III) - Kneejerk durability respect
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) vs T260G (SaGa Frontier)
Heavy
Throné (Octopath Traveler II) vs Myuria Tionysus (Star Ocean: The Last Hope) - Freeze doing its thing
Sienna (Chained Echoes) vs Strawman (Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) - Oh wow, this is a fight, uhhh…
Middle
Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky FC) vs Red Mage (Final Fantasy V)
Chrom (Fire Emblem Awakening) vs Merrin (Fire Emblem Engage) - Kneejerk she outspeeds and has 1-2 range
Light
Cecil Harvey (Final Fantasy IV) vs Elemancer Warlock (Etrian Odyssey V: Beyond the Myth)
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
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Middle
Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky FC) vs Red Mage (Final Fantasy V)
Trails doesn't really have a Frog analogue, nah.
Chrom (Fire Emblem Awakening) vs Merrin (Fire Emblem Engage)
Checking, Chrom needed to be a little tankier, Merrin still 4HKOs fine (26+28 damage = ~1.15 PCHP). That gives Chrom just a Javelin counter and a single Brave Sword flurry.
Light
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
I'd probably let TO range games ignore counters, crossbows could have pretty crazy comparative range in that game.
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Godlike
Reicher Wallace (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) vs Myria (Breath of Fire III)
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) vs T260G (SaGa Frontier)
Heavy
Throné (Octopath Traveler II) vs Myuria Tionysus (Star Ocean: The Last Hope)
Sienna (Chained Echoes) vs Strawman (Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road)
Middle
Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky FC) vs Red Mage (Final Fantasy V) - I'm lenient on quartz, so easy enough for Estelle to be faster and bonk.
Chrom (Fire Emblem Awakening) vs Merrin (Fire Emblem Engage)
Light
Cecil Harvey (Final Fantasy IV) vs Elemancer Warlock (Etrian Odyssey V: Beyond the Myth)
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
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Reicher, Canopus
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Godlike
Reicher Wallace (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) vs Myria (Breath of Fire III): Myria probably kills in roughly 6 hits, and she's just shy of a 6-5 so that's five Reicher turns, plus a bunch of timed cards. Reicher should be able to do around 7PCHP damage in that time, which is enough.
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) vs T260G (SaGa Frontier): A bit surprised to be the first vote this way, since gravity is something T2 fears. Sephiroth is faster, and wins with Fly -> Super Nova -> Break. So T2 gets two turns, and the best she can do with them is Hyper Blaster + Magnify which is around 1.3 PC. I definitely see Sephiroth as higher than that. Actually, it's probably even worse, Sephiroth can just open with Wall and tank V-MAX + two Cosmic Raves which is only 1.12 PCHP (assuming T2 can get away with a power-over-speed setup and not eat a double in there, which is not a given).
Heavy
Throné (Octopath Traveler II) vs Myuria Tionysus (Star Ocean: The Last Hope): Throne has pretty good turn 1 damage for an Octopath character, but thar's damning with faint praise, and Myuria wins when she gets a turn since she isn't trying to use physicals.
Sienna (Chained Echoes) vs Strawman (Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road): Presumably instant death spam does its thing.
Middle
Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky FC) vs Red Mage (Final Fantasy V): Doublecasting Toad is always a little risky because two hits is the same as a miss, but Toad + something else (Sleep? Mini? Not sure on Estelle's blocker situation) should be enough.
Chrom (Fire Emblem Awakening) vs Merrin (Fire Emblem Engage): Mostly just copying Snowfire math here.
Light
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together): Yeah sure, even the Baldur Bow could usually outrange spells iirc, so I'm down for hyping Canopus's range. Canopus honestly might win even without this, since he 2HKOs and Lucius only 3HKOs.
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Reicher Wallace (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) vs Myria (Breath of Fire III) - Myria indeed has a huge durability and speed lead, but her damage is just not what it takes to surmount Reicher's increasingly monstrous timed sphere offense. By his second turn, he can start pumping out over 2x PC HP per turn and that's just waaaaaaayyy to much for Myria to handle with low 2HKO at best plinks.
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) vs T260G (SaGa Frontier) - I don't see Sephiroth as slower than T2, which is very much needed for her to win. T2 just can't shave off 3x PC HP (Sephy's effective durability post-Wall) within two turns.
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) - Yeah, Canopus goes first and 2HKOs, I really don't see how Lucius surmounts this even if you see him getting counters.
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Godlike
Reicher Wallace (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) vs Myria (Breath of Fire III)
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) vs T260G (SaGa Frontier)
Heavy
Throné (Octopath Traveler II) vs Myuria Tionysus (Star Ocean: The Last Hope)- No vote
Sienna (Chained Echoes) vs Strawman (Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road)- No vote
Middle
Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky FC) vs Red Mage (Final Fantasy V)- I'm never 100% if I go with 100 starting CP or 50, but yeah, I suppose that it's basically impossible to actually S-Break before the first enemy acts on turn 1 if they're faster huh.
Chrom (Fire Emblem Awakening) vs Merrin (Fire Emblem Engage)
Light
Cecil Harvey (Final Fantasy IV) vs Elemancer Warlock (Etrian Odyssey V: Beyond the Myth)- No vote
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)- No vote
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Godlike
Reicher Wallace (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) vs Myria (Breath of Fire III)
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) vs T260G (SaGa Frontier)
Heavy
Throné (Octopath Traveler II) vs Myuria Tionysus (Star Ocean: The Last Hope)
Sienna (Chained Echoes) vs Strawman (Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road): Can't OHKO.
Middle
Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky FC) vs Red Mage (Final Fantasy V)
Chrom (Fire Emblem Awakening) vs Merrin (Fire Emblem Engage)
Light
Cecil Harvey (Final Fantasy IV) vs Elemancer Warlock (Etrian Odyssey V: Beyond the Myth)
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
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Godlike
Reicher Wallace (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) vs Myria (Breath of Fire III)
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) vs T260G (SaGa Frontier)
Heavy
Throné (Octopath Traveler II) vs Myuria Tionysus (Star Ocean: The Last Hope)
Sienna (Chained Echoes) vs Strawman (Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road)
Middle
Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky FC) vs Red Mage (Final Fantasy V)
Chrom (Fire Emblem Awakening) vs Merrin (Fire Emblem Engage)
Light
Cecil Harvey (Final Fantasy IV) vs Elemancer Warlock (Etrian Odyssey V: Beyond the Myth)
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
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Godlike
Reicher Wallace (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) vs Myria (Breath of Fire III) - I'll buy elfmath, sure
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) vs T260G (SaGa Frontier) - Yeah, Wall absolutely clenches this.
Heavy
Throné (Octopath Traveler II) vs Myuria Tionysus (Star Ocean: The Last Hope)
Sienna (Chained Echoes) vs Strawman (Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road)
Middle
Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky FC) vs Red Mage (Final Fantasy V)
Chrom (Fire Emblem Awakening) vs Merrin (Fire Emblem Engage) - FE vs FE continues to be very easy to figure out
Light
Cecil Harvey (Final Fantasy IV) vs Elemancer Warlock (Etrian Odyssey V: Beyond the Myth) - Cecil can surely tank through the offense enough to secure the win
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) - This is simple enough
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Godlike
Reicher Wallace (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy)- iiiiii vs Myria (Breath of Fire III)- ii
Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII)- iiiiiii vs T260G (SaGa Frontier)- iii
Heavy
Throné (Octopath Traveler II) vs Myuria Tionysus (Star Ocean: The Last Hope)- iiii
Sienna (Chained Echoes) vs Strawman (Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road)- ii
Middle
Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky FC)- i vs Red Mage (Final Fantasy V)- iiiii
Chrom (Fire Emblem Awakening) vs Merrin (Fire Emblem Engage)- iiiiiii
Light
Cecil Harvey (Final Fantasy IV)- iii vs Elemancer Warlock (Etrian Odyssey V: Beyond the Myth)
Lucius (Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade) vs Canopus Wolph (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)- iiiiiiiii