Everything Alex just said has made me more suspicious of him than either of his so-called lurkers.
I disagree that they even qualify for the term. They may not be amongst the most frequent of posters, but they've definately been here; Hal racked up quite a few during the earlier debates around Tai and QR at the start of this day. I find it ludicrous to accuse him of lurking despite the way he's said posting is not a priority (which admittedly did not win points), 'cos like it or not, he HAS been posting and quite frequently just now. I'm not going to fault him when he is, y'know, participating. He's also been quick to answer questions when I've thrown them at him, which is good.
The way you attacked Otter just now also seems pretty, er, stupid. You're hitting him for going after an obvious case? Or because that's all he went after? Obvious cases are, in fact, *worth persuing* and it seems dumb to fault him here. Again, a quick look at his record indicates he has participated in the recent discussion. Whence do these lurker claims come? I don't like the way he seems to vanish (especially when I see him running around in IRC), but a case towards him saying that he's lurking is pretty weak at this point.
No, I don't think either of these guys are good ideas for a vigkill, and I think you've exaggerated their lurkerish qualities way too much. There are better lurker cases to make. The one that stands out to *me* is Ciato, who has not really posted anything substantial since QR and Tai got up in each others stuff, or, y'know, all day. If we're going after lurkers, let's go for someone who is actually lurking. Nitori, as well, has only really weighed in with one post here-
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=329.msg5276#msg5276 which is kind of jabbing at QR but not really substantial.
With regards to QR/Tai, you've considered that yes, it's possible that both of them are lying (I actually can't see this myself, care to explain how this might come about?), and that the simplest excuse is that *one* of them are lying. I don't find the whole breadcrumb thing compelling and feel that QR has made several slips, *especially* that hasty and early vote for Andrew. I also disagree with you that she should have roleclaimed, as I've covered before; I don't feel she'd be under nearly so much pressure here had she defended herself normally. (Granted, I don't know where else that pressure would've *gone*, so I could swallow this.) I think we disagree about an awful lot, especially how willing you are to buy into the probabilities of odd role shenanigans going on; yeah, stuff like Andrew implies that we could well have some strange stuff out there, but we *can't possibly guess at what's really going on*. Scum copclaims are not uncommon. This is not an unlikely trap that QR could have fallen into.
The case against Tai was significantly weaker in my eyes until you said this, actually-
"If Tai is scum godfather, what do scum gain from this?"
We misvig a cop - making it three times in a row we've failed to kill scum - and then maybe decide to lynch Tai. From El Cid's post: "I sure as hell don't think we should turn around and lynch him immediately if QR turns up Town." And he's not entirely wrong in saying that, we wouldn't kneejerk lynch. In that position scum are pretty far ahead, and with a cop being killed, godfather loses some usefulness. Assuming Scum Tai and Town QR, I could indeed see scum taking that route, thinking this way.
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Basically I think your other ideas for viging are crud and what we've got going here is way, way more likely to get us some positive results, one way or the other.
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I am also taking a dim eye to Smodge's willingness to simply follow you blindly. (Re: Smodge: Scum have the power to KILL US and it's worked out pretty well for them so far. Your role speculation is, of course, completely pointless and potentially dangerous... although I didn't really read it as a real attempt to move discussion there. Still, let's not talk about what scum may or may not have like that.)
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