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Forum Games / Re: VALIANT HERO Mafia! [Day Two]
« on: February 17, 2010, 03:16:02 AM »
Almaz bullet point 2:
the only real debate and conversation started when kirk/smax found the syntax suspicious (and note that neither caught the trainaspect - the first comment that there was -any- train was Gordon himself pg. 1 here in which he said, again, that it was odd but being uncertain what to make of it). also note that he mentioned the claim of being a jokevote because Batmanuel himself said so here: doink. to put Gordon's statement out so that this may be observed:
&&& in other words he was questioning Batmanuel's claim of it being a jokevote, as it was ambiguous due to the train aspect, while saying that he understood what Batmanuel's commentary was meant to say. this just seems like a case of being uncertain what to make of Batmanuel, frankly. referencing these in your followup post seems out of whack, as in context his abstainment on Batmanuel's case seems to make a fair amount of sense.
iow the prinny train eluded a lot of people and i can't see attempting to hold that against solely gordon, and the weirdness of his phrasing seems somewhat exaggerated on your part. the existence of the prinny-established train, indeed, took a lot of people a while to catch onto. note to self: look into who first pointed this out, though it may actually have been you, Almaz. hum.
also, re: your second bulletpoint, Almaz:
Almaz bullet point 3:
a few points to make. you refer to this post here, i believe, as well as one further down the page:here.
&&& your first two quoted segments: pointing out the prinny train. which you didn't point out when you voted for him, but which he had been talking about the counterpart of (the Batmanuel train) for a bit. his response? "oh hey I didn't realize CP was at three first". which, as stated above, a lot of people missed... which doesn't clear him, but makes it difficult to hold against him - Kirk/Smax were the first to vote Batmanuel, Gordon was the first to notice/point out oh hey Batmanuel started the train, which might have been noticed over CPtrain because oh, hey, the attention was on Batmanuel.
re: ignoring your pressure, though, the second half did go uncommented on - but the brunt of your argument seemed aimed toward "there was another train!" which he commented on. the rest of it, i've already made my notes for.
tl;dr: you tossed suspicion on Middleman and Tick, but voted Gordon, and this aggravated my suspicion of you; you seem to have overblown some of Gordon's lines to make the case, which didn't quite sit well with me.
considering as how I feel the Gordon case was not well founded at the time, i still feel justified in my vote toward you for now (now, someone could reference the goddamn end of D1 and i'd at least have sympathy for the case, but the rest of D1 does not feel shaky to me and that is currently the brunt of your argument).
i realize the immensity of what i reference, Almaz, but if i could request you indulgence in one last answering to these commentaries i'd appreciate it. this is pretty much the only time i'll pull up all the relevant D1 Gordon/Almaz references like this as doing this allows me to just refer to this post.
for your sake i'll provide bullet points; if anyone attempts to tell me this is "padding" i'll bite their head off as Almaz providing bullet points aided in this post's construction greatly and courtesy demands i do the same.
-- The initial Gordon vote post referenced Middleman and Tick but did not make it clear why Gordon was voted over either of those other than , and multiple of the reasons were only provided afterwards (granted, the cheerleading/pressure on you was done immediately after your vote, but the data on the CP train was around the entire time)
-- Gordon lines feel like they were taken out of context in the attempt to build this case, regarding Batmanuel commentary.
-- You use the CP-train against him when this seems like a null tell at best.
Quote from: Almaz
- He made a weird comment about Batmanuel being suspicious for beginning a train but declaring it a jokevote. Even though the Prinny (now a confirmed scum) did so first, but somehow this eluded Gordon completely. Despite his suspicions of Batmanuel pre-my-vote were based on the third-on-the-wheel business.
the only real debate and conversation started when kirk/smax found the syntax suspicious (and note that neither caught the trainaspect - the first comment that there was -any- train was Gordon himself pg. 1 here in which he said, again, that it was odd but being uncertain what to make of it). also note that he mentioned the claim of being a jokevote because Batmanuel himself said so here: doink. to put Gordon's statement out so that this may be observed:
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Maybe it's because I don't posess the IQ of my sidekick Jennifer, but I understood Manuel's intention with ease. What concerned me was that it was the third vote on Axel, and the closest we had come to a proper wagon - claiming now that it was a jokevote is making me somewhat uncertain.
&&& in other words he was questioning Batmanuel's claim of it being a jokevote, as it was ambiguous due to the train aspect, while saying that he understood what Batmanuel's commentary was meant to say. this just seems like a case of being uncertain what to make of Batmanuel, frankly. referencing these in your followup post seems out of whack, as in context his abstainment on Batmanuel's case seems to make a fair amount of sense.
iow the prinny train eluded a lot of people and i can't see attempting to hold that against solely gordon, and the weirdness of his phrasing seems somewhat exaggerated on your part. the existence of the prinny-established train, indeed, took a lot of people a while to catch onto. note to self: look into who first pointed this out, though it may actually have been you, Almaz. hum.
also, re: your second bulletpoint, Almaz:
Quote from: Almaz
Despite his suspicions of Batmanuel pre-my-vote were based on the third-on-the-wheel business.my apologies, but i fail to parse this in a coherent fashion. elaborate?
Almaz bullet point 3:
Quote from: Almaz
- Ignores my further attempts to press him about his mention of "holding back on the bat". I still don't know what this is supposed to mean! It seems like a veiled excuse to jump back on Batmanuel later by 'having had suspicions of him all along'!
Of course I remain adamant in voting him at that point because he was ignoring me. Not even an acknowledging of my pressing on him or anything!
a few points to make. you refer to this post here, i believe, as well as one further down the page:here.
&&& your first two quoted segments: pointing out the prinny train. which you didn't point out when you voted for him, but which he had been talking about the counterpart of (the Batmanuel train) for a bit. his response? "oh hey I didn't realize CP was at three first". which, as stated above, a lot of people missed... which doesn't clear him, but makes it difficult to hold against him - Kirk/Smax were the first to vote Batmanuel, Gordon was the first to notice/point out oh hey Batmanuel started the train, which might have been noticed over CPtrain because oh, hey, the attention was on Batmanuel.
re: ignoring your pressure, though, the second half did go uncommented on - but the brunt of your argument seemed aimed toward "there was another train!" which he commented on. the rest of it, i've already made my notes for.
tl;dr: you tossed suspicion on Middleman and Tick, but voted Gordon, and this aggravated my suspicion of you; you seem to have overblown some of Gordon's lines to make the case, which didn't quite sit well with me.
considering as how I feel the Gordon case was not well founded at the time, i still feel justified in my vote toward you for now (now, someone could reference the goddamn end of D1 and i'd at least have sympathy for the case, but the rest of D1 does not feel shaky to me and that is currently the brunt of your argument).
i realize the immensity of what i reference, Almaz, but if i could request you indulgence in one last answering to these commentaries i'd appreciate it. this is pretty much the only time i'll pull up all the relevant D1 Gordon/Almaz references like this as doing this allows me to just refer to this post.
for your sake i'll provide bullet points; if anyone attempts to tell me this is "padding" i'll bite their head off as Almaz providing bullet points aided in this post's construction greatly and courtesy demands i do the same.
-- The initial Gordon vote post referenced Middleman and Tick but did not make it clear why Gordon was voted over either of those other than , and multiple of the reasons were only provided afterwards (granted, the cheerleading/pressure on you was done immediately after your vote, but the data on the CP train was around the entire time)
-- Gordon lines feel like they were taken out of context in the attempt to build this case, regarding Batmanuel commentary.
-- You use the CP-train against him when this seems like a null tell at best.