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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 8 (Bardikin)
« on: October 11, 2010, 02:03:37 AM »
I would like to spontaneously forfeit this game. Just not doing it for me.
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 8 (Bardikin)
« on: October 04, 2010, 02:29:07 AM »
Dislike rules like this, have trouble articulating why. If people aren't going to play the game in the first place I don't think incentives like this will actually work. On the principal of the thing I also believe this is something we should be doing anyway without them. It bugs me too much to vote for.
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 8 (Bardikin)
« on: October 03, 2010, 04:26:03 AM »
Ha!
Ha ha, ha!
No.
(the solution is for people to engage in the game more, not bring in new people who didn't care enough to join when it started.)
Ha ha, ha!
No.
(the solution is for people to engage in the game more, not bring in new people who didn't care enough to join when it started.)
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Forum Games / Re: Wild ARMs 4 Mafia - Brionac Strikes Again!
« on: October 02, 2010, 02:08:07 AM »
I need to drop out, alas.
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 6 (1, 2, 6, 24, 120...)
« on: October 01, 2010, 04:07:47 AM »
You gotta clarify the percentages, yo. I also see we can now duel infinitely?
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 6 (1, 2, 6, 24, 120...)
« on: September 29, 2010, 04:06:51 PM »
I sort of object to the presentation of the text. The new rule seems.. messy, for want of a better word. It seems so complex that using it would be a daunting task, and I had to read it a few times to get it.
For instance, if you can only use legislative manuever or this thing, it might be better to assign a neutral term to the charges used for actions, here.
Can you specify if the percentages round up or down or something, or will we wind up with like 13.5 points? I don't want that, personally. Same for other fractions. We must define how they're implemented properly.
I also think defenders should beat attackers on ties, and that you should only gain or lose one point of a stat after any conflict, regardless of the difference between scores.
I like the concept of the rule enough, though.
For instance, if you can only use legislative manuever or this thing, it might be better to assign a neutral term to the charges used for actions, here.
Can you specify if the percentages round up or down or something, or will we wind up with like 13.5 points? I don't want that, personally. Same for other fractions. We must define how they're implemented properly.
I also think defenders should beat attackers on ties, and that you should only gain or lose one point of a stat after any conflict, regardless of the difference between scores.
I like the concept of the rule enough, though.
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Forum Games / Re: Wild ARMs 4 Mafia - Brionac Strikes Again!
« on: September 28, 2010, 11:35:18 AM »
I'll play, I don't care who I am
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 6 (1, 2, 6, 24, 120...)
« on: September 25, 2010, 11:53:47 AM »
I won't vote for a percentage based system, regardless of other details. People behind on points already have a 'rebound' mechanism- they can get laws passed in the first place. I don't seriously think anyone is going to win on points, not when other people can pass arbitrary laws that make them lose all of them when they're close to winning, so I prefer to see them as flat currency that can be spent on other actions.
Excal does raise an interesting point though. Personally I don't think there's a 'stockpiling' threat, since everyone will be trying to do it and you don't expend resources to use your abilities, really. But on reflection I'm fine with them being either permanent or temporary.
Excal does raise an interesting point though. Personally I don't think there's a 'stockpiling' threat, since everyone will be trying to do it and you don't expend resources to use your abilities, really. But on reflection I'm fine with them being either permanent or temporary.
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 6 (1, 2, 6, 24, 120...)
« on: September 25, 2010, 02:50:44 AM »
I don't like the use of percentages to fuel extra draws, at least in conjunction with the reset option, and it brings up all kinds of weird rounding issues...
Can we get a flat scale that also prevents people from taking extra draws if they're low on points?
Can we get a flat scale that also prevents people from taking extra draws if they're low on points?
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 6 (1, 2, 6, 24, 120...)
« on: September 24, 2010, 03:02:59 AM »
I'm fine with permanent changes, actually, and think that would make the game more intense.
BUT
There should be a limit to the number of cards you can draw on your turn, too, whether enforced by an absolute limit or by charging points for draws (if there's no upper limit I'm fine with every draw costing points, really.)
BUT
There should be a limit to the number of cards you can draw on your turn, too, whether enforced by an absolute limit or by charging points for draws (if there's no upper limit I'm fine with every draw costing points, really.)
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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Game Over
« on: September 23, 2010, 06:26:00 PM »
I dunno.
Scum night actions don't really do anything but stop town night actions coming out of nowhere to win the game for town, so stuff like roleblock/rolecop rarely seems excessive to me. The real danger roles are things like godfather/framer/busdriver/stuff like that, things that turn town night actions into double-edged swords.
Scum night actions don't really do anything but stop town night actions coming out of nowhere to win the game for town, so stuff like roleblock/rolecop rarely seems excessive to me. The real danger roles are things like godfather/framer/busdriver/stuff like that, things that turn town night actions into double-edged swords.
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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Game Over
« on: September 23, 2010, 01:09:47 PM »
Eh.
I doubt I'd have been that confident if I was town.
But I'd probably have gone for the same lynches in the end. Holy shit how do you play with lurkers like that, it's just impossible...
I doubt I'd have been that confident if I was town.
But I'd probably have gone for the same lynches in the end. Holy shit how do you play with lurkers like that, it's just impossible...
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 6 (1, 2, 6, 24, 120...)
« on: September 23, 2010, 12:13:34 PM »
You aren't strictly reading the rules there, you're simply having it imply that only one *other* player can energize you whilst still permitting you to energize yourself. However the sentence can also be taken as an absolute list of people who can energize you as well as a restriction on the number.
Furthermore, the sentence can legitimately be read to have two aspects; it could mean both 'only another player can energize you' and 'you can only be energized by one player'. You can say it only implies one or the other, but if we're doing the 'strict reading' thing you must then abide by both restrictions.
Furthermore, the sentence can legitimately be read to have two aspects; it could mean both 'only another player can energize you' and 'you can only be energized by one player'. You can say it only implies one or the other, but if we're doing the 'strict reading' thing you must then abide by both restrictions.
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 6 (1, 2, 6, 24, 120...)
« on: September 23, 2010, 11:07:26 AM »
Basically, Energize is supposed to require someone else to 'power you up'. The rule was intended to only allow 'other' players to do it,
This is in contrast to Protect, but whereas Protect only provides you with a defensive advantage, Energize can be used to make you stronger at influencing others. (It should also be noted that people can't refuse being energized and thus someone with Spirit 1 could energize someone and stop them from getting powered up by someone else.)
I quoted the line in question, it is somewhat ambiguous and was not clearly stated- the rule could probably use an amendment.
This is in contrast to Protect, but whereas Protect only provides you with a defensive advantage, Energize can be used to make you stronger at influencing others. (It should also be noted that people can't refuse being energized and thus someone with Spirit 1 could energize someone and stop them from getting powered up by someone else.)
I quoted the line in question, it is somewhat ambiguous and was not clearly stated- the rule could probably use an amendment.
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 6 (1, 2, 6, 24, 120...)
« on: September 23, 2010, 03:31:14 AM »
If it's ambiguous that calls for JUDGEMENT!
Who is the judge in this situation? I'm forced to call for it now, but the rule itself would have come into question on Tonfa's turn...
Who is the judge in this situation? I'm forced to call for it now, but the rule itself would have come into question on Tonfa's turn...
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 6 (1, 2, 6, 24, 120...)
« on: September 23, 2010, 03:05:15 AM »
HEY WAIT
You can't energize yourself.
Um also where was the voting phase? I wanted to vote and stuff, but I guess announcements aren't necessary...
Anyway I think it might be better to assign random generation stuff to dice rather than cards, since those are more readily available. Also, we should clarify when exactly the deck can be drawn from; is it done during the proposal phase, and resolved before any actions you take? That sort of thing.
You can't energize yourself.
Quote
A player can only be Energized by one other player at a time.
Um also where was the voting phase? I wanted to vote and stuff, but I guess announcements aren't necessary...
Anyway I think it might be better to assign random generation stuff to dice rather than cards, since those are more readily available. Also, we should clarify when exactly the deck can be drawn from; is it done during the proposal phase, and resolved before any actions you take? That sort of thing.
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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Day 4
« on: September 23, 2010, 03:03:56 AM »
Helga's been riding me for trying to LAL since day 3, which has been entirely unjustified; it is, I think, one of the strongest methods of scumhunting, there is usually very little reason to not do it. That she was willing to leap on me right after the Leia lynch for this kinda implies to me now that she knows it's going to fail, and thus is trying to build cred by attacking it's evangelists rather than contemplate it herself. That she DID vote Leia also implies she has no real problem with it as a method and is willing to use it for convenience, too.
Also
Are you seriously contesting that she posted anything remotely worthwhile?
As for being wrong, it kinda happens sometimes. Still think it's the best option available in games like this, would still do it again in similar circumstances. Other suspicious circumstances aside, going 'it is CLEARLY scummy to LAL in a game where lurkers are scum!' ignores that town totally doesn't know that, and that any quality town is going to crack down on it, and that most of the time all scum would need to do is sit back, watch, and build cred on either tagging on later or attacking it's proponents.
No issue casting this now as just about everyone seems in agreement.
##Vote: Helga
Also
Quote from: Helga
Leia in Day 2. Leia RETURNS "Pffft. Active lurker"
Are you seriously contesting that she posted anything remotely worthwhile?
As for being wrong, it kinda happens sometimes. Still think it's the best option available in games like this, would still do it again in similar circumstances. Other suspicious circumstances aside, going 'it is CLEARLY scummy to LAL in a game where lurkers are scum!' ignores that town totally doesn't know that, and that any quality town is going to crack down on it, and that most of the time all scum would need to do is sit back, watch, and build cred on either tagging on later or attacking it's proponents.
No issue casting this now as just about everyone seems in agreement.
##Vote: Helga
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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Day 4
« on: September 22, 2010, 11:53:25 AM »
Helga- agreed on best bet for scum. Her case on me yesterday was based on my case on Leia the day before, and really her whole spiel on it seemed somewhat hypocritical; everything I said was related to Leia's position as a lurker and her nitpicking over my presentation of that seems like as much an attempt to distance herself from the case by pushing the responsibility onto me. In general she has not shown herself much and when she does show up she tends to skirt around providing her own content; see day 2 ('you guys should watch Mai!'), day 3 (retreading Maya's faulty ground)...
Tron I think at this point is pretty damn townie. I didn't get the case on her from Maya at all, and can't actually put it down to anything but a townie being very stubborn. When it came to laying out cases on Leia and Rin it was also clear she was actually going through it, as seen in her replies when questioned.
Li and Tanaka are where it gets hazy. Overall my impression is that Li's been around more than Tanaka, and his style seems to be one of 'virulent rage' which does usually seem a bit more honest to me. Don't like how he was on me at the end of day 2; I was kinda wondering if he was allied with one lurker or the other and trying to push LAL-style lynches elsewhere, but that's kinda moot now. I'm pretty sure she had more complaints listed against me than how I derided the so-called RL circumstances though, that seems rather forgetful.
Tanaka I'm only rereading now because I seriously had no idea either way. Logic/content wise, I don't like his list yesterday where he rates Tron alongside Helga, she was essentially forced to reply to Maya and calling her too defensive there doesn't sit right with me at that stage of the game, especially since I kinda agree Maya was being ridiculously stubborn then. I also have this feel that he's been rather theatric in his rantings on the state of the game, particularly when talking about how he doesn't know what to do, don't like trying to quantify scumminess on some arbitrary rating thing.
So at the moment I'm pretty much for Helga, and on the fence as far as Li and Tanaka go. I think I like Li slightly more mostly on the basis of presence and a generally honest feeling from him (it's not like I haven't seen townie rage like that before, so). Tanaka's theatrics, on the other hand, are more woe-is-us oriented rather than dammit-where-are-you-scum oriented.
Tron I think at this point is pretty damn townie. I didn't get the case on her from Maya at all, and can't actually put it down to anything but a townie being very stubborn. When it came to laying out cases on Leia and Rin it was also clear she was actually going through it, as seen in her replies when questioned.
Li and Tanaka are where it gets hazy. Overall my impression is that Li's been around more than Tanaka, and his style seems to be one of 'virulent rage' which does usually seem a bit more honest to me. Don't like how he was on me at the end of day 2; I was kinda wondering if he was allied with one lurker or the other and trying to push LAL-style lynches elsewhere, but that's kinda moot now. I'm pretty sure she had more complaints listed against me than how I derided the so-called RL circumstances though, that seems rather forgetful.
Tanaka I'm only rereading now because I seriously had no idea either way. Logic/content wise, I don't like his list yesterday where he rates Tron alongside Helga, she was essentially forced to reply to Maya and calling her too defensive there doesn't sit right with me at that stage of the game, especially since I kinda agree Maya was being ridiculously stubborn then. I also have this feel that he's been rather theatric in his rantings on the state of the game, particularly when talking about how he doesn't know what to do, don't like trying to quantify scumminess on some arbitrary rating thing.
So at the moment I'm pretty much for Helga, and on the fence as far as Li and Tanaka go. I think I like Li slightly more mostly on the basis of presence and a generally honest feeling from him (it's not like I haven't seen townie rage like that before, so). Tanaka's theatrics, on the other hand, are more woe-is-us oriented rather than dammit-where-are-you-scum oriented.
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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Day 3
« on: September 21, 2010, 03:06:46 AM »
Yeah I'm not too interested in just letting the day drag out or having modkills happen, both on principal and er they could just lead to us outright losing. I'd rather just lynch her and be done with it, and I can see no point to not just doing it right now, it is clear nobody is arguing against it or seriously for any other case today. Except Helga on me, yeah I think we can disregard that one.
##Vote: Rin
##Vote: Rin
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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Day 3
« on: September 20, 2010, 05:52:06 AM »
Will vote for Rin later barring shocking revelations. Don't even need to really think about this, and it's all been said anyway.
I gotta agree with Margaret on the weirdness of Tanaka tying Tron and Rin together though. I didn't even really understand Maya's case on Tron at all in the first place, and I did try, not sure what it is presently. Worst I can say about her right now is that she's kinda defensive, and it's hard not to roll my eyes at that being enough to go after her.
Also, I have no idea how Rin could really be linked to anyone, either. She just hasn't done enough, and while I can get behind looking at scumpairs at this stage of the game, it's more picking the two individually scummiest players rather than looking for links, I think. Game's too dead. Too many people were quiet at different times. But yeah Tanaka isn't looking so good to me after that last post, there is no case on Tron that I can see.
I'm divided on Margaret for the moment and it's late enough in the game that asking this won't really hurt us, why do you think Rin is a roleblocker, specifically? Quantify your statement, please.
Don't like Helga for invoking the old 'but the people who just died were town and you didn't like them!' sentiment. I really hated this, too-
Well obviously it wasn't there since she was town, but come on, by all appearances she was horribly lurky and scummy and I'd just been addressing how her actions could make sense from a scum point of view in response to Maya telling me they didn't at all! Hell, read the whole statement-
I gotta agree with Margaret on the weirdness of Tanaka tying Tron and Rin together though. I didn't even really understand Maya's case on Tron at all in the first place, and I did try, not sure what it is presently. Worst I can say about her right now is that she's kinda defensive, and it's hard not to roll my eyes at that being enough to go after her.
Also, I have no idea how Rin could really be linked to anyone, either. She just hasn't done enough, and while I can get behind looking at scumpairs at this stage of the game, it's more picking the two individually scummiest players rather than looking for links, I think. Game's too dead. Too many people were quiet at different times. But yeah Tanaka isn't looking so good to me after that last post, there is no case on Tron that I can see.
I'm divided on Margaret for the moment and it's late enough in the game that asking this won't really hurt us, why do you think Rin is a roleblocker, specifically? Quantify your statement, please.
Don't like Helga for invoking the old 'but the people who just died were town and you didn't like them!' sentiment. I really hated this, too-
Quote from: Helga
Leia's behavior was pretty bad at the time, but this was a large leap in speculation. It ascribes a level of insidiousness to Leia I don't think was ever there, despite the attitude Leia copped.
Well obviously it wasn't there since she was town, but come on, by all appearances she was horribly lurky and scummy and I'd just been addressing how her actions could make sense from a scum point of view in response to Maya telling me they didn't at all! Hell, read the whole statement-
Quote from: Me
It is a pretty hard thing to gauge; Leia probably expected to die on her own soon enough, she could not be thinking at all, she could be waiting for a buddy to slam her, she could be a lot of things. Tron pretty much nails it by pointing out what she is doing is flagrantly anti-town.What is ascribing an unusual level of insidiousness, here?
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 5 (IT IS THE TURN OF THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE GRAND AND GLO
« on: September 19, 2010, 05:11:07 PM »
Yeah, I have a relevant question.
What rules will the changing of this enable that were not previously possible? Does anyone have any ideas? We can look ahead a few turns and think about along what lines we want to transform the game. I'm willing to be convinced if you can show me some options.
What rules will the changing of this enable that were not previously possible? Does anyone have any ideas? We can look ahead a few turns and think about along what lines we want to transform the game. I'm willing to be convinced if you can show me some options.
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 5 (IT IS THE TURN OF THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE GRAND AND GLO
« on: September 19, 2010, 03:30:51 PM »
Also, in more general terms.
People. Please don't say nothing in the proposal phase and wait until the very end of it to say things like 'haha okay', followed by abstaining or negative votes or things like that. Come on, put out your thoughts on things!
People. Please don't say nothing in the proposal phase and wait until the very end of it to say things like 'haha okay', followed by abstaining or negative votes or things like that. Come on, put out your thoughts on things!
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Forum Games / Re: Nomic: TROTLR: Turn 5 (IT IS THE TURN OF THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE GRAND AND GLO
« on: September 19, 2010, 03:27:19 PM »
I see what you're doing there. How unsporting!
I am voting against this rule because Tonfa was attempting to use a loophole in the one I just passed, where actions must be declared during the Proposal Phase for them to take effect. In any case is it actually permitted for the proposal phase to be truncated to nothing?
Also I actually like this rule, since being able to elevate certain rules as inviolable seems like a valuable option.
I am voting against this rule because Tonfa was attempting to use a loophole in the one I just passed, where actions must be declared during the Proposal Phase for them to take effect. In any case is it actually permitted for the proposal phase to be truncated to nothing?
Also I actually like this rule, since being able to elevate certain rules as inviolable seems like a valuable option.
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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Day 2
« on: September 18, 2010, 09:00:50 AM »
Leery at people popping up and going 'well Leia might not be scum because scum would not do what she does, it's too easy!' It is pretty much one of the scummiest things you can do and I certainly shall not be going elsewhere today. Mostly looking at Maya going 'surely Leia would have silenced Rin by dying'. It is a pretty hard thing to gauge; Leia probably expected to die on her own soon enough, she could not be thinking at all, she could be waiting for a buddy to slam her, she could be a lot of things. Tron pretty much nails it by pointing out what she is doing is flagrantly anti-town. Kinda want to see how it all goes down before speculating on teams- but a Leia/Rin one isn't one I think is too likely at this point, for all that I think they're both pretty bad.
Not liking Maya much, this is a situation where I think keeping it simple is better and rooting around for theories on contributors instead of those who, well, aren't seems like it's looking right past the obvious. In her case on Tron here-
-doesn't have anything solid in it that is screaming 'SCUMMY TRAITS' to me, so I'm not sure why she's still pursuing it as this juncture and certainly don't think it is more deserving than the many other colourful characters I've singled out today.
Not liking Maya much, this is a situation where I think keeping it simple is better and rooting around for theories on contributors instead of those who, well, aren't seems like it's looking right past the obvious. In her case on Tron here-
Quote from: Maya
Ran around like a headless chicken, very pointedly did not respond to my expanded argument (you know, after having hated the earlier form of it at this point), and for playing daddy's little friendly helper since to blend back in. What's this, you just so happen to agree with two of the cases of the day that were made before you posted? What are the odds! Let's not forget that the actual sum content of what she did after getting all flustered - which I think is at least part of why people aren't voting for her? - was actually no better than most. The very large attitude change to the new sweetness does nothing to dissuade me either.
-doesn't have anything solid in it that is screaming 'SCUMMY TRAITS' to me, so I'm not sure why she's still pursuing it as this juncture and certainly don't think it is more deserving than the many other colourful characters I've singled out today.
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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Day 2
« on: September 17, 2010, 01:27:47 PM »
I got called on being LURKERHITLER in the game in which I was LURKERHITLER as if it was a bad thing, too. Some things never change, I guess.
Anyway. You are kinda being absurdly nitpicky. Let's get this out of the way first- I consider all of Helga, Leia, and Tohsaka to be lurkers. Helga is actually the best out of them at the moment since she's been around today, though missing all of day 1 is still pretty uh and I'd still be willing to lynch her.
Leia is kind of awful. It's not just that she lurked all d1 with token votes, but her only case today is pretty much BS, it wasn't even a case so much as "I don't like him, vote!1"
Tohsaka is also pretty bad. She actually posted some stuff yesterday that looked like maybe she put some thought into it (or maybe she just copied it, I'm not sure, still more than Leia.) Did you miss the part in my earlier post where I said I'd lynch her, too? The dividing line between these two is actually really small. Ultimately they've both posted next to nothing, and the tiny tidbit of what Tohsaka did post looks slightly less bad than what Leia did. Thus, my vote.
Anyway. You are kinda being absurdly nitpicky. Let's get this out of the way first- I consider all of Helga, Leia, and Tohsaka to be lurkers. Helga is actually the best out of them at the moment since she's been around today, though missing all of day 1 is still pretty uh and I'd still be willing to lynch her.
Leia is kind of awful. It's not just that she lurked all d1 with token votes, but her only case today is pretty much BS, it wasn't even a case so much as "I don't like him, vote!1"
Tohsaka is also pretty bad. She actually posted some stuff yesterday that looked like maybe she put some thought into it (or maybe she just copied it, I'm not sure, still more than Leia.) Did you miss the part in my earlier post where I said I'd lynch her, too? The dividing line between these two is actually really small. Ultimately they've both posted next to nothing, and the tiny tidbit of what Tohsaka did post looks slightly less bad than what Leia did. Thus, my vote.