No one has voted because even a single wrong vote = scum win. I really don't think rushing us is all that productive, especially given what happened with Ciato. Go to bed, expect to see Andrew lynched... wake up, wtf last-moment Ciato train. If anything, actual set-in-stone day lengths would be superior since we would know what to expect.
Eh. Announcing my intent (but not voting despite having the chance, Otter) was to get people moving and get a claim out there from anyone who could miraculously save Andrew, unlikely as that seemed. Yeah, no one really cared to roleclaim (aside from OK just now: edit), which will probably doom us all, but I can't really do much to convince you when I have to leave a message in a bottle and then wait a full day to see if you guys agree (you didn't here, for whatever reason you have; this is LYLO, when are you going to claim, post-game?).
So I'll be going with Andy for reals, now. His roleclaim stated he was 'a town cop'. He also said he investigated LD. Well, what if he's telling the truth? He could be a rolecop who hit LD by sheer luck and found out she was a (sane) cop. That 'a' is either a figure of speach, or a slip to indicate that he knew there were other cops in the game -- a fact he would have no way of knowing otherwise. If he's a town rolecop that's lying (a possibility, if a tiny one), then congratulations, town blatantly and pointlessly lying just cost us the game.
Edit: taking out the vote since OK did claim, and others might actually get the hint that it's pointless to wait. If there are none by the time I go to bed, I'll properly place the vote on Andrew where I think it belongs.
If Andrew flips scum... Dhyer seems suspicious due to both his reluctance to roleclaim in LYLO while waiting on some magical later moment when we're not in LYLO, perhaps? Unless scum hit themselves, I don't see it happen, and I certainly won't see it happen if we mislynch. And we could, since we have less information now than with people claiming and discussing those claims. Ciato also named him, for better or worse -- her intuition was wrong about Kilga, as was mine. Him leaning towards Otter rather than Andrew... hard to say. I find Otter suspicious as hell, just not quite at Andrew's level. But it could be a judgement call just as well as it could be an attempt to diversify the candidate pool for today right after I said Andrew was my leading candidate and make us run in circles and hesitate. It probably wouldn't take long before new targets appear, and things get deflected. Yeah, no, let's settle this here.
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=375.msg8911#msg8911Otter:
Implicated by Dhyer, although it bears mentioning that all three people Ciato mentioned had just voted for her;
I presume he means 'implicated by
Ciato'. Why do I mention this?
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=375.msg8923#msg8923Otter:
Quote from: Yakumo
I lean toward believing Kilga's claim, so I'm not going to consider him for the moment.
Oh, really? You believe Kilga's telling the truth? That's handy now that he's been vig'd by Corwin, just last night.
So... Otter is going after Yakumo hard based on a slip similar to one he himself had committed a bit earlier, of using the wrong name. He goes on to say, in that same post, "I've changed my mind. Yakumo has soared ahead of the competition as my prime suspect right now." which is largely due to this. The other component of his suspicion lies in apparently forgetting a Night Kill, which... yes, he was guilty of himself the other day.
Mind, this doesn't clear Yakumo because Otter jumped on him. If Andrew/Otter flip as scum, then it would possibly be the same smokescreen tactic I believe Otter has employed wrt Andrew earlier in the game. And a scumtell is still a scumtell, even if fellow scum points it out (to drag this into WIFOM territory, perhaps, and make us ignore the slip). All scum need is to get us to mislynch once, and even getting Andrew and Otter wouldn't win us the game without Scum #3. What better way than to try and divert the lynch elsewhere, and fight amongst themselves if that proves impossible?
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=375.msg8925#msg8925Why is he so sure of this, Yakumo? Because scum know who they killed.
Some further thoughts/responses. Why didn't I vig Andrew out of my two day 2 targets, instead going with Kilga? Because I decided to try Ciato's theory by checking someone who had NOT claimed cop, and indeed someone town didn't feel like voting for, even with Andrew temporarily off the hook with his claim. I didn't believe Andrew. I don't even more, after Kilga's flip. However, I had my suspicions about Andrew and Otter when night hit, but had no idea who the third scum could be. I knew we would be in perpetual LYLO from that point on, so this was my chance of trying to hit the third scum, and I picked the scummiest looking person to me for that. Otter finds this all 'a little funny' in his post, despite me already stating all this in the post where I claim. In turn, that makes Otter look a little funny to me.
Otter, again:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=375.msg8928#msg8928This... is actually not true. While we had 'two' cops, only one of them was, you know, an actual town role. Paranoid is worse than useless for town. As this is specifically stated to be a mentor game with a pretty open setup... what exactly would it teach the mentored players if role craziness seeped in? What, it's okay because we had more than two vanilla townies so far, unlike in VtM and Touhou? Yeah, no. On its own value, this is a stupid, meta argument, I agree. But taken with everything else, it makes sense that there were only two town cops and Andrew is Something Else (like a scum rolecop, which is my theory).
As for me tying Otter and Andrew together... what can I say? I think both are scummy-looking separately, certainly enough to be the prime two candidates. At the same time, I see yet more (unrelated) signs of the two possibly working together. THAT along with the individual scumminess is what would make me lynch Otter if Andrew flips scum, not just guilt by assosiation.
P.S.
OK is someone I keep forget is playing till someone names him or I see a post from him. Man, if we weren't in LYLO.... And yet I ironically find myself in agreement with Otter that what few posts we have from OK don't read as scummy. Still, Nitori makes a good point here:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=375.msg8926#msg8926 re: Otter and his constant, low-key approval of OK. I dunno.
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