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@Alice - if somebody refused to do so, and claimed vanilla, then they'd be obvscum?Not necessarily - I don't envy his position, it'd being stuck between a rock and a hard place, if he votes he dies, if he does not he gets Hella Suspicion on him. I was expecting at least some objection from him, though...
And calling Yoshi's recent actions 'flailing' is not right.How so?
This doesn't explain the need for an unvote. You currently do not have an active vote, for a reason I do not accept. Concerned.Maybe we play mafia here differently, but from where I come from not having an active vote when there are still over 24 hours in the day and you're re-reading and re-analysing info (and stated as such), is not something scummy.
I'm sick of this "No scum would be that bad!" stuff. If you take it far enough, we should lynch all the pro-town players and reward the scummy ones.Except it's not "no scum would be this bad", it's how does this make sense at all as scum behaviour? Bard's copclaim is awful but it makes sense as a last-ditch method to save himself. Mage going after someone who quite clearly does not appear to have any supporters in favour of lynch, over joining any of the current cases/trains on Yoshi, Glen, Smodge, etc makes little sense as scum behaviour as it's not likely to result in a lynch and it makes him stick out horribly. Hence why I'm not seeing scum-Mage at the moment.
I vaguely remember such an argument on day 1.
If I'm missing something and you can prove otherwise though, I'd love to hear about itBecause it seems that part of the reasoning for Yoshi, Smodge *AND* Glen being scum is various forms of haphazard vote-switching D2. Granted, Yoshi was cheerleading while Smodge was flailing about, but I'm...hm. I'm still not ready to file it away as a null tell.
Struck out on his own case to the exclusion of all else, then voted for an extension.I would argue that NOT voting for an Extension D2 was the scummy thing to do prior to Bard's cop shenanigans which were awful as all heck. Anyway, now that we have two flipped scum, let's see what we can work off of. And yes, I KNOW the end of D1 actions make me look bad, but my lynch preferences at the time were Glen > Excal > Tonfa, and given the lack of willingness for people to switch to the Glen wagon (again I stress the five minutes before deadline point), I voted Excal. Turned out to have been a mistake. You could argue that Kilga is scum similarly because of his rather brazen defence of Tonfa D1. Honestly, I find this reasoning full of WIFOM and silly, so bleh.
As people have noted with my argument previous, it's a softball day 1 argument. I'm actually fine sticking to it, but even I see that it's not entirely built rock solid. Meanwhile, we have Excal who has been playing hyper-aggressive townie all day. This cheerleading response to my argument seemed... off to me. Especially when he says he's trying to direct discussion, instead he has a summary post which says... nothing. And he admits it and tries to play it off as "LOL silly me" at the end.No matter how many times I go over this argument I'm still not understanding it. So you vote Excal for...spectating/reporter-style posting? Or for not being on YOUR case for a mistake you made? Or for playing hyper-agressively when Town-Excal normally does not do that? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. It's also notable that this is the start of the Excal train D1.
This doesn't add up to me, since judging from how Excal's played so far he probably should have been the first to jump on my case. I probably would've been fine with it had it not had point C saying that there are holes in it, but for the points previous he's sticking with his other vote, but he doesn't. So...
When reading others' posts and they highlight Alex, it is only natural that I check whether their accusations towards him were valid. I found them valid, agreed with them and decided to pursue his lynch as his non-participation to town was more scumlike to me than the other cases at that moment. I do not feel I was bandwagon-hopping, but apparently we disagree on this matter.Hokay. Let's take a look at your D1 posts containing votes:
Not satisfied with Alice's answer so far. You took the time in that deadline rush to put in a few sentences urging others to vote for Glen. You would have known that when you posted it, you'd have to act fast. Yet it didn't materialize when it reasonably could have. Post, F5, read, "oh, Kilga will be here at deadline since he posted 40 seconds before me," repost, vote Glen, done. That can't take more than 1 minute, 2 if you want to add a few sentences explaining the switch.Yes, and it was five minutes before deadline. I had no guarantee that Kilga would be AROUND to switch to Glen at this time (in fact, the fact that he voted 40 seconds before me and it was 5 minutes before deadline was a decent sign that he most likely would not be constantly mashing F5 before deadline hit), so I made a call out so I could see if a switch was POSSIBLE with the amount of people who WANTED to vote, but it seems that I was right and due to a lack of coordination, which, given the rapidly incoming deadline, is not all that surprising, that there was no way to coordinate a switch to Glen that resulted in anything other than a Tonfa lynch.
Glen is rather obviously town from the way he's been flailing and throwing walls of text and fingers in every direction.What? Every time I have seen this behaviour, it's pointed to noob scum. Noob scum when stuck with impending lynch tend to flail around horribly in every direction. Especially combined with spending entirely too much time trying to defend themselves.
My gut instinct isn't so much that Kiro is scummy, necessarily, but moreso that if we continue to discuss Kiro and Kiro-related things, that the scum will reveal themselves. Again: No evidence, just gut instinct.Why? Why Kiro specifically?
