Some quoting from posts that caught my interest as I started catching up today.
If we don't have any leads on Sunday, feel free to prune me, since I probably won't be contributing anything that'll be useful.
From CPU, at
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=268.msg1993#msg1993Well, who am I to stand in the way of another suicide? He's not the only one of us who doesn't have all the time in the world to read the thread and participate, but others at least try and contribute meaningfully, not post once or twice a day with no content whatsoever. CPU's getting my vote once I'm done reading the thread, barring any scumtells I spot or that have already been pointed out.
Shale's move to unvote Tom before hammer... well, turns out Tom was playing a bad town game, as I expected, but with a couple hours left and no other candidates (seems like going after lurkers didn't take off after all, sadly) lynching was the preferred option to the alternative. A bit strange. His later responses don't convince me that it was a particularly good action, but that's likely a disagreement with style (ie not artificially keeping day 1 going once the outcome's been all but decided) rather than any scumminess. Yes, we can certainly use the time to talk, but lacking any kind of effective weapon to pressure people we want to hear from the most into responding kind of makes it largely moot. They know they aren't going to get voted in that situation, after all.
That said, I still don't like Corwin's response to my query, which he basically said it was for one of the reasons I didn't like in the first place. So that doesn't put him in hammer range. So what? Is the only suspicious vote the one right before Hammer now?
That's Yakumo, at
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=268.msg2009#msg2009He's missing the point, perhaps on purpose, that the're no particulat significance in the order of votes except how they appear to us. There's no reason vote three would be more suspicious than vote four, or vote two. Those votes before hammer do get examined more, yes, but that's only due to the possibility of scum hammering in a patsy. Still, someone had to have been vote #1,2,3... all the way to the last.
Secondly: Either way we have two confirmed townies, even in death. Perhaps looking at what they focused on aside from EvilTom will help? I'll look into it and post the results if no one else does in about five hours, I need food and sleep. Primarily the latter, class was hell today.
From Tai, at
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=268.msg2077#msg2077By all means, if you think something of value would come out of it. Metagaming or not, I'd tend to doubt it. The only one I've seen with any decent (if incredibly warped) intuition was smodge, and he's going for the #1 lurker that's asked for assisted suicide the previous day.
So. Haven't seen anything particularly scummy so far. Otter finally checked in, and the response is reasonable enough to give him more time for content. Thus, it is time to add to the discussion on pruning CPU (or getting him to post actual content at last) with a FoS on CPU.
Unoriginal... if CPU does his part and you've remained lurking, this will switch over to you. Or FoS, in other words.
On Rat's post here:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=268.msg2096#msg2096 and bad town play and consequences. I suppose I should have been clearer. When I think someone is town, not scum, but also happens to be playing a bad town game... it's not an easy call for me to make. There's justification for pruning, yes, and I accepted that Rat (and some others) might've been going on that. However, can you deny that by accepting that it's bad
town play, by your pruning, you're giving scum a pass that day? Lurking scum would get a free pass they wouldn't otherwise have, if they had sufficient votes on them. I chose this latter option, while understanding how the former is also viable. That's not akin to excusing bad town play, which means you give Tom a pass for no valid reason. As for my reason for thinking he's town? I did say it: first, from his other games; second, from not believing fellow scum wouldn't stop him in time if he
were scum.
Another thing Rat's post makes me consider is VSM, and how much he actually said. Something to look at later.
I'm still a bit suspicious of Corwin. I'd come up with scenarios in my mind to explain their back and forth together if they'd both been scum or if Corwin had been innocent and Tom the scum, but the other way around never occured to me. He is my prime suspect at the moment, as he tended to stoke Tom's fire early on and really get him started to my recollection.
Sopko, here:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=268.msg2106#msg2106Okay, that's pretty much a lie. Using 'recollection' to sneak it in doesn't work. I haven't made a single post attacking Tom, and in fact have defended him to a degree back when it wasn't already a done deal, and might've done some good if people went for my suggestion to go after lurkers instead and ignored Tom and his bad play.
Also, Sopko's words sound to me like he's decided either I or Tom must be guilty, and is now trying to find reasons
why. That's a classic scum tactic -- town looks at who seems guilty from their actions and words, not decides guilt and then looks for proof.
##Vote: SopkoHow ironic that I find something scummy-looking right at the very end of the thread I've been reading. Made me change my vote from CPU while typing this up. I do see Sopko's follow up post where he catches his mistake. Super made a lot of mistakes in NR, too, when he couldn't focus on the game enough. I'm told it's also something scum do more often than town, since their arguments have to be made up -- scum know the person they're going after is town, after all. Even though Sopko's follow up acknowledges there's no reasonable attempt by me to goad or otherwise bury an unfortunate townie, he nevertheless continues trying to tie myself to the affair from yet another angle. No, I'm not convinced.
Still, plenty of time in the day to change my mind. This vote should be incentive enough, and start the discussion.
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