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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the fourth day, they...wait, there's a day four?

« on: October 28, 2008, 07:08:28 PM »

Okay, I'm likewise sold. I've been running around in circles all game, but at the end of the day it was the obvious Mr. Ash who was nailed as the first traitor, and I'm now staring at Mr. Miyagi as the obvious second traitor or two overly convoluted cases. Perhaps I should be slightly more cautious of "The Dude" but I've never seen the merit behind any of the weak cases put on him. (incredibly selfishly this saves me a bunch of time this evening actually formally putting my concerns from late yesterday into a rigorous format, but hsshh)

Given the consensus and conviction (and Mr. Miyagi's lack of an attempt today), I think we may as well just get it over with now.

##VOTE: Mr. Miyagi

I won't be back until evening, where if the game is still going on (I assume it will because Miss Excel won't have returned?) I'll have another look through my notes and check over what my concerns were with the Mr. Ash / Mr. Miyagi pairing in the past, but this looks cut and dried as it stands.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the fourth day, they...wait, there's a day four?

« on: October 28, 2008, 01:26:41 PM »

The forum's going in and out of existence to me (the previous post took three attempts, thankfully without actually losing the text, and has been out of reach between then and now). The rest of the internet seems to be fine, so I can't imagine it's my connection. I'm going to open up a bunch of pages, take notes and post them later.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the fourth day, they...wait, there's a day four?

« on: October 28, 2008, 01:12:54 PM »

I can't say that's done my motivation any good. I'm not sure I can believe in a different partner for Mr. Ash when it would rely on an innocent Mr. Miyagi to have acted this way.

... Huh, a Day Four. Honestly unexpected.

What? Where were your suspicions, then? Yesterday you roughly went from Mr. Ash / "The Dude", sort of through "The Dude" / Miss Excel, then jumped totally off of "The Dude" and settled on Mr. Ash / Miss Excel. Mr. Ash had pretty much just handed himself in at the end as well. With those thoughts on the table, just what were you expecting?

No, I did indeed not vote the other day. I had suspicions of Ash but not a case built up. Quite sorry I didn't try to do the easy thing and vote someone everyone agreed on in the hopes that if it's scum I'd be getting some cred.

You're right that the judgment was out of your hands, and that placing a vote wouldn't have helped (if anything, it would have hindered on account of messing with the plan that was in motion). I'm far and out more concerned that you claimed to be on Mr. Ash most of yesterday without actually pushing it at all and favoring pushing other suspects out in front of him.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the fourth day, they...wait, there's a day four?

« on: October 28, 2008, 04:38:22 AM »

Firstly, nailing Mr. Ash was incredibly relieving.

For now, though, can we slow down a bit? I agree with the two of you that Mr. Miyagi is more than likely the only way forward, but that's no reason to just close the case when there's plenty of time to spare. Now that I've actually been granted the time to get through yesterday's material in full I'd like to do so (tomorrow morning, where previous days suggest that little will be posted while I sleep anyway) and I in turn want to hear more from "The Dude" and Mr. Miyagi himself before I can feel in any way settled (I should just be happy that it looks clear after all of the earlier mess, but late-night paranoia is distrustful of it. Did a theoretically traitorous Mr. Miyagi just have no NK that would have made him look better than this position?). I also really need to look into Mr. Ash / Mr. Miyagi from the start, given that arguments for and against it were being tossed around at least as early as day two.

But yes, back to a more useful momentum in the morning. I do think we have this in the bag, but I hardly want to get tripped up in elation.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 28, 2008, 01:44:19 AM »

I'd say it was keeping around a bad player to help lose the game for the innocents if not much need to protect her any further at this point.

Just to address this (only now realized 'he' was 'me'), what exactly makes Excel a 'bad player' to you? The fact she hasn't really contributed? Feigned madness while keeping her balance? She's proven quite capable of formulating cases and arguments as per her discussion against you.

Cannot see this argument.

I quoted that as a justification for why you'd claim Mr. Ash / "The Dude" and yet spend your time connecting "The Dude" to Miss Excel. If you don't believe it yourself then you're just removing a line of justification for that in the first place.

And curses no, I'm out of time. I'm going to have to leave it there.

##Vote: Ash

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 28, 2008, 01:40:45 AM »

Still Mr. Miyagi stuff, which is most relevant to me.

'Gutjerk feeling' to Mr. Ash / Miss Excel without ties? I don't inherently disagree with having two traitors down without understanding the connection between them (as you could point to my now primary case of Mr. Ash / Mr. Miyagi despite my as yet unresolved issue with pairing them up). Looks like another instance of implying suspicion of Mr. Ash without actually putting him in further trouble. If there is a post on Mr. Ash I apologize for missing it, because it really should read as though there is one. Even then, softly softly and putting the priority of getting Miss Excel out of the way.

Again, by http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=2205.msg38544#msg38544 (I should be quoting posts more directly, but I hope it's obvious where it's all coming from - it's mostly linear) there's more on Miss Excel's frantic waving to her clear-all alibi as being weaker than she claims (justified and already covered), and on innocents lying (again unsettling).

Edit: Miss Excel, it's not like I'm going to finish anything, just trying to get through as much as I can. If you're worried, put it down with a few minutes to go and then there's no possible pair of people who can pull the rug from under us unless Mr. Ash is innocent, in which case we've lost anyway.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 28, 2008, 01:29:06 AM »

Expect this to be erratic.

I don't get Mr. Miyagi's line of inquiry today. After starting by claiming Mr. Ash / "The Dude" as primary interest pair, this swings into a line of attack on "The Dude" with Miss Excel as his partner, and then drops half of that to go full out on Miss Excel. I'm scanning desperately quickly here, but is there much of an actual attack made on Mr. Ash at any point (who of course at this point we have to basically assume is one of the traitors)?

So at least one Townie could see reason with me and fail to see what is suspicious about me. Take that in what sense thou wilt.

Isn't a defense, right?

I don't like any argument that involves innocents lying. Even a cop who's scanned dead people should be using that in their defense. Sure it's going to be circumstantially weak, but still strictly better than the huge negative rep you immediately get for claiming later and admitting to lying. Had she not espoused this wisdom herself, I would have done the young Miss Excel injustice by saying that she's actually the only one I'd even begin to believe might think it would be a good idea.

Given how much I flopped about in the first sudden death, it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to jump in and start a case on me (Mr. Ash bought it, but, uhh...), especially when it bought another large chunk of time for him.

Obviously, don't think I don't see the case on Miss Excel. I do, and did even lead it off, but I have backed off somewhat.

Edit: Miss Excel, I'm still here, checking for updates like every few minutes. I worry only that with three votes he may self-hammer. If you have to go then do it, else I'd rather try and squeeze a little more out.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 28, 2008, 01:00:36 AM »

Well that took far too long. I probably won't get through everything, but I'll do as much as I can. I'll post periodically, but let's call it quarter of an hour before the deadline to push it through.

Miss Excel: I can't see any way of stopping this from working, but just to be on the safe side remove your vote from Mr. Miyagi now.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 27, 2008, 11:49:42 PM »

Right, I'm back, but not around yet. Hopefully no more than an hour to sort my stuff out before dedicating to here.

Tin-man: basically the only thing stopping me from putting a vote down immediately for all of that is that I want to get more of my opinions out before the end of this day. You may go to sleep knowing that my vote will reach him before the deadline, and if there's any concern at all then at the very worst I can't imagine Miss Excel not changing her vote over as well.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 27, 2008, 07:48:27 PM »

Oh come on. Could the timing for a post rush be any more out of synch with me? I'm afraid that I won't have the time to parse that much until I'm back in the evening.

Khan - post please?

Sorry, I did say I was going, and I've had fairly predictable timing for posts.

In uber-short, given the complete lack of a defense offered in some time by Mr. Ash, I find it hard to believe that I won't be voting for him, unless Mr. Miyagi has horribly damned himself in some way in his posts. The only especially weird thing that leapt out at me immediately is how quickly he jumped off of Mr. Ash / "The Dude" and on to Mr. Ash / Miss Excel on failure to get anywhere with "The Dude" or such.

I know that sudden death would be absolutely unforgivably stupid, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be playing the day out for time. So long as we communicate and know who's intending to do what, then I say we should let it get close (but not very close) to the deadline before putting the plan into motion. In particular, it'll let me get the time I need to pitch in properly rather than just assume that Mr. Ash is still best, and in turn gives him less place to hide / more time to get on if there has been a genuine absence.

Who's actually going to be around when I get back, anyway? My one concern about leaving things that late is that last night there was no one else around for ages. Who else is going to have their vote solidified beyond all doubt (due to not being on again after)?

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 27, 2008, 01:54:33 PM »

For clarity, 'he' in that discussion means Mr. Miyagi. Last sentence should read more like 'I'd say his angle would be that "The Dude" was keeping a bad player...".

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 27, 2008, 01:51:43 PM »

I can't really stick around. I can go into it in more detail later if you'd like, but in short I left it because "The Dude" had already answered its points, although yes, this doesn't preclude me from having an opinion. I disagree with at least his first points up to the Excel-obsession. He's right about his case on me being over-complicated and later about the weird logical hole about the rolecop stuff. I'm confused about the angle with Miss Excel when he's pushing for Mr. Ash / "The Dude" - I'd say it was keeping around a bad player to help lose the game for the innocents if not much need to protect her any further at this point.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 27, 2008, 01:36:58 PM »

I can mostly see how today will go. There are already four voices against Mr. Ash. If I am to assume that the traitors are two amongst those three, then with me, you and "The Dude" with votes on him it loses only in the case of a Mr. Miyagi / Miss Excel pairing. If it were not for the distinct possibility of that, my vote would already be on Mr. Ash.

On the other hand, we simply cannot let this run to the wire in the same manner as the first two days have. We need a hell of a lot more discussion (what, one post in the time it took me to go through my own material very slowly yesterday? One post while I sleep?), with only a quarter of the time remaining.

Miss Excel: if you are indeed innocent, then please contribute more in the way of who you think it is and why. Today you've only offered a little minor material against the tin man and implied recoil against me. Can we see a bigger picture? You've yet to suggest anyone specifically for lynching, or even people you don't think it is, let alone any thoughts on pairings. It's do or die here, so nothing should be held back.

My biggest stumbling point at the moment is seeing my way to a Mr. Ash / Mr. Miyagi pairing as "The Dude" has and the tin man seems to mostly be on.

I'll try and be on a bit at some point in the near future, but otherwise I'll be on in the hours leading to the deadline. Unless something major comes up in discussion in the meantime, I'm back to voting for Mr. Ash, as he's the only one with actions that I really can't see an innocent side to.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 27, 2008, 01:19:31 PM »

As time passes on the matter I've grown far less certain on what I was calling a potential slip from Miss Excel, sorry. Just because I and others had not put weight into a no-cop theory doesn't mean that everyone should have ruled it out. I still see the benefit to a traitor not taking the cop claim in that position, but I can now see an innocent angle from it as well, which was the crux of the matter. It was a bizarre high-risk move to make, but no, I can't say I see it being beyond Miss Excel-logic.

I don't know Mr. Ash from his source material. It's been a long time since I've seen "The Dude"'s, but even had I not, it is still easy to see beyond all of the cursing to see what he was actually saying. With Mr. Ash, until I looked at a bunch of his posts together and saw just how over the top it was, taking one post at a time just made him look incredibly uncivil (which is worse than the aggression). With "The Dude" there was never any such ill-feeling, you know just to extract the bad language, and I thought that was clear to everyone.

Also, even being told about Mr. Ash's character hardly removed doubts about using it as a screen with which to have been uncivil, whereas "The Dude" has never hidden behind his character at all, so far as I can remember.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 27, 2008, 05:42:36 AM »

It's late, but I still really should take a go at this.

Khan/Ash - I could have claimed cop and instantly won the game for scum were I a planet-eater.

Don't try and palm me off with this. I raised my doubts immediately before you claimed vanilla that a cop claim would need to be treated with caution. Even if you gained full trust somehow, it's not like we could even trust the readings to necessarily be accurate. You have all of the attention on you trying to work out if you can be trusted or not, which in retrospect looks less comfortable than the credibility aimed for here, especially if there's a partner tie-in as the aforementioned possibility with Mr. Ash.

I'm not saying I should be above suspicion, but if I were scum then I most certainly would have done that.

"I'm not saying I should be above suspicion, but WIFOM states that I should be."

Khan: how did I know there was no cop? Easy - I didn't. But this game was following the same setup as AnonySciFi mafia, where there was also no cop despite there being a miller/godfather; I decided to account for the possibility that there would be no cop, and wait it out.
In the alternate case scenario a cop would show up, I'd look bad for claiming late, but the cop would be legit because I delayed and would help us win.
It's a win/win for town.

No, I don't buy it yet (and I referenced that game first, for what it's worth). Why would a fakeclaim need to follow your post? "The cop would be legit because [you] delayed" you say? What? And how in any way does 'I'd look suspicious' contribute to "win/win for town"? Your claim here at best looks like a bad risk for town. I'm sure there's better reason to argue against a simple comparison argument, but I cannot think of why this must fail, so I have to let this slide more than I want to.

Can anyone else explain her logic to me if it makes sense? I'd feel a lot better if someone else could at least back this stuff up. In particular the 'legit cop' concept, which I'm sure is nonsense.

Khan: you seem pretty convinced that I'm scum, despite admitting that I could have fakeclaimed cop and gotten away with it unopposed.

Without being countered, which is very different to unopposed. Again, I made it clear ahead of time that I wouldn't be following a gifted cop-claim blindly.

You say I focused on the Queen - lots of people did.

Perhaps slightly unclear, but what I meant was that you basically talked about no-one other than the little queen at all during day one.

You say Yangus was an easy target - that's because he looked really bad. You yourself said he was viable for lynch "as even if he is innocent then it really has hurt us"

That in no way addresses the timeliness of your move on to him from nowhere. Yes, he hurt us. Suspicious innocents is always bad for town as it does allow traitors to jump on without easy opposition.

You've now tried to justify the two opinions you've expressed in the game. How about justifying the stunning lack of opinions otherwise? Sitting there and just pointing at this convenient event that you concocted yourself as some ultimate form of proof of your innocence when the alternative decision wasn't even remotely as cleancut as you claim turns me off even further when you're unwilling to stand beside anything else you've done.

Now today we have delaying roleclaiming and the claim behind doing it being the closest thing I've seen in the game to an outright slip.

Exactly how is preventing scum fakeclaiming cop and ending the game 'an outright slip'?

Khan's doing his best to make me look pretty bad. Scummy or misguided? Hrm.

If you're trying to convince me of anything, do not misrepresent me. Don't even try to put words into my mouth like that. Take my words as they are. Do not disregard me outright as evil or stupid, convince me. The slip in question is this supposed foreknowledge of no cop. Not that you would have a way of knowing that as a traitor, but using the information found out after the fact to justify the actions before it when you have little to no way of having come to that conclusion before then.

The attitude, the answering of the wrong questions, pointing repeatedly to her newly-found town credibility as her stand to make, instinctively turning on the person questioning her. Combined with her almost complete lack of actual participation for the whole game, I'm getting pretty damn sure.

My vote goes to Miss Excel in the morning unless someone can point out actual flaws to me by then (it's late, after all), or doubts otherwise. I'm not certain of the Mr. Ash / Miss Excel angle, but I can imagine being pulled back to Mr. Ash instead yet.


(600 words sorry sorry sorry, nowhere to break it this time)

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 27, 2008, 04:21:49 AM »

Mr. Ash just plain looks bad. I can't say that the tin man's exploring an avenue I would have called major (sudden death was a mess for way more than that), but tugging on that has caused really bizarre things to leak out. I can't even begin to work out where the tin man / Miss Excel claim has suddenly sprung from. The issue that is covered that I do feel worries me is not the timing but the hammer declaration. Can you not see how seeing that would force Mr. Yangus's hand to vote for Mr. Miyagi? If we were to assume that Mr. Miyagi is innocent, then after that lynch we lose day 3 to a discussion on Mr. Yangus, more than likely resulting in us losing.

I can't say the prospect thrills me when Mr. Miyagi was fishing for material on "The Dude" but I'm still currently staring at a Mr. Ash / Miss Excel partnership, with the assumed intent that Mr. Ash takes the fall and Miss Excel makes it through based on his day 3 angle on her and the roleclaiming providing credibility. Assuming that a traitorous Mr. Ash was attempting to panic someone into ending sudden death, it seems far too risky if his partner was Mr. Miyagi, as Mr. Yangus was most likely to be volatile. Thus Mr. Miyagi / Miss Excel does indeed seem more likely than Mr. Ash / Mr. Miyagi. Miss Excel has been oddly supportive of Mr. Miyagi without explaining it (because that would involve explaining something), and Mr. Miyagi has been mostly hands-off.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 27, 2008, 03:52:23 AM »

Okay, Miss Excel's reply is distinctly underwhelming and I'm finding it less likely that I won't be voting for her. Not to let that dominate the floor, more on the other two first.

Mr. Miyagi, other points potentially besides, there are two queries that have returned to me that I'd like answered. Apologies in advance if you already have done, I'll admit I've been far from exhaustive in checking your posts for these.

1) Your argument on Mr. Yangus that I called out as being similarly applicable to yourself, except worse. The only thing I can find about that really is:

I'm not strictly worse than Yangus in that aspect, but I've consistently tried to point at whoever I felt is scum and direct attention to the people I believe deserve attention, especially by going through with my words and voting on them, whereas Yangus has not done the same. Rather, he has not even commented on any particular case today. Combined with his behaviour from the previous day I feel I have a pretty good reason to see him lynched, because I am getting various sorts of "Might be scum but could be town" reads from everyone else.

And just saying that you weren't strictly worse doesn't make it true. Having checked back I see that you do actually refer more to Mr. Flanders than I have been giving you credit for, but Mr. Yangus actually made a rather detailed post on Mr. Flanders that was really rather convincing on its own, and your points on the little queen were more or less the same as his. Day 2 yes, Mr. Yangus played terribly and you at least had a case out before your swap, but what about this day 1 material that you so balanced on? Why do you think his actions were remarkable then and yet your own were not?

2) I've lost it, but did you ever answer "The Dude"'s query about your massive turnabout on me from "speaks much, says little" to "says much when he speaks"? I mean those specific claims, not your overall change of heart on me.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 27, 2008, 01:37:38 AM »

I'm having a bit of trouble actually working my way through the last bunch of points, so I'm going to start by leading off my concerns as they stand in brief. At least one of the three is innocent, so progress needs to be made one way or another.

Mr. Ash even yet holds on to an essentially supportless argument on myself. I would say that the language has toned down ("I honestly don't know."), but mere breaths previously had listed me as party to his top two traitor pairs. I've still yet to see or feel any reasoning why this was done innocently. Ended up on rather similar views to my own by the end of day 2 except for the obvious flip, which isn't so much the mark of a traitor so much as it is kind of creepy. Then there's this mess now that has him at the forefront. I'm going to have to look through that separately.

Mr. Miyagi hasn't relieved my concerns in any meaningful manner. I'm actually not sure what I'm looking for, but that serial monomania delayed him needing to have opinions on everyone meaningfully for far too long, and each time he jumped from one person to another it was the first he'd have ever said about them (with the exception of me, but even then without great context beforehand). With this being an easy way for traitors to tailor arguments to fit their purposes, I can't see how "I haven't commented on the things I haven't commented on because I don't think I need to." was meant to fill me with any sense of confidence. Welcome to the game as of the end of day 2, really.

Miss Excel still doesn't really exist. That's the huge thing for me. Smoke and mirrors, smoke and mirrors, and so little in the way of actual substance. Day 1 had the super lurk followed by the focus on the little queen. Day 2 sets up a line of mostly neutral-to-slightly-positive reads on everyone with a 'wait and see before I act' attitude before wasting a day fervently arguing a triviality, and eventually jumping on the ripened train on Mr. Yangus when he was a clear easy target. Now today we have delaying roleclaiming and the claim behind doing it being the closest thing I've seen in the game to an outright slip. Only angle offered at all appears to be some weird minor thing on the tin man. Something to be slowly convinced of before jumping on the next train?

So great, we have someone who draws views from the aether, someone with cripplingly slow views until the end of day 2, and someone with minimal views ever presented even now.

I'm actually most convinced of Mr. Ash / Miss Excel at this point. Mr. Miyagi / Miss Excel is probably secondary, although I've lost track of why they were an obviously good combo and why Mr. Ash / Mr. Miyagi were obviously a bad match.

I need that response from Miss Excel whenever she's next on pretty badly.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 27, 2008, 12:06:11 AM »

My pardon once more. The hunt for food left me temporarily afflicted by the condition known as 'socialising'. Thankfully (unfortunately given the time past?) this has not pushed me any further behind the discussion. I shall now press on as long as it takes.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 26, 2008, 10:13:08 PM »

I return once more to the belly of the beast.

Despite the fact that Miss Excel's gambit initially looked very good to me, ponderances have led me to an interesting logical conundrum that has yet to be asked and requires answering:

To be perfectly honest, I delayed my claim intentionally, until everyone else had claimed. My intention was that scum would be unable to fakeclaim cop when there was somebody left who hadn't claimed (especially when the miller points to the likelihood of a real cop).

This makes sense if and only if you had reason to believe that there would be no cop. If there was a cop then it doesn't matter when you claim, as any fake claim gets counter-claimed and we can actually get somewhere. Nor am I convinced that such a fake-claim need be among the last made, or even after the actual cop. Yet you somehow looked at the set up, spotted the even higher odds of a cop by way of the miller, and came to the conclusion that the prudent thing to do would be to delay your own claim on the assumption that there may be no cop, and assumedly also the lack of other town power roles that could have served to help us or be fake-claimed against us, not knowing how long it may be before everyone was to show up.

Pray tell how you reached this decision.

(I do realize the benefits turned down by declining a gifted cop claim, and I don't really believe that you edited your role-claim post to suit my worries voiced just minutes before on account of just how soon after your speech followed mine, but I don't understand where your reasoning has come from, and I do worry that hanging back for roleclaiming for so long is often a traitorous play to fit their claim to as much information as possible. So whilst I can envision why a traitor might turn down the cop claim in that [unexpected] situation, I cannot as yet envision why an innocent would arrive at the logic you've posited. Enlighten me.)

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 26, 2008, 04:01:13 PM »

Oh. Okay. More cred for that I must admit, Excel.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 26, 2008, 03:56:01 PM »

Curse the heavens, I've let myself get distracted and now I have a half-written speech and no time to finish it off in (saved elsewhere for now). I shall not be gone for too long, mayhaps six hours at most. I suspect this will painfully miss out on much discussion, as were we all around at this time yesterday.

To condense beyond much use, I am still primarily looking at Mr. Ash, Mr. Miyagi and Miss Excel. While I expect to find the traitorous pair between these three, I shall at least consider all possible pairs and will not blind myself to "The Dude" or the tin man, though even now I can't see a strong case to either.

I'm a little worried that Excel's just been gifted a cop claim. She was around when the claiming started, so why not say anything then than wait until everyone else has claimed? Not that she, you know, can't be the cop, but after playing a 'wait and see' strategy basically all game this still doesn't sit well. I'll have to see what she has to say before commenting further. History teaches us from the previous anonymous game that we should approach this with at least some caution.

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 26, 2008, 01:27:18 PM »

Khan, I must admit I believed you to have an investigative role when you so categorically stated your support for Liz despite her really lacking content (although you seemed to amend that opinion somewhat later on) and your speculating on the existence of roles not on the 'moon bible' list. Since you're claiming vanilla, can you explain both, please?

I'm not particularly sure where you're reading this strong opinion from. May I assume it's from http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=2205.msg38033#msg38033 only, as you quoted from it soon after? Hand on heart, it was my error from your posts that she should read less suspiciously than you, as I have said at least once before. Beyond that, it is a simple matter that there was more immediate concern from the others. Perhaps you forget that at that point in the day, while she had only made one post, this was one more than Mr. Yangus, and as many as Mr. Miyagi and Miss Excel, so low content for the day was yet to be an issue (nor had her off-putting arguments like the comparison to the foul fiend Death happened). She had much to catch up on and could have done more by then, yet it did not stick out as a bad opener. On the other hand, I still had major concerns with Mr. Ash and Mr. Miyagi, Mr. Yangus was dropping with every minute, the enigma Miss Excel was just about to leap to the foreground, and I still had what appeared to be unresolved circumstances with yourself.

Did I suspect her less? Yes. Did I categorically state support for her? No. Not even close.

With regards to the Moon Bible (I assume you ask on a rolecop angle?), I was worried that people were crossing off the possibility of ITP when the number of traitors was being discussed. Bizarrely to my eyes, however, whilst the Moon Bible's tenth commandment doth state "There may or may not be third parties." it then does not list any potential roles that such a mutant may sensibly take. As even the mighty concept of vanilla is covered, it seemed to directly contradict the possibility of a third party right then and there. Thus the question, else third parties could be suitably ruled out. Not that we even have the room to deal with a third party any more, but I've never actually held the odds of such a mutant existing to be more than insignificant.

Does that sate your desire for knowledge on those matters?

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the third day, they (insert verb here).

« on: October 26, 2008, 03:20:08 AM »

I can't even to begin to imagine why we would not want absolutely every last piece of evidence in front of us right now, because we need it.

As a truly superior being, I have no need for any manner of trickery to succeed at my goals. My quick wits and cunning should as ever be enough to see me through by itself. In fear and awe they refer to this status of mine as 'vanilla'.


I hope that something falls out in the roleclaiming, otherwise this needs a thorough shake up. It's frustrating that my principle individual suspect (Mr. Ash) is proving hard to tag to any partner at all, let alone not be part of my principle pairing (Mr. Miyagi and Miss Excel). I'll start in the morning with Mr. Miyagi, as he was at least kind enough to leave something to work with, especially given sudden death proved far shorter than expected. I'm really unhappy with how that went, but it was messed up in all regards anyway given the panic.

Edit: okay Ash, what. Still just pure gut enough to drop me in at the top two slots of your chart? How is this supposed to read well to anyone?

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Forum Games / Re: Anonyrandomafia: On the second day, they dithered.

« on: October 25, 2008, 02:49:19 PM »

Mr. Miyagi: I beg your pardon, I guess it wasn't clear enough. The bracketed points were those that I thought you were raising in your pre-deadline post, ones that I disagree with myself, and hence not the ones I was after.