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Forum Games / Re: [Game Over] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 30, 2009, 02:35:42 AM »
Definite awesome job By Tom, Kiro and Kilga.

Scum played a good game as well, despite the circumstances

Question why is it no matter how scummy i look town always take a couple of days to get around to lynching me?

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Forum Games / Re: [Game Over] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 30, 2009, 01:09:17 AM »
I had you from day 1 rat ^_^, was just a matter of convincing town >.>

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 5] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 29, 2009, 07:30:41 PM »
Agree with Kilga, i have made a few minor cases against Rat since day 1, Kilga's points only add to this, would place a vote but i dislike putting someone on -1 before they even get to address the issue

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 5] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 29, 2009, 04:16:35 PM »
Also i won't be making any significant posts for about 12 hours, intoxicated at the moment so i probably would make even less sense than normal if i try

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 4] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 29, 2009, 04:14:17 PM »
Smodge: I tend to take things a day at a time because reading over the content of the person who died at Night sometimes changes my opinions on who's Scum. But evidence wise at this time, probably back on Soppy.

I know reading into NK's are usually a bad idea but.....

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 4] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 28, 2009, 11:59:04 PM »
Ugh, Mage your going about this the wrong way.
Something i learnt quickly playing mafia here, if your town and a train is forming on you naturally do what you can to defend yourself but more importantly search for scum, every vote and every explanation gives more and more clues to who is scum so when your at -1 like this don't beg, continue hunting scum right up until the end, search amongst the cases and the votes as there is definately scum out there and find such a compelling case that proves someone is more scummy than you.

Gaining town cred is generally impossible it is the sort of thing that is circumstantial, every post you type risks making you look more scummy but it can also make others look scummy to, at these points in time the only thing you can do to save yourself is find someone more scummy than you and prove why they're a better lynch.

Anyway i'm off to bed, let when i get back up in 10 or so hours i'll hammer if theres been no development/changes in votes, let me know if anyone has an issue with it.

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 4] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 28, 2009, 09:40:00 PM »
Anyone have anything to say/discuss or should we get the day over with?

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 4] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 28, 2009, 04:19:45 PM »
Sorry i been away, following on from my last post
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg73311#msg73311

Rat never really threw a vote onto Alice despite his comments on her case all of day 3, he has basically been after Mage since day 1 however he did pull his vote off mage to vote for Bard.
Other than the Bard lynch rat really hasn't been part of the lynches to date.

Overall i have a mild  scum reading of rat however not enough to be comefortable with a lynch.

Kiro - mild town read, reading over the posts i can't find anything that stands out, interesting enough every time a train has formed on a scum member Kiro is sitting in the center of that train on the 3rd or 4th votte, the 3rd or 4th being a great place to hide on a town train but on a scum train?

Kilga - has been on every lynch train so far, whether its scum or town but nothing seems to stand out Mild Town read

Soppy - so far has been amongst the first on every lynch train and was amongst the first for both Bard and Alice, both of which his cases seem legitimate, scum this entire game have not shown any inclination to bus each other.
The only thing that really sticks out is his 2nd vote on the Alice train which seemed almost pointless as he was leading in votes already and had claimed bomb, it looks a bit suspicious like scum attempting to jump on a succesful train last minute.

Soppy i only have a mild scum read on but also i am not comefortable with a lynch as it is minor.

Now Back to Mage the topic of today
Mage has had failtastic gameplay since the beginning
Day 1 he ended on the Tonfa train.
Day 2 ended without a single vote sitting on someone pops up at the end of the day with "i would have voted bard"
Day 3 he votes Kilga, then in a later post he unvotes kilga and FoS him, then later votes Kilga yet again

I mentioned i found Mages post at start of today being strange how he comes up with this
To start off the new day, I'd like to point out that night kills so far have been killing off extra suspects, thus eliminating discussion. I think we should be looking for those who have either been pulling out new cases constantly, and/or those that have been stifling discussion in some way.

First something about the NK that doesn't seem accurate at all.
Followed by a we should look at some people, but never names any or presents cases at all

Then we have a vote on me, no case presented or aspects of the case agreed upon
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg73417#msg73417
Next post he changes to Soppy?
Soppy is looking scummier to me, though, by way of pointing out every single known scum in one post. This is also the post where he first accuses Bard. And he mentions a certain level of suspicion on everyone who became a train Days 2 and 3. He also seriously accused Yoshi of me-tooism, and provided Yoshi's jokevote as example. Personally, all of this screams of scummitude. What would be the best way to ensure that, if all else fails, at least one scum will live? To have one scum act completely differently from the others. Which Soppy has been doing. He's been attacking all the scum, which seems a little bit too convenient. (In fact, D2, he's actually harder on Alice than he is D3. D3 being when scum are in danger of being reduced to one left. He also plays a more defensive game in general on D3, and has since been more on the offensive again.) And the scum? They've all been playing rather similar games to each other so far, have they not?
Wifom argument, all scum have acted this way then surely the 4th will act the opposite.
Finally we have Mages Roleclaim as bulletproof, now it is likely to be a bulletproof out there as scum did have the 1 shot hitman (however we did have a jailer) but one of the things i have noticed, both Bard and Alice roleclaimed something useful to the town, they didn't claim vanilla.

Of all the players still Alive Mage appears scummiest to me at the moment, Rat/Soppy an equal 2nd for reasons stated above.
I am happy to Hammer Mage but we still have 24 hours to use

So i open a question
If Mage were to flip Town who would you think is scum
If Mage flipped town i would probably lean more towards Rat than soppy as rat has been hitting mage day 1 with tunnel vision and admittedly if mage turned up town it would be a pretty easy lynch for scum to convince people of.


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Forum Games / Re: [Day 4] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 27, 2009, 10:11:04 PM »
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg73297#msg73297

Ok Glen, i said i was considering requesting it due to time constraints, i received a pm from laggy wanting to know if i wanted a modkill and i refused on the following basis
1. Its friday morning here and thats the start of my weekend - Yay free time
2. with Alice gone its likely we're down to 1 scum and this game may even be over before i start to get bogged down with work again.

As for reasons for letting Yoshi take the possible bomb at last second it was quite simple i know my Alignment, i honestly didn't expect him to volunteer and was surprised he did.

The Yoshi NK confuses me completely, i was coming into today expecting a Yoshi/Smodge lynch train/smokescreen.
Mage points out something about the NK which i believe is completely false about how the NK Targets have all been those who could have been implicated
Xanth - Was looking towny to a degree but didn't seem to have a serious case day 1.
Alex - Obvious after Bards claim was town.
Yoshi - As i said i expected a smodge/yoshi train coming into today.

To start off the new day, I'd like to point out that night kills so far have been killing off extra suspects, thus eliminating discussion. I think we should be looking for those who have either been pulling out new cases constantly, and/or those that have been stifling discussion in some way.
This sets off some scum warning bells to me,

EvilTom- i presented a case against end of day 3, i find it highly unlikely scum-tom would be the first to create a compelling case about Alice and as such believe him Townie.

http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg72306#msg72306
Glen Definate Town i find it almost impossible to believe Tonfa Bard AND Alice would put votes on their scumbuddy to save another, that kind of voting power could be used to hit town.

Interesting point the only 2 on that Glen train that are still Alive are Rat and Tom (Tom who i think is town)

On top of this rat then defends bard on day 2 slightly here
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg72595#msg72595

But As soon as Kilga points out the rediculousness of Bards claim he votes Bard
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg72771#msg72771

Day 3 Rat implicates Alice and comments on him all day yet never throws a vote down.
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg72927#msg72927

Leaving work, will post more when get home

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 27, 2009, 02:12:51 AM »
Spectators must be shaking their heads right now.
And scum if its not Alice

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 27, 2009, 02:11:12 AM »
##Vote:Alice
Why are we sparing me?

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 27, 2009, 02:09:28 AM »
Gah can people make up their minds who will take the risk of bomb

we now all seem to be planning for Alice being a town bomb >.>

Also Glen question if this is for Townie cred wouldn't it make more sense for Scum Alice to Bus Scum me and be more likely?

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 27, 2009, 02:07:19 AM »
Hmm, to think scum in this situation could pull their vote last minute
##Unvote:Alice
Rat wanna chuck a vote up there so i can Hammer and get day over with?

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 27, 2009, 02:03:24 AM »
Alice tomorrow would be nothing but people calling for my own or Yoshi's head.

Knowing i'm town and i have started to lean towards Yoshi as town it would be better that town have a clear start and can think Fresh for tomorrow instead of me causing a giant smokescreen.

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 27, 2009, 01:59:51 AM »
Comments before i go.

Keep an Eye on Rat, it was slightly suspicious he called for someone to throw themselves on the bomb and has been cheerleading an Alice train this whole time without voting at all......
Not much case mainly instincts here.

All the others i've made my cases on anyway.

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 27, 2009, 01:51:46 AM »
Tom why would i risk throwing it away unless i was nilla...... really?

Also my necks on the chopping block tomorrow along with Yoshi, this gives town a clearer way to discuss things if i die with Alice and should stop smokescreening >.> honestly im surprised at how little votes i've racked up.

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 27, 2009, 01:48:23 AM »
oh and i think Alice is lying scum anyway

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 27, 2009, 01:46:32 AM »
Honestly, my wishy washyness has more been from my lack of time to really play this game.
>.> was considering requesting a modkill.

I have been utterly confused with this entire game never really had the time to read it from start to finish and have just been trying what i can with bits and pieces hence the jumping around.

This kind of saves me the trouble and makes sure noone important gets knocked out by bomb if Alice is telling truth >.>

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 27, 2009, 01:43:28 AM »
##Unvote Alice
##Vote: Alice

I'm happy with this

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 26, 2009, 08:29:11 PM »
##Unvote: Glen
##Vote: Alice

I'm going to need more time to consider what Soppy/Yoshi have just pointed out about the Yoshi case, for now i'm not comefortable with Yoshi lynch, Alice however

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 26, 2009, 08:24:51 PM »
I dont know what to think >.>
I admit i started to see it as pro-town however it could be scum trying to make the roleclaim more real.......
But to be honest i am leaning more towards pro-town and am relooking over your case.

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 26, 2009, 08:20:15 PM »
Response to Soppy,
Rolefishing a cop when it comes to number of uses is bad.

Yes bard was scum

If someone roleclaims cop generally they're going to become #1 target for the NK.

Now say he only has one use of his power comes out and says it, scum may buy it they may not but it may be a deciding factor for them not to NK him.
A cop claiming they are full cop with unlimited uses just paints a target on his back.

Yoshi appeared to be rolefishing and appeared at the time scummy because scum would be very interested in amount of uses the cop has as it threatens them.

All this is irrellevant though because Bard turned up scum and any scum wouldn't care about number of uses because they know its a sham.

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 26, 2009, 08:15:48 PM »
To Kiro,
I was attemptign to comment on all the cases presented, Tonfa's i saw nothing on at all and had no read (i couldn't even see why it was a case) hence i don't really comment much.

As for Tom now that he has posted on Alice, it is a good case and i would actually be comefortable with an Alice Lynch (pending more discussion)
Alice's flip-flop on the hammer - 1 scenario, he pulls his vote off as soon as he realizes, then puts it back on when people start to pressure him, it feels like scum trying to lay low a bit
Tom points out some things about Alice that i didn't realise.

As for my opinion of him whether i think he is less scummy because of the case against Alice no i don't, simply because we don't know Alice's alignment.

Soppy seems very lurkish but even then the few posts he makes have a decent amount of content.



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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 26, 2009, 06:32:28 PM »
Gah i fail

Copy past missed the top half, this is the top

Warning wall o text

Ok first things first to address the case against me let me know if i miss anything

First of all when i say Yoshi discards Tonfa's post as bad phrasing it is written in paragraph 1

http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg72143#msg72143

As for my opinion of the tonfa case, i say it multiple times that i cannot see the case against him at all, Tonfa was a complete Null read to me (and still is even though we know he is scum)
Evidence here
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg72319#msg72319

My actions Day 1 i have explained i disliked both the Glen and Tonfa case hence voted Excal who i saw as mildly scummy

Day 2, bleh i sucked my logic was terrible and theres nothing i can do to take it back.

To answer Kiro
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg73059#msg73059
What am i meant to do Hammer Yoshi?
I decided to Pressure glen with some backup as logic hence pressure.

Yoshi i have presented enough against.

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Forum Games / Re: [Day 3] Worms Armageddon Mafia
« on: August 26, 2009, 06:31:40 PM »
I decided to Pressure glen with some backup as logic hence pressure.

Yoshi i have presented enough against.

Eviltom -
Minor things really here.
Tom Votes Mage/Glen day 1, attacks Tonfa but sticks with voting Mage/Glen
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg72092#msg72092
End of Day 1 Votes Glen Pushing it up to the 3 way tie then leaves with no intention of sticking around for lynch, he also says mage is more scummy
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg72300#msg72300
We then have Tom's Mega WoT where makes a case against and votes me
Overall to me there seems to be much more scummy people than Tonfa/Glen/Mage that Excal seems to be attacking so heavily.
If there are much more scummy people around than Tonfa/Glen/Mage, then why didn't *you* vote for them Smodge? Why vote Excal? Absolute hypocrisy.
And also:
I do look at other players however as we're down to the last 5 hours attempting to push for the lynch of those who have 1 or no votes on them is throwing away a vote of importance

So exactly who was Excal meant to go after, Smodge?
Excal wasn't a tie train until *you* put him there.
Then "Oh we should only vote for the trains now, I'm not moving my vote, Excal needs to die".
Oh look Tom, your using against me what you yourself did, the difference is i said i would switch my vote at the end if need be
We then have cop-claim lynch Alex
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg72769#msg72769
No argumentation or reasoning whatsoever
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg72778#msg72778
Followed by not trusting dodgy claim but it is a cop stay with voting Alex.

Now For Alice although i said she was town earlier rereading often changes things.
Swing Vote for Excal, Condemnds Glen yet avoids Tonfa,could have elft her vote on Glen but this puts Excal in a Tie with Tonfa thereby saving him with 4 minutes to go
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg72337#msg72337
Tonfa puts his vote down with 2 min to go straight after Alice
http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php?topic=3833.msg72341#msg72341

Getting this out there now cos going on lunch break and dont want to lose it, will continue where i leave off
Toms Case on Alice makes a fair bit of sense

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