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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Day 2

« on: September 17, 2010, 06:11:49 PM »

I do not think Tanaka is scum because of his flavor (lulz). I think he is scum because of his presence but non-presence. Rat's passive-aggressive bitchiness I find somewhat concerning, I'm not sure if he is trying to channel being a real tsundere or if he is a bitchy-bitchy scum-scum. BLAH BLAH YOU CAN NEVER NOT BE A LURKER whatever dude. Don't lynch Li, she's not scum. I am vanilla town.

And now, for something better than you~

I control the world
You controlled my heart
And life was easier than watching evil empires fall apart

You saw that only my blood lust could tear us apart
So you raided my artillery for a tranquilizer dart
You steadied, took your aim, and shot me straight in the heart
Let your tender reign over me start

I spend the next twenty years with my head between your knees
All the while making sure you heard my cautionary pleas
There's a price on my head at which nobody would sneeze
Cuz I sailed the, sailed the seven seas
Accumulating so many enemies

They would fall for me
And I would fall to you
And you're the closest thing I'll ever have to Waterloo

When they write my history
Will they include all your conquests of me?

I'd totally hammer myself if it wouldn't cause epic tears and sobbery. (Watch this turn into aweeesome WIFOM speculation about if I am trying to FOOL YOU INTO BELIEVING THAT I AM TOWN BY NOT HAMMERING MYSELF!)

(And yes, I know my behavior is deplorable. Unfortunately, I'm prone to such bouts of deplorability. It goes along with being a tsundere.)

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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Day 2

« on: September 17, 2010, 06:40:24 AM »

MY OBVIOUS HIDING TRICKS OF forgetting the game was going on. Awwwwwwwwww yeah I am a clever bastard. I think it's hilarious that you call me an active lurker when I haven't been active the entire game! Oh Rat we about to throw down fool.

I have no case on Tanaka that doesn't involve me pointing to the fact that he seems to regurgitate everything. Like, for realz, did anything his Day 2 post say anything approaching useful? I realize I haven't said all that much useful stuff either, but I ain't gonna vote for myself. That'd just be bloody stupid. I don't think Helga is as scummy because she seems to have at least thought of a case on her own.

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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Day 2

« on: September 17, 2010, 03:22:00 AM »

So after trying to read the topic a couple times, I have come to the conclusion that reading this topic is really boring.

Tohsaka I actually forgot was in the game and I figured that people were talking about one of the other T-names in the game or something, which is generally a poor sign. It looks like she’s being dealt with in the same way that I would have been if I had continued my bad habits. Slit slit.

I find voting for people that you half-assedly think anything about is disingenuous and I always try to vote exactly the way I feel regardless of what anyone else thinks. I think Tanaka was bad, I still think Tanaka was bad. He echoes and lightly puts his touch on everything and just seems to be come off as exceptionally slimy in every post. I find him dissatisfactory in general.

Li seems like a misguided townie that seems to be talking out of her ass, and Maya seems crazy-obsessed with her case on Tron. I am not sure how I feel about this. I think that focusing on one case can leave you somewhat exposed to attacks in the event that your target actually dies, but those things are pretty easy to get around. I overall have a fairly negative opinion of her despite having a lot of content in her posts.

I agree with Mai/Rat for the most part about Helga and I think she has a strange assortment of people that she picks on. Do I think this is worse than my admitted gut-check on Tanaka being scum? It probably should, but logic is for pansies anyway.

##VOTE: Tanaka

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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Day 2

« on: September 16, 2010, 11:17:12 PM »

Forgot I was playing! This is a placeholder for no-modkilling, but I'm busy right now with a variety of fun paperwork activities. I will try to make a real post in 3.5 hours or so.

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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Day 1

« on: September 14, 2010, 05:16:26 PM »

Out of everything that's happened today, the only thing that really catches my eye is Tanaka dwelling on empty unvoting! This feels tenuous at best a way to catch scum and a good way to mindlessly hang someone.

##UNVOTE, VOTE: Tanaka

It's hard for me to say too much else, plus I have to go to work now!

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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia - Day 1

« on: September 13, 2010, 06:20:34 AM »

Japanophiles in the house, eh?

Man. I hate all of you. I want to vote for everyone. None of you are as sexy as Harrison Ford.

WHY IS TRON BONNE ON THIS GAME? SHE'S CERTAINLY NOT A TSUNDERE!! um

##VOTE Tron Bonne

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Forum Games / Re: Tsundere Mafia

« on: September 11, 2010, 02:00:54 AM »

Shoot some dudes!

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - The Final Confrontation

« on: May 11, 2010, 08:42:12 PM »

Phew, it's finally over. I really need to learn to spend less time on these games. Thanks to everyone, apologies to the rest of the scumteam. It did rather end up being decided on the basis of roles, but that's probably my fault for telling the truth to town so much.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 6

« on: May 11, 2010, 10:36:09 AM »

At work, just quickly, if you're doing this please make sure the #2 in votecount at day end is whoever you think has the best chance to be the second scum (for my money Andrews but it's not my call, if you want to go Greaves then sure). If scum actually non-slowkilled last night to give Dale's claim weight then we can still potentially win provided he can't hit town tonight. (Hopefully he's lost his power, in which case great, but I don't want to bank on it).

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 6

« on: May 10, 2010, 10:37:28 PM »

Daniels: not "I'm going after 3P Dale because if he's proscum we've already lost". I'm ignoring the case of 3P Dale and assuming Scum Dale, because if he's 3P proscum we've already lost.

Andrews: uh... sure, if we can convince Daniels and Nikolai to agree to vote for you, I'm willing to vote for you too, and if you'll do it that gives us a majority. Not quite sure where you're going with this, nor that I trust you to keep your word when it comes down to it, but I'll certainly be willing to try.

Andrewsninja: Bard seems to think he still has a fastkill, and maybe he really does.

Mei-Fan, if you so wish: No, you're not the only one annoyed about that from Nikolai. So much for roles being minor and the game being all about good old-fashioned scumhunting, but nothing we can do about that at this stage.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 6

« on: May 10, 2010, 10:00:12 PM »

"I'm not a third party. I'm not scum. I'm Town. Have been since the start of the game and will remain until the end of the game. And even if I was a third party, I prefer victory aligned with town any day." Uh, yeah. Wait until now to claim it, and then right back to "I'm town, but even if I wasn't..."

"if I was never a Cop, please explain to me why I would have such nigh-unerring faith in Peyton Hadley from Night 1 onward...". Even if what you're saying is true, you knew you'd appear as a cop to investigations, as I do now, so you would've acted like one as closely as you could.

"Why would I dance around my alignment? Because I was hoping that scum wouldn't bother with a claimed third-party until lategame, and town wouldn't need to worry about a third-party who was clearly on their side." Again, back and forth on your alignment. So you're claiming you're third-party now? Certainly no way I'm believing you're town.

"I never claimed I was blocking Dale. I was speaking in flavour and roleplay terms of holding back the murderous alter-ego, who is Dale. Mei-Fan is the Cop." Buhuh? So the half of your personality that thinks he's an ordinary novelist is the crazy subconscious killer you weren't aware of, and the half of you that thinks he's a time-travelling chinese woman from the future is the perfectly sane cop who you've been fully conscious of all along?

"Why would town need a warning anyway that there's a vigilante out there". That's a point against yourself; given both myself and it seems Greaves were warned something like you existed, it makes a lot more sense if you're not town.

I figured you for third party because I think your role makes even less sense as scum. But as I've said, it doesn't matter; either way you're playing against town at this stage, for whatever reason, so our only hope is to kill you and hope you're actually scum. So if you're saying you're not 3P (back from how you were 3P back at point 4) because 3P!You could've won the game earlier, great - I guess that means you're scum, and we've actually got a chance of winning this. Vote stays.

Daniels ninja. My grounds for going after him whether or not he's 3P was that if he's 3P and playing against town there's no way we can get enough votes to lynch scum anyway, so in that case we've already lost - if he really has the slowkill on him, there's no possible carrot or stick we could offer him to play along with town instead. So there's simply no point worrying about the case where he's 3P.
"SEAMUS O'EXCAL ALREADY FLIPPED DOCFATHER, A ROLE THAT EXPLICITLY STATES THAT HE PROTECTS AGAINST NORMAL NIGHTKILLS.  Ergo, if not town, the normal killer MUST BE NOT SCUM, or else I am PUNCHING SNOWFIRE IN THE DICK VERY HARD". Nope, we've already had a bunch of millers when there are no actual cops around, docs on both scum and town sides, and we've been explicitly told that most of the roles are traps; a few posts ago you were saying this is role madness the way you like it.

Forum errors and Andrews ninja but I'd better post at this point.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 6

« on: May 10, 2010, 08:52:49 PM »

I was about to ask why on earth 3P!Dale would lie to get me killed, but then it hit me: maybe he really has been hit by the slowkill. In which case, his only chance to win (assuming a vaguely survivor-type role) is if we mislynch today and give scum the win tonight, before he dies.
But. But, assuming that, there's no way left for us to lynch scum today, short of some townies convincing Dale they're scum so that he'll vote with them. Which would be a hilarious path to victory, but not one I see much odds in at this stage.
So I'll put that aside and assume - hope, even - that Dale must, somehow, be scum. (And in case it's not clear, yes, he is lying, because I'm not a miller of any sort, but more than that, Dale was never a cop, he just looked that way). I can't guess why he didn't kill night 3, and to try and reason anything based on scum actions is pure WIFOM; maybe he felt they didn't need to at that stage, and not going for it would add confusion. Maybe the scumteam felt Nikolai was scummy enough that he would attract a lynch and was therefore more use to them alive than dead - in which case, after all, it worked. As for targeting me, assuming SnowFire didn't count yesterday was a unanimous Nikolai lynch, which I guess gave him a free choice of everyone for "second-placed lynch candidate". Night 1 Peyton must've misunderstood where the flavour said the kill he deflected was aimed; it wouldn't be the first time.

Dale, I corroborated your story because it lined up with my role result on you - as you presumably prepared it to. (Flavour arguments lolwhat, but this time traveller thing doesn't really fit in with the Cthulu theme, so I'm guessing it's your own rather than the mod's, but that's beside the point really). The mention that you "will have to make a decision under quick pressure" was an attempt to be diplomatic in saying that I didn't trust you to reason it out yourself (and don't get me wrong, it is hard to get these things right, I had to run it through about five times before I reached what I thought was the correct conclusion), but then I realised given Meme Mafia it was better to just leave it to you and hope it came out right. If Kolmogorov had been town but not full-resurrected (which seemed a possibility, I didn't know whether he would be really alive or roleless/voteless, see Callahan's flip and Greaves' claim) and you'd misvigged last night then that would've been game over, so it was potentially a vital decision. I imagine you will get to kill tonight, if that really is still your role, given that we know Bike got a night 2 action. I can't argue about happening to investigate Greaves the same night he revived; coincidences happen.

As to me knowing scum's secret, there's one very easy solution: the presence I felt, the one that thought it was watching over the town, was in fact scum. Maybe it goes further than that, and the scumteam are the higher echelons of whatever organisation within the military was backing me up, Marbury is their town, the presence their own supernatural guardian, and for some reason now they've turned on the ordinary citizens.

Given SnowFire's evasiveness, I'm almost willing to believe this all just more madness. Almost. But why would Dale be going to so much effort to consider the possibility that I'm clear if he really had a cop scum result on me? Why would he dance around his alignment like that, if he really were town or even neutral? Why would he make this big fuss about Nov 1 and then drop it? Why would he get his roleclaim backwards, claiming that he's now Mei-Fan and blocking Dale, but this would mean that he was losing his Vig power and his Cop one still worked, when if his role were really what he claimed it would be the opposite?

Nope. Not buying it. You're either scum or you're 3P but siding with them, and in the later case all is lost already. ##Unvote, ##Vote: Roland Dale, or whatever his real name is.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 6

« on: May 10, 2010, 02:56:13 PM »

At lunch.
Dale: Huh? Obviously I don't know everything that happened, but that was it from my perspective; I covered myself, and got this switching. Wasn't even given a role result on myself outside of that, though possibly that qualifies. I assume that was you targeting me, potentially you're also dying as a result of that (in which case you keeping your original role would also make a certain level of sense)? Guess we'll have to see if anyone else claims.
If you really are dying, care to tell us what your win condition was, and any other hints that might be useful? (Of course assuming you're 3P there's no reason you'd to want to help town any more than scum, so I'm not sure how much use anything you say will be, but you've got nothing to lose at this point by telling us, so I figure it's worth asking).

Greaves: would be nice if you'd think about your voting. This game has thrown plenty of surprises at us and I'm sure we're not done yet, so even when it looks like you've found a definite scumpair (which, for what it's worth, looks to be yourself and Andrews from where I'm standing), it's important to vote for the one who's actually scummiest. I don't like you taking an easy excuse to vote while giving no real reasons, though I can't be sure that's thought's not OMGUS-tinted.

Andrewsninja but my lunchbreak is ending.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 6

« on: May 10, 2010, 08:15:21 AM »

As to why I didn't want to lynch Nikolai, I thought he'd be extremely useful in the 4-player LYLO we seemed likely to end up in. Scum would break cover to lynch him, thinking they'd won, then he'd come back and give us the victory.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 6

« on: May 10, 2010, 08:06:55 AM »

Ok. But you're not going to like it.

The presence came and sought me out last night. It was angry, it was scared, but far from being calmed by me, on seeing me it became outraged. It began to lash out mentally, speaking of "purging" and "cleansing", and in a flash of insight I realised that it was not the protective being I had thought at all, but my enemy, and not only that, but the enemy of all townsfolk. Whether through accident or malice it had come to perceive its residents as practitioners of evil, and it would not stop until they were destroyed.

It was old, and wise, but I am not without some skill, though this battle cost me dear. Still, I retained - barely - my sanity. In the end I resorted to the oldest trick in any kind of battle - an ambush. I let it think my mind was weak, offered up a part of myself, let it think it could possess me, and then bam! Closed the door, leaving it trapped in that small compartment. Rather than it controlling me, I would now control it.

It was conflicted, actually, so twisted and misguided its thoughts that I almost felt sorry for it. While it struggled to purge the unclean, another part of itself retained the illusion that it was doing this for the town, that it was the servant of the townsfolk. As such, it would only attack those who were second in the town's voting, and the decision on whether to kill would remain in my hands. It would cover me with its mantle, that of the righteous who had done its bidding centuries ago, when it really had protected Marbury - only this time, two conflicted parts of it were both sure of what its champion used to be called, so I would appear both as Town Cop and Town Vigilante.

...Yeah. I can only assume Dale is now Counsellor, as that's the only remotely sane thing to have happened. I'm honestly not sure what to think about alignments; this makes more sense as an SK-type role than anything else (not that it makes a lot of sense there), in which case Dale is now harmless (3P, maybe survivor but no killing power) and not worth wasting our time on over scum. ##Vote: SnowFire, full analysis to be done after work, but I figured I'd better get this out here.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 5

« on: May 09, 2010, 04:39:34 PM »

##Unvote, ##Vote: Nikolai Kolmogorov, in case that didn't count. Derp.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 5

« on: May 09, 2010, 04:38:53 PM »

You're right. It makes the most sense if Mei-Fan figures out who, if anyone, to go for herself. ##Unvote, ##Vote| Nikolai Kolmogorov

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 5

« on: May 09, 2010, 04:26:03 PM »

Yes, confirmed. I don't like being this public about what's going to happen, but sure.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 5

« on: May 09, 2010, 03:50:48 PM »

Ok. I'm willing to protect myself (it's not like there's anyone left to investigate, unless the scumteam is Nikolai/Martin, which is our easiest possible state of affairs - and in that case then having Dale clear me is probably more useful than a role result from me on Martin, since I'm not cleared). I'm not willing to commit to not protecting myself unless there's a plan that gives us a guaranteed win.

If Nikolai is town then the X factor complicates things; I think it pushes us back in favour of not fastkilling anyone. So I'd request Bike to explain as clearly - and with as few assumptions - as possible, the basis on which Mei-Fan should decide whether to kill tonight; I'm not confident of my own reasoning here, and she'll have to make the decision quite quickly and under pressure.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 5

« on: May 09, 2010, 03:24:19 PM »

Right, no putting this off any longer; I've done a full reread of suspects and flipped scum. Plenty on Daniels wrt play and voting, but no point bringing that up given that even he agrees his play is bad; if people think he's cleared on roles there's no arguing with that.

Daniels: It's not power X itself that makes me think my role results clear Kolmogorov more than you, it's the fact that he just has three seemingly-random powers. Returning "Vanilla" to rolecops seems a sensible role. Returning ZOMG ALL THE ROLES EVAR, as it seems Kyle did, makes sense. Returning an arbitrary sprinkling of three seems utterly insane. But I accept that's no longer a good enough reason to rule anything out.

One minor, very WIFOMy point against Andrews comes from O'Malley's:

He's talking about what Hellsnake should have known.  Now, what I find interesting is that what Martin seems to feel that scumsnake should know isn't Bike's alignment, but his role.  Specifically, he should have a better idea of what Bike's role is than if he were town, which implies that Scum know more than was stated publically. Which raises the question, if scum do know this, then how does Martin know that scum know this?

Andrews quickly refutes this, of course; he hadn't actually made such a slip. The reason this is interesting is it makes more sense for O'Malley to be confused if he had reason to believe Andrews had slipped, because Andrews was scum, than if Andrews was town.
More seriously we have the end of day 3. Here he strongly implies Hayles will be top of his scumlist; then here, no mention of Hayles at all, he's on Handley, with the added irony that it's for dropping his case on his #1 suspect.
End of day 4 also looks bad; Andrews umms and aahs about O'Malley right up to here, before finally voting him very late on.

Start of day 4, Andrews goes after three townies. But the interesting thing is he's right; until Peyton hammered, there were three town on Kolmogorov, with four scum alive, in potential LYLO. It seems astonishing that scum would not have lynched Kolmogorov at that point, unless he was one of their own.

I still think Nikolai's contributions were better than Andrews', at least when he was making them, but that's not proof, and his failure to deliver his promised wall was poor. Another thing is that even though he's managed to force Andrews into a roleclaim with it, I don't recall us ever getting any proof that Nikolai actually has role results. Most importantly, back on day 2, Kolmogorov puts Hellsnake to L-1 because he finds bulletproof miller reviver too implausible a role; given Nikolai's own role, that looks very bad. The only reason I'm not outright declaring him scum for this is that Pietro was actually town too so it's a stupid scum move.

Finally, there's the fact that Nikolai has said he's fine with being lynched today. Which I can't see being the case if he were really what he seemed; I may be missing something, but to my eyes power X becomes far more useful at LYLO than at any other time. So at this point I think we give him what he asks for. ##UnFoS, ##FoS: Nikolai Kolmogorov.

Short post to follow on the fastkill, I've already spent hours on this. 7 ninjas, will read them next.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 5

« on: May 08, 2010, 08:17:58 PM »

Sorry, did Chad actually claim to have targeted Jack? I don't remember it and couldn't see it on a quick look through his posts.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 5

« on: May 08, 2010, 06:12:28 PM »

If we lynch SnowFire does that count as a "happily ever after"?

Anyway. This breaks open Bike's nice box. We have two scum left alive, and putting aside my good self, only one person without some degree of clear on them, namely Andrews. We have mod-confirmation on Bike, and external confirmation (barring a counterclaim which would shock me even after this much insanity) for Mei-Fan and Greaves. Which leaves Andrews and Kolmogorov, but I also think Daniels isn't absolutely clear; "returns vanilla to rolecops" strikes me as a far more sensible godfather-type ability than "returns Miller Rolecop X to rolecops", particularly since it would sort-of match Handley's role. I can't judge how obvious I was in pushing him at the start of day 3, but from here I can well imagine him realising I had a role result from what I said. The initial miller claim of course makes sense as scum, both to protect himself from "proper" cops and to get Hellsnake lynched. The one niggle here is how well it fits in with Hutchins' role, but I can see that being deliberate setup - it's a bastardy role combination, sure, but at this point everything's bastard modding to a greater or lesser extent. On that basis I don't think it's too much of a stretch to imagine that scum received some kind of hint that such a role existed. (Or they happened to hit Chad with a role investigation night 1 - unlikely, sure, but everything's unlikely now)

All of which proves nothing, of course. Maybe Nikolai really is scum, Daniels really is town, and I'm just overthinking things. But while he's been posting a lot more than the Russian, I don't remember a whole lot of what Daniels has been saying, and with this much insanity around I don't think we should be writing him off on roles any more than we should be Kolmogorov.

That said, I don't think he's my prime suspect for today. While we must be dealing with one crazy role-godfather (and that's in addition to the docfather, but given no real cops that's less wtf than it might be), and even given all that's happened, I'm not yet willing to believe in both Kolmogorov and Daniels being scum. I'm aware that for the rest of you, going by pure rolelogic makes me the prime target, but I have to follow my own principles.
##FoS: Martin Andrews; will do a full reread of the three of them and place my vote either this evening or tomorrow, but I don't expect to be anywhere else.

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 5

« on: May 08, 2010, 03:59:28 PM »

Analysis to come in a bit, but for now I'll just say that, crazy as it may seem, Bard/Dale/Mei-Fan's story checks out. I actually received two role results for him, one that said he was cop (no sanity given) and one that said he was vigilante. Not "killer" or anything but explicitly "vigilante", which was why I was so confused that anyone would lie about it. ##Unvote, ##Vote: Snowfire

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 5

« on: May 08, 2010, 03:10:04 PM »

Sure

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Forum Games / Re: Cthulu Mafia - Day 5

« on: May 08, 2010, 02:58:26 PM »

Because I investigated you last night. I'll give you a chance to say anything you want before I say anything more.