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About what?
If the game ends here, Helga, I won't be mad. I'll just be disappointed.
Okay then, so you cared. I still don't see why you hold that against me that I would ask Tanaka for an explanation, especially in light of your "reason enough to make an effort" towards a Mai lynch.Because, uh. What is there to explain?
I don't agree with your statement about town deserving to lose at all. Yes, all lurkers being town is bad. However, it's the ones who DO win that are the ones who deserved to win. Everything else is just jerking off and backpatting to make yourself feel better. Scum hasn't won yet, so if you are town, don't say defeatist crap like that.It was as a response to your 'Oh but maybe all the lurkers are Town we'd better start accusing the active players who tried to lynch lurkers!' argument. To that I say 'if scum can post actively, contribute, give opinions and so on without giving scum tells, then they've earned the win'. Scum lurk because lurking means they can refrain from making comments that come back to bite them in the ass later. Town, conversely, wants to talk as much as possible, so if LAL fails because Town is lazy it's not because LAL is wrong, it's because the Town players are bad.
The only thing I can say is about the last post he made... YOU were one of those two votes on Mai at the time Tanaka hammered. If you think that Leia was a forgone conclusion at that point and thought she was a better lynch than Leia at the time... why weren't YOU more concerned about the timing of Tanaka's hammer, especially when Maya had ALSO just voted Mai before you and there WAS momentum shifting?Because momentum WASN'T shifting. There were, uh, two people who wanted a Mai lynch. You and Margaret (who weren't around to change your votes AT ALL coming up to deadline) still had votes lying on Leia. Leia wasn't around to pass along a vote, Tanaka had said that he found Mai incredibly Townie, Tron said that Leia had basically given her no choice but to vote her, and Rin was nowhere as usual but had expressed the same desire to lynch Leia as just about everyone else. I knew full well that voting Mai had a near-zero chance of actually changing the lynch so late in the day, but that wasn't enough of a reason to not make an effort.
Probably still too late, but hell if I'm not gonna try.
Leia is incredibly scummy! But maybe also a stupid townie bombing themselves! But if so she's even worse! And also calling me scum for no reason! (or, rather, for "being slimy" which is apparently different from "being too charismatic" which is also scummy what) What do I do!"Hey there! Don't mind me! I'm just covering my bases so I can say I was suspicious of Leia but also disapprove of what will turn out to be a Townie lynch!"
Bolded statement is awful reasoning, Li, and the sort of comment that's had me looking at you all game (I am increasingly thinking that it's more bad reasoning than ill intent just because it's so consistent; a backhanded compliment, I'm aware, but you're just uncoordinated in a way that says clueless town more than flailing scum). Speculating on why scum killed who they killed is worse than pointless. It's completely unreliable and only propagates the kind of confusion they like.You realise that there's a reason I'm not going 'HOLY SHIT MAYA DIED TRON IS OBVSCUM', right? My vote is sitting on the player who I feel is scummiest, regardless of teams.
I also fail to understand what about my exchange with Rin says anything to you about us being a scumteam. I looked back at the post you linked and you really don't go into that possibility at all there. Actually, you mostly just nod your head at Rin's case, your only misgiving being that she doesn't couple it with a vote. Do you have an actual explanation here?Rin's only unique, original contribution was the point she made against you. It's actually the first solid and genuine point I've seen her produce all game, but she then proceeds to not follow up on it. Never mind the fact that both days you've been lingering safely in third place or so when she declares her suspects.
Tohsaka: We seem to agree at the very least that Li's A/B theories about Houllihan were offbase. You are working with slightly more info (Li's quick-flip to Mai afterwards), but we came to the same conclusion. Leaving out what I said about Mai, what exactly about my post is non-sensical?Either this was a typo on Helga's part, or she's giving Rin credit for a point she, uh, never made.
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On Rin: Her one post of the day had more content than Leia, Mai and others. However, it's inexcusable that she hasn't shown up since so you can't really count it in her favor. Seriously. Post more.
As for mistakes, I'm... not seeing them. Unless you try to claim that Chiaki didn't unvote someone pointlessly without voting for someone else, which either he definetly did on D1, or I'm blind - as that was the main argument behind my case.My point was that you hastily threw on the 'oh, and Mai is a close second' at the end of that point, without explaining why Mai was second. You do this at the end of a paragraph on empty unvoting - yes, Chiaki was guilty of this, but you accuse Mai of it when she did no such thing. And pointed out as much here. And Tanaka had conveniently made the same mistake in an earlier case. Apparently, you buy into this case so much that Mai is your definite second place ahead of Asuka/Tron, and yet you don't actually offer any reasoning for your vote on Mai beyond 'same as Chiaki did but not as bad'. I don't understand why I need to repeat this when I said as much here earlier.
Very much so. I don't believe you're capable of being objective about me any more. It's neither reasonable nor healthy to be as rock-hard convinced about someone day one as you were about me. I have been in your shoes before and recognize all the signs of the obsessed townie. Probably as you're reading this post there's that hot, tense feeling in your chest, elevated heartrate, that screaming rage in your head yelling, "It's plain as day she's scum, why won't anyone else see reason?" This is what's now doing your thinking for you.I will note the hypocrisy in 'Maya tunneling on me is okay, Li tunneling on Asuka is bad'. Beside the whole 'you are clearly not thinking straight if you are voting for me' attitude that I'm getting here which feels like some sort of Appeal to Common Sense or something.
Don't lynch Li, she's not scum.Look, we REALLY need to go over this gender thing.
Li seems like a misguided townie that seems to be talking out of her assDammit, it was one stupid school play! Can't we just let it go!?
I don't like the way Li presents a case on me, obviously, it grates to be told 'you haven't commented on ANYTHING ELSE', which seems like a nice way of ignoring what I have said as though it's irrelevant.Irrelevant? No. Blindingly obvious? Yes. Easily attributable to real-life circumstances, and corrected by contribution almost the instant D2 started? Yes.
Privates Pataki and Li, stand to attention! Alright, I may not be wanting to call the MPs on the pair of you just yet, but things are too quiet, and I want to hear the pair of you talk more. So tell me what you think about Private Tohsaka. You lot seem to be good at squeezing out excuses for why other people who've only said one thing are bad, so let's hear what you have to say about her.Tohsaka I let pass in the lurking charges because she cited connection issues and because unlike the Leia/Mai pair produced some actual analysis. Though giving the wall she posted another pass, the second paragraph is very...odd.
On the contrary, I dislike the people unvoting without revoting much more than the odd remaining lurker (especially because, well, why unvote Asuka? I don't think she was anywhere near danger for a quicklynch, not to mention quicklynching on D1 is stupid and counterproductive for all alignments involved and nobody would ever do that oh my god). I'll go as far as to say that Chiaki stands out worse here ("your D1 reading sucks", eh? well so does mine - and I'm not going to take that line of thought - especially given that we must lynch someone today regardless, so you're not going to get away with being lazy with your voting here), ##Vote: Chiaki, though Mai is a very close second.Mai gets a last-minute 'oh yeah her too' mention here despite the fact that half of the points made here are on Chiaki alone. Oh, and there's also the fact that on the charge being brought up (namely in terms of empty unvoting) Mai has no relation. And she had already pointed out as much earlier. It's like Rin just took Tanaka's case and found a fancy-worded way to agree with it, without so much as bothering to check if his reasoning was actually right.
##Unvote: Captain LanglyI don't care if Miss Langley has since flipped Town, I want an explanation for this. What answer did she give you here to quantify clearing her?
Her answer's satisfied me enough that I don't think she should be court-marshalled just yet.
It's clear there's an Angel in our group! So you're saying this boy has magical powers? That's not normal at all!
