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Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« on: July 15, 2008, 05:29:58 AM »
Results
Elvis 63.33% (19-11 (8-4; 12-7))
Kartikeya 59.4% (19-13 (6-7; 13-6))
Marcello 59% (23-16 (8-13; 13-5))
Galcian 56.8% (25-19 (9-13; 16-6))
Artea 56.7% (34-26 (9-20; 26-7))
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Demi 47.2% (25-28 (11-14; 14-15))
Tibarn 45.2% (14-17 (5-11; 9-7))

Bosses, especially WA 5 sentinels, dominate. PCs get sent home.

This Week
Zero- MMXCM contestant 1, the physical tank with the massive limit smash!
X- MMXCM contestant 2, the physical cannon with the massive limit smash!
Naesala- Can he outperform Tibarn?
Barbarossa- Will move restrictions hold him down!
Wugui- Perennial contestant, magic spoiler, and PC slayer!
Worker 8- Perennial contestant, magic spoiler...and uh, yeah, magic spoiler.
Riou- - The DL's best Holy damage!

The Matches
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Ryu 4
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Ness
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Songi
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Lugia
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Rika
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Zio
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Rapp
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Jerin
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Asellus
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Grenseal
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Percival (S3)
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Richard (S5)
      
X (MMXCM)   vs   Ryu 4
X (MMXCM)   vs   Ness
X (MMXCM)   vs   Songi
X (MMXCM)   vs   Lugia
X (MMXCM)   vs   Rika
X (MMXCM)   vs   Zio
X (MMXCM)   vs   Rapp
X (MMXCM)   vs   Jerin
X (MMXCM)   vs   Asellus
X (MMXCM)   vs   Grenseal
X (MMXCM)   vs   Percival (S3)
X (MMXCM)   vs   Richard (S5)
      
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Ryu 4
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Ness
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Songi
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Lugia
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Rika
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Zio
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Rapp
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Jerin
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Asellus
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Grenseal
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Percival (S3)
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Richard (S5)
      
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Ryu 4
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Ness
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Songi
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Lugia
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Rika
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Zio
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Rapp
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Jerin
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Asellus
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Grenseal
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Percival (S3)
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Richard (S5)

      
Wugui   vs   Ryu 4
Wugui   vs   Ness
Wugui   vs   Songi
Wugui   vs   Lugia
Wugui   vs   Rika
Wugui   vs   Zio
Wugui   vs   Rapp
Wugui   vs   Jerin
Wugui   vs   Asellus
Wugui   vs   Grenseal
Wugui   vs   Percival (S3)
Wugui   vs   Richard (S5)
      
Worker 8   vs   Ryu 4
Worker 8   vs   Ness
Worker 8   vs   Songi
Worker 8   vs   Lugia
Worker 8   vs   Rika
Worker 8   vs   Zio
Worker 8   vs   Rapp
Worker 8   vs   Jerin
Worker 8   vs   Asellus
Worker 8   vs   Grenseal
Worker 8   vs   Percival (S3)
Worker 8   vs   Richard (S5)
      
Riou   vs   Ryu 4
Riou   vs   Ness
Riou   vs   Songi
Riou   vs   Lugia
Riou   vs   Rika
Riou   vs   Zio
Riou   vs   Rapp
Riou   vs   Jerin
Riou   vs   Asellus
Riou   vs   Grenseal
Riou   vs   Percival (S3)
Riou   vs   Richard (S5)
« Last Edit: July 15, 2008, 07:47:37 AM by Dhyerwolf »
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2008, 05:57:19 AM »
Am I the only one amused by the fact that X and Zero of the single RPG appearance have their game flagged, but Barbarossa of the two Heavies actually ranked does not? (I mean, I'm 99% sure it's VP, but still.)

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2008, 06:05:02 AM »
Barbarossa vs. Ryu 4 - Barbarossa can't really do much about Ryu getting his first turn even if you allow spammable CB. Gogogo Fire resistance.
Barbarossa vs. Ness - Ness 3HKOs Barbie, and mocks the Lightning damage. That's that.
Barbarossa vs. Songi - I guess.
Barbarossa vs. Lugia - No.
Barbarossa vs. Rika - Har. Calamity Blast may become survivable after factoring her Fire halving, and she probably kills before that anyway? Barbie's HP needs some work.
Barbarossa vs. Zio - Um, yeah. Barbarossa's HP really needs work.
Barbarossa vs. Rapp - Rapp doesn't 2HKO. That's that.
Barbarossa vs. Jerin - Mirror makes this ugly.
Barbarossa vs. Asellus - Asellus gets a turn and proceeds to utterly own Barbie. Easy.
Barbarossa vs. Grenseal - 2HKOs first.
Barbarossa vs. Percival (S3) - Wow, talk about spoiling. Silent Lake destroys Barbie's offense, and his accuracy against Percival just ain't working. Wow.
      
Wugui vs. Ryu 4 - Ryu4 resisting ID makes this pretty one-sided.
Wugui vs. Ness - Game of Death.
Wugui vs. Songi - Wugui against a boss he doesn't spoil? Bwahahahaha.
Wugui vs. Lugia - ;_;
Wugui vs. Rika - Damnit!
Wugui vs. Zio - Man, this is ugly.
Wugui vs. Rapp - Uh, Rapp's faster and immunes ID, IIRC. That's game.
Wugui vs. Jerin - Assuming GoD doesn't get through Mirror, of course. Otherwise, the match goes upside down.
Wugui vs. Asellus - Physical ID immune vs. Wugui. Healthy sign of splat.
Wugui vs. Grenseal - Game of Death.
Wugui vs. Percival (S3) - Game of Death!
      
Worker 8 vs. Ryu 4 - This is ugly.
Worker 8 vs. Ness - Compress just seals the deal here. Ness physicals are really epic.
Worker 8 vs. Songi - Not a bad match, but Songi's damage with physicals is pretty good.
Worker 8 vs. Lugia - I... think? There's a massive speed split here, and Lugia's tanky on all counts that matter.
Worker 8 vs. Rika - Dons two claws, one of them being a Thunderclaw. That should make Worker weep.
Worker 8 vs. Zio - Ow.
Worker 8 vs. Rapp - Um, yeah.
Worker 8 vs. Jerin - Compress at worst.
Worker 8 vs. Asellus - ID immunity kinda clinches this dead. Asellus is really retarded once she transforms.
Worker 8 vs. Grenseal - God.
Worker 8 vs. Percival (S3) - The pain.
      
Riou vs. Ryu 4 - Unless Ryu halves Holy or better, that's a OHKO here.
Riou vs. Ness - O_o Riou OHKOs. GodDAMN.
Riou vs. Songi - I... think Riou 2HKOs with FS+physical. What the fuck.
Riou vs. Lugia - OHKOs and takes his blessings for FS being ITD.
Riou vs. Rika - Elim!
Riou vs. Zio - o_O I think Riou 3HKOs with FS+physicals, and 4-3ing means he gets enough time to stall until a double, and odds are he's thwacking with Berserked physicals to boot. Dear god, the weakness to Holy clinches it. I seriously underrated Riou in the past.  
Riou vs. Rapp - I think he's faster?
Riou vs. Jerin - Faster and Mirror. May look back at it, though, since I'm having some doubts about seeing Mirror own FS.
Riou vs. Asellus - More splat.
Riou vs. Grenseal - Ow.
Riou vs. Percival (S3) - Academic.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2008, 07:46:52 AM »
Am I the only one amused by the fact that X and Zero of the single RPG appearance have their game flagged, but Barbarossa of the two Heavies actually ranked does not? (I mean, I'm 99% sure it's VP, but still.)

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 08:03:42 AM »
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Ryu 4- Ryu 4
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Ness- Ness. Pure physical against Ness…bad idea.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Songi- Songi. Very durable.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Lugia- Zero. Think Absolute Zero strikes me as more Ice than water.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Rika- Rika. Zero had no ITE, right?
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Zio- Zero. Speed boosting gives him the needed turns.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Rapp- Zero. Blocks ID, Rapp in Heavy without ID.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Jerin- Zero. Will get to giant smash damage.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Asellus- Zero
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Grenseal- Zero
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Percival (S3)- Zero. Percival can’t kill quickly.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Richard (S5)- Zero. Richard doesn’t KO him, speed boost Hyper, and then Zero gets two turns that do like 75% PC HP damage.
     
X (MMXCM)   vs   Ryu 4- Ryu 4
X (MMXCM)   vs   Ness- Ness. Pure physical against Ness…bad idea.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Songi- Songi. Very durable.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Lugia- X. Lightning is a painful thing here.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Rika- Rika. X had no ITE, right?
X (MMXCM)   vs   Zio- X. Speed boosting gives him the needed turns.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Rapp- X. Blocks ID, Rapp in Heavy without ID.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Jerin- X. See above.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Asellus- X
X (MMXCM)   vs   Grenseal- X
X (MMXCM)   vs   Percival (S3)- X. Percival can’t kill quickly.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Richard (S5)- Richard. X doesn’t go first here, which kind of kills it.
     
Barbarossa   vs   Ryu 4- Ryu 4.
Barbarossa   vs   Ness- Barbarossa. Ness may not be OHKOed, but he’s infinitely heal locked by someone slightly faster.
Barbarossa   vs   Songi- Songi. Lots of HP.
Barbarossa   vs   Lugia- Lugia. Magic tank, go first, heal until doubles.
Barbarossa   vs   Rika- Rika. 70% Fire res works well.
Barbarossa   vs   Zio- Barbarossa. Zio’s durability is a fair amount less than Songi’s.
Barbarossa   vs   Rapp- Barbarossa. Massive Fire smash.
Barbarossa   vs   Jerin- Barbarossa. Ignores Reflect Sorcery.
Barbarossa   vs   Asellus- Barbarossa
Barbarossa   vs   Grenseal- Barbarossa
Barbarossa   vs   Percival (S3)- Barbarossa
Barbarossa   vs   Richard (S5)- Richard
     
Wugui   vs   Ryu 4- Ryu 4
Wugui   vs   Ness- Wugui
Wugui   vs   Songi- Songi
Wugui   vs   Lugia- Wugui
Wugui   vs   Rika- Wugui
Wugui   vs   Zio- Zio
Wugui   vs   Rapp- Wugui. Wugui has a little over 1.2 PC HP. Rapp is a bit below average damage. Nice try Rapp!
Wugui   vs   Jerin- Jerin
Wugui   vs   Asellus- Wugui
Wugui   vs   Grenseal- Wugui
Wugui   vs   Percival (S3)- Wugui
Wugui   vs   Richard (S5)- Wugui. 1.2 PC HP, Richard does about 1.15 PC HP damage on turn 1.
     
Worker 8   vs   Ryu 4- Ryu 4.
Worker 8   vs   Ness- Worker 8. Close match, but Ness only has 4 turns to kill Worker 8. W8 takes care of 2/3 of his own HP…and Ness would get the other parts, if he didn’t have to heal once.
Worker 8   vs   Songi- Songi. Durable with good damage.
Worker 8   vs   Lugia- Worker 8.
Worker 8   vs   Rika- Rika. Saner gives her enough time to outslug.
Worker 8   vs   Zio- Zio.
Worker 8   vs   Rapp- Worker 8
Worker 8   vs   Jerin- Jerin. Unlike Ness, Jerin only needs 3 turns to do this, and she’s getting in 2 doubles.
Worker 8   vs   Asellus- Worker 8.
Worker 8   vs   Grenseal- Worker 8. Wrong Lightning Grenseal!
Worker 8   vs   Percival (S3)- Worker 8
Worker 8   vs   Richard (S5)- Richard.
     
Riou   vs   Ryu 4- Riou
Riou   vs   Ness- Ness. Riou can’t OHKO him, but Ness can status Riou on turn 1.
Riou   vs   Songi- Songi. Durable with good damage.
Riou   vs   Lugia- Riou. ITD=not Lugia’s friend here.
Riou   vs   Rika- Rika
Riou   vs   Zio- Riou. Weak to Light=Ouch.
Riou   vs   Rapp- Riou
Riou   vs   Jerin- Jerin. Faster, FS gets hit by anti-magic stuff in game, right?
Riou   vs   Asellus- Riou
Riou   vs   Grenseal- Riou
Riou   vs   Percival (S3)- Riou
Riou   vs   Richard (S5)- Riou. Faster.

Wugui 8-4 (3-3; 5-1) (Damn lucky too, since Richard and Rapp barely both didn’t have the damage to beat him in time)
Riou 8-4 (3-3; 5-1)
Zero 8-4 (2-4; 6-0)
Barbarossa 7-5 (2-4; 5-1)
X    7-5 (3-3; 4-2)
Worker 6-6 (2-4; 4-2)
« Last Edit: July 15, 2008, 08:34:28 AM by Dhyerwolf »
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2008, 02:03:29 PM »
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Ryu 4
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Songi
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Rika
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Zio
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Rapp
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Jerin.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Grenseal
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Percival (S3)
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Richard (S5)

     
Wugui   vs   Ryu 4
Wugui   vs   Songi
Wugui   vs   Rika
Wugui   vs   Zio
Wugui   vs   Rapp- I.. think? Rapp's damage was not good.
Wugui   vs   Jerin-  Unsure.
Wugui   vs   Asellus
Wugui   vs   Grenseal
Wugui   vs   Percival (S3)
Wugui   vs   Richard (S5)
   
Worker 8   vs   Ryu 4
Worker 8   vs   Songi- Unsure. HP vs counters here.
Worker 8   vs   Rika- Right, she can't be countered with Doubleslash.
Worker 8   vs   Zio
Worker 8   vs   Rapp- Unsure.
Worker 8   vs   Jerin
Worker 8   vs   Asellus
Worker 8   vs   Grenseal
Worker 8   vs   Percival (S3)
Worker 8   vs   Richard (S5)
     
Riou   vs   Ryu 4
Riou   vs   Songi- FS takes too much out of his physical.
Riou   vs   Rika
Riou   vs   Zio- Ouch.
Riou   vs   Rapp- Death sword.
Riou   vs   Jerin
Riou   vs   Asellus
Riou   vs   Grenseal
Riou   vs   Percival (S3)
Riou   vs   Richard (S5)- Think Riou can survive a single Richard turn.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2008, 03:50:04 PM »
Worker 8   vs   Lugia - Can Lugia even damage Worker 8?  Aeroblast is nulled, Hydro Pump and Future Sight check mdef so they don't work... oh wait, Ancientpower.  That... I think I wouldn't see that getting immuned, not 100% sure.  Too bad it's a  4HKO before factoring in Defense Up.  Best case scenario I can see is 5HKOing after recoil... possibly plausible, I'd need to check numbers there.  I think Lugia gets the 5/4 turnsplit, but it also needs to heal to avoid dying from Compress damage.  Sorry, no dice.
Worker 8   vs   Rika - Doubleslash should avoid counters, which seals it.
Worker 8   vs   Zio - Unless I'm totally misremembering and his physical damage sucked ass.
Worker 8   vs   Asellus - Think Asellus needs MagicHeal to win here; HP is the one stat she can't boost upon transforming and that's the only one that matters to Worker.  Still, I allow MagicHeal for the time being, so she can win on doubleturns easily enough.

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2008, 04:23:27 PM »
Lugia can damage Worker 8 if you take him from any gen prior to 4. I personally go by whatever the PKMN's best gen is that that they have some significance in i.e. Lugia and friends are gen 2, gen 1 starters and legends are either that OR gen 3 through FRLG. Plus, I haven't played gen 4.

With this in mind, Lugia can Aeroblast Worker 8 in gen 2 or 3, since it's a Flying type move which is physical in the first 3 gens. Don't think it matters against Worker's durability and ITD damage, but it's worth mentioning.

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2008, 05:23:39 PM »
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Ryu 4
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Ness
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Lugia
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Rika- Speed Wars! But I think Rika has enough tricks to win
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Zio
Naesala (FE 9)    vs   Rapp
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Jerin
Naesala (FE 9)    vs   Asellus
Naesala (FE 9)    vs   Grenseal
Naesala (FE 9)    vs   Percival (S3)
Naesala (FE 9)    vs   Richard (S5)
     
Worker 8   vs   Ryu 4
Worker 8   vs   Ness
Worker 8    vs   Lugia
Worker 8   vs   Rika
Worker 8   vs   Zio
Worker 8    vs   Rapp
Worker 8    vs   Jerin- Unless Jerin had Confuse?
Worker 8   vs  Asellus
Worker 8   vs   Grenseal
Worker 8   vs   Percival (S3)
Worker 8   vs   Richard (S5)
     
Riou   vs   Ryu 4
Riou   vs   Ness
Riou   vs   Lugia
Riou    vs   Rika
Riou   vs   Zio
Riou    vs   Rapp
Riou   vs   Jerin
Riou    vs   Asellus
Riou    vs   Grenseal
Riou    vs   Percival (S3)- Percy had Silent Lake! Yeah, but Riou goes first!
Riou    vs   Richard (S5)

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2008, 05:36:43 PM »
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Ryu 4 - Not feeling Barbarossa respect
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Ness - Yep.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Songi - I should probably abstain here, seeing as how I haven't seen Songi's final form.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Lugia - Tanky.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Rika - Resists fire
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Zio - My Zio respect is well into the negatives
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Rapp - No.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Jerin - Uncertain
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Asellus - Possibly.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Grenseal - Grenseal was the one with the Thunder Rune, right?  Probably doesn't matter either way.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Percival (S3) - No vote
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Richard (S5) - No vote

Worker 8   vs   Ryu 4 - Is obvious.
Worker 8   vs   Ness - Is more obvious.
Worker 8   vs   Songi - No vote
Worker 8   vs   Lugia - Think Lugia has the tools to handle this
Worker 8   vs   Rika - Yep.
Worker 8   vs   Zio - When in doubt, I disrespect Zio.
Worker 8   vs   Rapp - Not happening
Worker 8   vs   Jerin - Again!
Worker 8   vs   Asellus - Yep.
Worker 8   vs   Grenseal - Suiko1 physicals.  Ha.
Worker 8   vs   Percival (S3) - No vote
Worker 8   vs   Richard (S5) - No vote

Riou   vs   Ryu 4 - Ryu can't get Holy resistance.  Ha.
Riou   vs   Ness - Think Ness can take a Forgiver Sign.
Riou   vs   Songi - No vote
Riou   vs   Lugia - Lugia, however, cannot.
Riou   vs   Rika - Eliminat.  Ha.
Riou   vs   Zio - Haha Zio.
Riou   vs   Rapp - No.
Riou   vs   Jerin - Depends if Forgiver Sign gets blocked by Mirror.
Riou   vs   Asellus - Yep.
Riou   vs   Grenseal - More yep.
Riou   vs   Percival (S3)
Riou   vs   Richard (S5)

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2008, 07:47:54 PM »
Lugia can damage Worker 8 if you take him from any gen prior to 4. I personally go by whatever the PKMN's best gen is that that they have some significance in i.e. Lugia and friends are gen 2, gen 1 starters and legends are either that OR gen 3 through FRLG. Plus, I haven't played gen 4.

With this in mind, Lugia can Aeroblast Worker 8 in gen 2 or 3, since it's a Flying type move which is physical in the first 3 gens. Don't think it matters against Worker's durability and ITD damage, but it's worth mentioning.

Can't vote on enough of the enemies to bother voting on Naesala and Wugui, by the by.

But Flying is also usually taken as Wind, so Aeroblast wouldn't work too well there. And any votes are good votes!
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 10:57:59 PM »
Aeroblast is specifically the number 1 reason I consider Flying=Wind, it's such an obvious wind move to me, so... yeah.

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2008, 02:08:50 AM »
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Lugia: Isn't doubled, and not giving Naesala counters against Aeroblast, which is also hitting that nice wind weakness. So. Much pain.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Percival (S3)

Wugui beats both.
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2008, 02:31:20 AM »
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Worker 8   vs   Zio - Unless I'm totally misremembering and his physical damage sucked ass.

Just verifying that Zio's damage is indeed very good.  Its actually close to Black Wave in power.  Can't remember which is stronger...though, in game, Zio's physical > Black Wave given Barrier > Deban (Demi's Strength is somewhat higher than Rika's Mental, so yeah.)  Either way, its certainly enough here.

Might as well vote for characters I care about...

Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Ryu 4: Goes first, and Kaiser lasts far longer than Zero's hyper modes.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Ness: PSI Barrier -> Healing should outlast Zero.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Songi: Zero hits too hard, and Songi's damage gets worse over time.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Lugia: Ice Weakness lets him pull through.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Rika: Eliminate fails on Zero since he's a Mech!  Doesn't matter; Saner raises her evade to near perfect levels, and Zero's kind of screwed from there.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Zio: Zero's can either try to Blitz Zio in Black Zero, and get 2HKOed before he succeeds, or try to survive another turn in Absolute Zero...but he gets his damage resisted there, so it offsets that.  End result? Loss.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs  Rapp: EDIT: Apparently, DOA Guards are easily created in the FMG from storeboughts, which is enough for me to allow them!
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Jerin: She's not stopping him from getting off his Command Trigger.
Zero (MMXCM) vs   Asellus: I was originally thinking Glass Shield > Zero since pure melee doesn't really do much against it...but then I remembered Absolute Zero could afford to break the shield with one of his sub weapons, then attack regularly.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Grenseal: Grenseal 2HKOs regardless.  Zero does too!  Grenseal goes first, being significantly faster (above average vs. Below average).  Seems easy, right? Well, no, cause Zero gets 50% speed after his first turn, so its a question of who gets their second turn first.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Percival (S3): Healer vs. Zero.  Not really going over that well <_<.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Richard (S5): Goes first, seems like he can kill Zero off quickly.
     
X (MMXCM)   vs   Ryu 4: X-Fire + Ultimate Armor = Kaiser Dragon, is the way I see this fight.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Ness: Durable enough to survive X's 100 WE Attack, especially with Barrier.  Can simply heal from there to outlast the Hyper Mode.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Songi: X goes first, and outslugs Songi pretty easily.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Lugia: He isn't going first against Lugia, so he opts for Ice/Thunder Buster MkIII.  This should be enough to give him the win.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Rika: Unless Nova Strike is proven to ignore Evade, this fight seems pretty obvious.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Zio: X is a lot more durable than Zero, especially under X-Fire (halves all damage *AND* 150% HP), and of course, he's faster than Zio and has X-heart for one last decent shot at Zio.  Its enough to give him a win.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Rapp: Goes first, Hyper Mode, Rapp cries at how they're immune to status.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Jerin: Jerin can't really stop X from getting going.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Asellus: If nothing else, see Zero.  ALTERNATIVELY, I seem to recall Glass Shield doesn't do Broken Glass vs. Ranged attacks, only hitting Melee. 
X (MMXCM)   vs   Grenseal: Who goes first, not sure, probably Grenseal...in fact, I'll assume he does!  HOWEVER, X is definitely getting his second turn due to X-Heart.  Furthermore, he's likely to lap Grenseal after Ultimate Armor.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Percival (S3): Healer vs. X tends to go over about as well as Healer vs. Zero.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Richard (S5): X goes first.  Richard's speed glancing at the stat topic is in the tier that's just above average; that doesn't outspeed X to me.  That said, X gets his first turn regardless due to X-Heart, and easily laps Richard on Turn 2.
 
Before someone says "X is slower than Zero, how can he win these fights when Zero goes second??", I'd like to point out that X is actually MUCH FASTER than Zero.  The stat topic has X listed with the X Buster MkIII, which has higher defensive stats and is stronger...but lowers his speed by 20.  Turbo Buster is actually just as damaging in practice I'd wager (special feature of adding damage based on the WE Gauge; yes, this is a significant impact), and should be taken as X's default.  Hurts his durability some, admittedly, but the ability to go first and get in Hyper Mode before the enemy acts would offset this <_<

Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Ryu 4: Kaiser Dragon -> Ahryu P'ung.  Kinght Form's Breath Attack might work too.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Ness: PSI Barrier.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Songi: Think Songi gets outslugged.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Lugia: Aeroblast hits weakness.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs  Rika: Saner.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Zio: His physical has 100% accuracy, and 100% Crit rate for that matter, against Saner; its not having problems hitting Naesala.  Also, he has Hewn for wind damage.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Rapp: Death Sword.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Jerin: KOs first pretty easily.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Asellus: Glass Shield kind of rips him apart.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Grenseal: Outslugs, I think.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Percival (S3): The instant Percival goes on the offensive, he loses, since a counter + physical wins.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Richard (S5): not sure offhand!

FE9 Naesala is pretty damn clearly heavy.  He's worse than Tibarn in all ways barring offense against faster enemies, frankly, and FE9 Tibarn isn't a Godlike either.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2008, 07:12:03 PM »
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Ryu 4: Kaiserbreath is too much, here.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Lugia: Ice! Ow. But... hmm. Yeah, Lugia just 2HKOs faster? Needs to do 133 damage instead of 128, does 81 + 54 = ... 135. Yep.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Rika: Saner, whee. Deban makes even a lucky chain of Zero Dragon Slash survivable.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Zio: Zio 2HKOs even through the HP boost. One decent Command Arts isn't offing Zio first.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Rapp: ID blocker is storebought. Rapp is... not outslugging after that, surely. Zero offs him turn 2.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Grenseal: Grenseal's about 108% average, Zero is 95% -> 120% taking a rough approximation of MMXCM speed being linear+60 (though this underrates the very fast... eh, 92 speed isn't that). Averages 106. He really wishes this figure was higher.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Percival (S3): Weird fight. Yeah, "healer vs. Zero lol" is the kneejerk, but... thing is, Zero can't kill Percival. Too much defence. Zero's damage tops out at a mere 1.5PC physical, which Percy can take, and that's before Parry and his 10% water resistance. As such... yeah, Zero can't put on the pressure well either, due to only 3 turns in Hyper Mode. Thinking this is Percival's, but could be argued.
Zero (MMXCM)   vs   Richard (S5): Hyper Mode wards off the 2HKO, and Richard's parry doesn't work against techs.

X (MMXCM)   vs   Ryu 4: Kaiser is too tough against physicals, and the Breath one-shots UA and two-shots X-Fire. Meaning three hits needed to win, tops, and Ryu ends up faster.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Lugia: X just fails at putting on pressure. Everything he does gets Recovered from easily except his HAT, which obviously can not be spammed, and can not OHKO. Lugia stalls him out of hyper juice then makes the kill.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Rika: Saner/Deban makes a mess yet again, see Lugia.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Zio: Again, don't think X quite manages. Can't see him getting more than three (weak) Charge Colliders off, and Zio's definitely over 2PC.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Rapp: Well, there's an easy one.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Grenseal: Grenseal goes first, does a number on X. X then transforms, instant doubles, dies to the next hit, gets in a third attack. That's 1.5PC, good for the kill.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Percival (S3): X kinda fails against healers as tanky as Percival or Lugia. Bit unfair for him. Though it's... possible X can manage his Hyper turns here and pull it out. Needs to run Percival out of MP, though, so I'm skeptical. Also PARRYING BULLETS.
X (MMXCM)   vs   Richard (S5): X is generally a better Zero despite lower damage, so.

Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Ryu 4: More Kaiser smashing.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Lugia: Yeah, weakness-hitting Aeroblast. If you don't see that, things get interesting, but Naesala still takes less than half of Lugia's HP, so he can stall for Recover and smash on doubles well enough.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Rika: Saner saves me the worry of deciding if FE speed can ward off Elim. (It probably can.)
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Zio: 2HKOs with ranged ITE physical.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Rapp: I guess Death Sword is still turn 2?
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Grenseal: Finally, the evade lets him pull one out.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Percival (S3): Mm, due to counters and evade, I'll buy this one taking so long that Naesala eventually gets one of those really-low-% crits or something.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Richard (S5): Eh. Wins if Richard can't parry counters. If he can... gets interesting and massively headache-inducing.
     
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Ryu 4: Owns.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Lugia: Can tank a Calamity Blast if need be.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Rika: Hey, resisting fire is pretty cool.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Zio: 2HKOs, isn't 2HKOed.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Rapp: Rapp gets exploded by lightning magic or something.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Grenseal: 2HKOs first.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Percival (S3): Decent magic damage keeps Percival too tied up, and I doubt DL will work, since one lightning does leave him injured enough for Barbarossa to finish off? Maybe? Close, but eh.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Richard (S5): Does 40% lightning resistance let Richard avoid a 2HKO? I... uh... sure.

     
Wugui   vs   Ryu 4
Wugui   vs   Lugia: Woohoo Mdef.
Wugui   vs   Rika: *gives Rika Rune's MDef*
Wugui   vs   Zio
Wugui   vs   Rapp: Funny. Zuh at people seeing Wugui outslug, Rapp is no less damaging/durable and faster.
Wugui   vs   Grenseal
Wugui   vs   Percival (S3)
Wugui   vs   Richard (S5): And a polite WTF to anyone who sees Richard doing in one turn what Rapp fails to do in three.
     
Worker 8   vs   Ryu 4: Kaiserbreath.
Worker 8   vs   Lugia: Yeah, Lugia needs to be able to do non-elemental damage.
Worker 8   vs   Rika: Thunderclaw Doubleslash.
Worker 8   vs   Zio: Ranged physicals.
Worker 8   vs   Rapp: Rapp wants lightning damage.
Worker 8   vs   Grenseal: 2HKOs and that's that.
Worker 8   vs   Percival (S3): Yep.
Worker 8   vs   Richard (S5): 2HKOs in a pretty straightforward manner.
     
Riou   vs   Ryu 4: Kaboom.
Riou   vs   Lugia: Defence doesn't work!
Riou   vs   Rika: Quickdraw'd.
Riou   vs   Zio: If FS alone isn't enough, tank/berserk/heal/attack a few times will be.
Riou   vs   Rapp: More respect for his speed.
Riou   vs   Grenseal: Guess who's faster?
Riou   vs   Percival (S3): And again.
Riou   vs   Richard (S5): And oh dear, S5 missed Holy too.

Riou 7-1 (UPGRADE)
Worker 5-3
Wugui 4-4
Naesala 3-5
X 3-5
Barbarossa 2-6 (needs turn 1 Calamity Blast)
Zero 2-6 (thinking he's Heavy)

Odd field, it feels like, a bit. X doing worse than Worker 8 seems off for instance.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2008, 10:31:02 PM »
The Matches
     
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Ryu 4: Yeah.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Ness: Shield Beta.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Songi: Sure, why not. Anyways. Decent evade hurts his damage, durable enough otherwise, consistent damage.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Rika: All your base are belong to Saner.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Zio: Perfect accuracy, 2HKOs. Isn't 2 rounded.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Rapp: Dethsword work?
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Jerin: He doesn't one-round? Ice Ring Glaciers do their job along with the silly fast healing. Crits... could swing it in his favor, I guess. Whatever, I'll toss him a bone.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Asellus: Vortex beats Glass Shield?
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Grenseal
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Percival (S3): Ehhhh. I guess NEB might be physical immune and win that way, but I don't think he quite is.
Naesala (FE 9)   vs   Richard (S5): Pity Swallow wasn't ITE.
     
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Ryu 4: Halve fire, go to work?
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Ness: Heal lock works for me.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Songi
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Rika: Halve fire, go to work.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Zio: Might be 2HKOd and fail to 2HKO, though...
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Rapp
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Jerin: Fire Ring or Mirror for me. VP Reflect isn't nearly as all-encompassing as Mirror.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Asellus: Boomsticks.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Grenseal: Moar boomsticks.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Percival (S3): Still moar boomsticks.
Barbarossa (VP)   vs   Richard (S5): He could halve fire, right? Going first tips it in his favor then.

     
Wugui   vs   Ryu 4: bwahahaha.
Wugui   vs   Ness
Wugui   vs   Songi
Wugui   vs   Rika
Wugui   vs   Zio
Wugui   vs   Rapp: Justice.
Wugui   vs   Jerin: Mirror.
Wugui   vs   Asellus: ID immune physicals.
Wugui   vs   Grenseal
Wugui   vs   Percival (S3)
Wugui   vs   Richard (S5): Hmm. Kneejerk is he doesn't OHKO quite?

Worker 8   vs   Ryu 4
Worker 8   vs   Ness
Worker 8   vs   Songi
Worker 8   vs   Rika: Oh. Could smack weakness with her Doubleslash?
Worker 8   vs   Zio
Worker 8   vs   Rapp
Worker 8   vs   Jerin: Ring damage average means the physicals aren't enough. Ironic.
Worker 8   vs   Asellus: Thinking there was enough damage after mystic change.
Worker 8   vs   Grenseal
Worker 8   vs   Percival (S3): Granted, he doesn't care about counters... eh.
Worker 8   vs   Richard (S5): Too much raw physical damage, I suspect.
     
Riou   vs   Ryu 4: Missed Holy? Oh well!
Riou   vs   Ness: Forgiver Sign was over 170% PCHP? Bah, whatever. I don't give a damn.
Riou   vs   Songi: Probably isn't OHKOd or heal locked with the cannon?
Riou   vs   Rika
Riou   vs   Zio: Zio was weak to Holy, no?
Riou   vs   Rapp
Riou   vs   Jerin: Faster. Mirror gets everything.
Riou   vs   Asellus: Boom.
Riou   vs   Grenseal: Boom.
Riou   vs   Percival (S3): Boom.
Riou   vs   Richard (S5): Boom.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2008, 10:15:18 PM »
Close this around Midnight tonight (Pacific).
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Prelims 3
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2008, 10:02:32 AM »
And by tonight, I now mean Friday, when I'm not grappling with a 10 hour work day! Vote!
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