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AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« on: October 29, 2008, 10:47:11 PM »
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2008, 11:16:55 PM »
... Wow, I really love that HAGANEBUSHI song. >_> Is there any chance there's an MP3 floating around? My google-fu is weak.
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2008, 11:58:56 PM »
View source of the putfile page, search for ".mp3" and plug the address that brings up into your browser.
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2008, 12:03:50 AM »
You're such a criminal!

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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2008, 02:04:23 AM »
HAGANEBUSHI - Holy Knight (Kotetsu Reiki: Steeldom) vs Ailsean - Terra in Black (Final Fantasy 6) - Wow. I am seriously impressed with Haganebushi. I might even go so far as to say that it's champ material.
ReactorZer0 - Spark Castle ~ Doom Mandrill (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest & Mega Man X) vs Gyakuten Saiban 3 Original Soundtrack Bonus Disc - Gyakuten Saiban 3 - Special Blend Mix (Phoenix Wright 3) - I wanted to like the Phoenix Wright track. Really I did. Unfortunately, it kept switching gears too quickly for me to get too attached to one tune. Spark Castle is solid enough to win this one, I think.
Cave Story Remix Project - Smoothie Brace (Cave Story) vs Hyadain - Appearance of Golbez's Four Lords of the Elements (Final Fantasy 4) - Close match. Took me a while to decide on a winner here.
Ar tonelico Hymmnos concert Side Blue -Reading the Stars ~Hoshiyomi~ - Dancing Girl (Ar tonelico) vs Orchestral Game Concert - The Legend of Zelda Theme (The Legend of Zelda series) - Not impressed with either, really.

Atelier Iris ETERNAL MANA 2 Arranged Tracks RED LUCIFER RISING - Slasher Blue (Atelier Iris 2) vs Ghetto Lee Lewis - Teach Me How To Rave (Final Fantasy Tactics) - Hey, look, another good remix that totally caught me by surprise. I am liking this pool.
Cave Story Remix Project - Mimiga Vibe (Cave Story) vs Project Majestic Mix A Tribute To Nobuo Uematsu Gold Edition - Sealed Door (Chrono Trigger) - Sealed Door was good for a while, but it started getting slightly repetitive near the end. Mimiga Vibe is fairly interesting throughout.
Tyler Heath - Kingdom Come (Dragon Warrior) vs The Black Mages - The Man with the Machine Gun (Final Fantasy 8) - Boring vs. Totally Rockin'. A-yup.
Final Fantasy Vocal Collections 2 ~ Love Will Grow - Love Will Grow (Final Fantasy 2) vs Azupiano - End of the World (Chrono Trigger) - Another good take on an old favorite.
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2008, 06:09:26 AM »
HAGANEBUSHI - Holy Knight (Kotetsu Reiki: Steeldom) vs Ailsean - Terra in Black (Final Fantasy 6)
Both pretty solid, but I can't say Holy Knight is champ-worthy.  Just good.  Same with Terra in Black, but I like the melody to it a bit more.
ReactorZer0 - Spark Castle ~ Doom Mandrill (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest & Mega Man X) vs Gyakuten Saiban 3 Original Soundtrack Bonus Disc - Gyakuten Saiban 3 - Special Blend Mix (Phoenix Wright 3)
The PW track does switch gears too often, but I can't say I'm a fan of the MQ/X piece.
Cave Story Remix Project - Smoothie Brace (Cave Story) vs Hyadain - Appearance of Golbez's Four Lords of the Elements (Final Fantasy 4)
Can they both lose?  I've seen the flash animation and it's not my sense of humor, and the Cave Story piece is boring.
Ar tonelico Hymmnos concert Side Blue -Reading the Stars ~Hoshiyomi~ - Dancing Girl (Ar tonelico) vs Orchestral Game Concert - The Legend of Zelda Theme (The Legend of Zelda series)
I guess.
Atelier Iris ETERNAL MANA 2 Arranged Tracks RED LUCIFER RISING - Slasher Blue (Atelier Iris 2) vs Ghetto Lee Lewis - Teach Me How To Rave (Final Fantasy Tactics)
I have no idea even what track the FFT thing is allegedly remixing.  Me tuning out 40 seconds in probably has something to do with that.
Cave Story Remix Project - Mimiga Vibe (Cave Story) vs Project Majestic Mix A Tribute To Nobuo Uematsu Gold Edition - Sealed Door (Chrono Trigger)
This CS remix is better, but still not great...
Tyler Heath - Kingdom Come (Dragon Warrior) vs The Black Mages - The Man with the Machine Gun (Final Fantasy 8)
Ooooh.  Here's the good stuff; these two would beat a whole bunch of the above tracks.  Close.
Final Fantasy Vocal Collections 2 ~ Love Will Grow - Love Will Grow (Final Fantasy 2) vs Azupiano - End of the World (Chrono Trigger)
End of the World is repetitive and has boring percussion.  Shame, I liked the first part too, and then it went nowhere.  Love Will Grow is sappy but good for what it is, I suppose.
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2008, 10:31:51 PM »
HAGANEBUSHI - Holy Knight (Kotetsu Reiki: Steeldom) vs Ailsean - Terra in Black (Final Fantasy 6)
Haganebushi starts off strong, but...  repetition doesn't do it any favours.  Whereas Terra in Black...  the middle seems a bit weak right now, but it might just grow on me.  Definatly one that has potential for growth, and that gives it the win.

ReactorZer0 - Spark Castle ~ Doom Mandrill (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest & Mega Man X) vs Gyakuten Saiban 3 Original Soundtrack Bonus Disc - Gyakuten Saiban 3 - Special Blend Mix (Phoenix Wright 3)
Yeah, I'm willing to go with inconsistancy here.

Cave Story Remix Project - Smoothie Brace (Cave Story) vs Hyadain - Appearance of Golbez's Four Lords of the Elements (Final Fantasy 4)
I like the addition of the lyrics here.

Ar tonelico Hymmnos concert Side Blue -Reading the Stars ~Hoshiyomi~ - Dancing Girl (Ar tonelico) vs Orchestral Game Concert - The Legend of Zelda Theme (The Legend of Zelda series)
Eh, kinda sick of the LoZ track, but...  better than the AT piece.

Atelier Iris ETERNAL MANA 2 Arranged Tracks RED LUCIFER RISING - Slasher Blue (Atelier Iris 2) vs Ghetto Lee Lewis - Teach Me How To Rave (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Oh gods!  The Tutorial Music in bad electronica?!  Dear God, Think of the ears!

Cave Story Remix Project - Mimiga Vibe (Cave Story) vs Project Majestic Mix A Tribute To Nobuo Uematsu Gold Edition - Sealed Door (Chrono Trigger)

Tyler Heath - Kingdom Come (Dragon Warrior) vs The Black Mages - The Man with the Machine Gun (Final Fantasy 8)
Yeah, I know Kingdom Come was my nom, but I feel more love for Laguna today.  As for the people who find Kingdom Come slow and boring, be glad I didn't nom my Front Mission 1 stuff.

Final Fantasy Vocal Collections 2 ~ Love Will Grow - Love Will Grow (Final Fantasy 2) vs Azupiano - End of the World (Chrono Trigger)
I like.  Also, this has always bugged me, but...  what is Love Will Grow a remix of?
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2008, 10:59:14 PM »
I... think that's a remix of the Prelude?  It's kinda hard to tell, but that's what it sounds like to me.
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2008, 12:50:04 AM »
Quote from: Excal on October 30, 2008, 10:31:51 PM
I like.  Also, this has always bugged me, but...  what is Love Will Grow a remix of?

The ending theme of Final Fantasy II.
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2008, 09:57:53 PM »
HAGANEBUSHI - Holy Knight (Kotetsu Reiki: Steeldom) vs Ailsean - Terra in Black (Final Fantasy 6)
ReactorZer0 - Spark Castle ~ Doom Mandrill (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest & Mega Man X) vs Gyakuten Saiban 3 Original Soundtrack Bonus Disc - Gyakuten Saiban 3 - Special Blend Mix (Phoenix Wright 3)
Cave Story Remix Project - Smoothie Brace (Cave Story) vs Hyadain - Appearance of Golbez's Four Lords of the Elements (Final Fantasy 4): Four Fiends just isn't as badass without the video.
Ar tonelico Hymmnos concert Side Blue -Reading the Stars ~Hoshiyomi~ - Dancing Girl (Ar tonelico) vs Orchestral Game Concert - The Legend of Zelda Theme (The Legend of Zelda series): Meh. I don't really care for either one.
Atelier Iris ETERNAL MANA 2 Arranged Tracks RED LUCIFER RISING - Slasher Blue (Atelier Iris 2) vs Ghetto Lee Lewis - Teach Me How To Rave (Final Fantasy Tactics): Mediocrity abounds.
Cave Story Remix Project - Mimiga Vibe (Cave Story) vs Project Majestic Mix A Tribute To Nobuo Uematsu Gold Edition - Sealed Door (Chrono Trigger): Best thing to come out of CSRP. Which is a shame, because the opposition's not bad either, but oh well.
Tyler Heath - Kingdom Come (Dragon Warrior) vs The Black Mages - The Man with the Machine Gun (Final Fantasy 8): Nicer than something coming from DW1 should be. And the Black Mages tossed in a middle segment which doesn't really fit.
Final Fantasy Vocal Collections 2 ~ Love Will Grow - Love Will Grow (Final Fantasy 2) vs Azupiano - End of the World (Chrono Trigger): EotW is actually a massive improvement over the in-game track,b ut I like the opposition better.
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2008, 10:50:38 PM »
HAGANEBUSHI - Holy Knight (Kotetsu Reiki: Steeldom) vs Ailsean - Terra in Black (Final Fantasy 6)
-- I never was a big fan of Terra in Black.

ReactorZer0 - Spark Castle ~ Doom Mandrill (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest & Mega Man X) vs Gyakuten Saiban 3 Original Soundtrack Bonus Disc - Gyakuten Saiban 3 - Special Blend Mix (Phoenix Wright 3)
-- Both of these are pretty good.  Going with this.

Cave Story Remix Project - Smoothie Brace (Cave Story) vs Hyadain - Appearance of Golbez's Four Lords of the Elements (Final Fantasy 4)
-- Too bad I watched the video.  The song's better without that crap.

Ar tonelico Hymmnos concert Side Blue -Reading the Stars ~Hoshiyomi~ - Dancing Girl (Ar tonelico) vs Orchestral Game Concert - The Legend of Zelda Theme (The Legend of Zelda series)
-- Gotta go with the Misha hype.  (LoZ Theme is alright, though.)

Atelier Iris ETERNAL MANA 2 Arranged Tracks RED LUCIFER RISING - Slasher Blue (Atelier Iris 2) vs Ghetto Lee Lewis - Teach Me How To Rave (Final Fantasy Tactics)
-- Teach Me How to Rave isn't that bad, though obviously repetitive.  But Slasher Blue is awesome, so.

Cave Story Remix Project - Mimiga Vibe (Cave Story) vs Project Majestic Mix A Tribute To Nobuo Uematsu Gold Edition - Sealed Door (Chrono Trigger)
-- I guess.

Tyler Heath - Kingdom Come (Dragon Warrior) vs The Black Mages - The Man with the Machine Gun (Final Fantasy 8)
-- Oddly good.  The Man with the Machine Gun isn't actually that good.  I dunno, just never liked that version.

Final Fantasy Vocal Collections 2 ~ Love Will Grow - Love Will Grow (Final Fantasy 2) vs Azupiano - End of the World (Chrono Trigger)
-- Hmm, figured the Azu track would be better than that.  Too bad.
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2008, 02:48:04 AM »
HAGANEBUSHI - Holy Knight (Kotetsu Reiki: Steeldom) vs Ailsean - Terra in Black (Final Fantasy 6)
ReactorZer0 - Spark Castle ~ Doom Mandrill (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest & Mega Man X) vs Gyakuten Saiban 3 Original Soundtrack Bonus Disc - Gyakuten Saiban 3 - Special Blend Mix (Phoenix Wright 3)
Cave Story Remix Project - Smoothie Brace (Cave Story) vs Hyadain - Appearance of Golbez's Four Lords of the Elements (Final Fantasy 4)
Ar tonelico Hymmnos concert Side Blue -Reading the Stars ~Hoshiyomi~ - Dancing Girl (Ar tonelico) vs Orchestral Game Concert - The Legend of Zelda Theme (The Legend of Zelda series)
Atelier Iris ETERNAL MANA 2 Arranged Tracks RED LUCIFER RISING - Slasher Blue (Atelier Iris 2) vs Ghetto Lee Lewis - Teach Me How To Rave (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Cave Story Remix Project - Mimiga Vibe (Cave Story) vs Project Majestic Mix A Tribute To Nobuo Uematsu Gold Edition - Sealed Door (Chrono Trigger)
Tyler Heath - Kingdom Come (Dragon Warrior) vs The Black Mages - The Man with the Machine Gun (Final Fantasy 8)
Final Fantasy Vocal Collections 2 ~ Love Will Grow - Love Will Grow (Final Fantasy 2) vs Azupiano - End of the World (Chrono Trigger)
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2008, 03:11:46 PM »
Holy Knight vs Terra in Black - Holy Knight is awesome and I like it. Easily one of the best tracks from the entire contest so far. Terra is decent I suppose, but utterly outclassed.
Spark Castle ~ Doom Mandrill vs Special Blend Mix - Well, Spark is good. Blend is good _part_ of the time.
Smoothie Brace vs Hyadain - Appearance of Golbez's Four Lords of the Elements (Final Fantasy 4) - Oh man, Brace was considerably better than I expected. Some nice tracks here. Hyadain on the other hand fails when they don't have a good backing track which Fiends is emphatically not.
Dancing Girl vs The Legend of Zelda Theme - Dancing Girl has some eccentricities but is great on the whole. If they didn't suck on their whistles or whatever it is they're doing at the points in question, it would fall under beautiful territory; the singing at the end is kinda unnecessary also. I can't see anything to recommend about Zelda here and it could easily be argued to be worse than the originals.
Slasher Blue vs Teach Me How To Rave - Slasher is nice and energetic. Rave is somewhat energetic, but it certainly isn't nice and so.
Mimiga Vibe vs Sealed Door - Mimiga is decent. Sealed is overly repetitive.
Kingdom Come vs The Man with the Machine Gun - Kingdom Come is fair, it could have done with the separate pieces flowing into each other among other things. Black Mages's Machine Gun is probably the worst version I've heard.
Love Will Grow vs End of the World - Ending up with a couple more awesome tracks. Don't mind either of these progressing.
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2008, 05:32:28 AM »
Extending the deadline for these pools by 72 hours due to Putfile issues lately.
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<Niu> that lose the whole point of of L2!!!

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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2008, 06:52:16 PM »
HAGANEBUSHI - Holy Knight (Kotetsu Reiki: Steeldom) vs Ailsean - Terra in Black (Final Fantasy 6)
ReactorZer0 - Spark Castle ~ Doom Mandrill (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest & Mega Man X) vs Gyakuten Saiban 3 Original Soundtrack Bonus Disc - Gyakuten Saiban 3 - Special Blend Mix (Phoenix Wright 3)
Cave Story Remix Project - Smoothie Brace (Cave Story) vs Hyadain - Appearance of Golbez's Four Lords of the Elements (Final Fantasy 4)
Ar tonelico Hymmnos concert Side Blue -Reading the Stars ~Hoshiyomi~ - Dancing Girl (Ar tonelico) vs Orchestral Game Concert - The Legend of Zelda Theme (The Legend of Zelda series)
Atelier Iris ETERNAL MANA 2 Arranged Tracks RED LUCIFER RISING - Slasher Blue (Atelier Iris 2) vs Ghetto Lee Lewis - Teach Me How To Rave (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Cave Story Remix Project - Mimiga Vibe (Cave Story) vs Project Majestic Mix A Tribute To Nobuo Uematsu Gold Edition - Sealed Door (Chrono Trigger)
Tyler Heath - Kingdom Come (Dragon Warrior) vs The Black Mages - The Man with the Machine Gun (Final Fantasy 8)
Final Fantasy Vocal Collections 2 ~ Love Will Grow - Love Will Grow (Final Fantasy 2) vs Azupiano - End of the World (Chrono Trigger)
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2008, 10:17:01 AM »
HAGANEBUSHI - Holy Knight (Kotetsu Reiki: Steeldom) vs Ailsean - Terra in Black (Final Fantasy 6) - Not the biggest Terra in Black fan, but... champ material, this Haganebushi thing?  Not seeing it at all.  Low fi, simple, very repetitive.

ReactorZer0 - Spark Castle ~ Doom Mandrill (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest & Mega Man X) vs Gyakuten Saiban 3 Original Soundtrack Bonus Disc - Gyakuten Saiban 3 - Special Blend Mix (Phoenix Wright 3) - Clear cut.  THIS is champish material.

Cave Story Remix Project - Smoothie Brace (Cave Story) vs Hyadain - Appearance of Golbez's Four Lords of the Elements (Final Fantasy 4) - Not as funny as Crash Man.

Ar tonelico Hymmnos concert Side Blue -Reading the Stars ~Hoshiyomi~ - Dancing Girl (Ar tonelico) vs Orchestral Game Concert - The Legend of Zelda Theme (The Legend of Zelda series) - Just generally stronger to me.  What's with the super low volume on the upload, though?

Atelier Iris ETERNAL MANA 2 Arranged Tracks RED LUCIFER RISING - Slasher Blue (Atelier Iris 2) vs Ghetto Lee Lewis - Teach Me How To Rave (Final Fantasy Tactics) - Match of meh, going with the funny one.

Cave Story Remix Project - Mimiga Vibe (Cave Story) vs Project Majestic Mix A Tribute To Nobuo Uematsu Gold Edition - Sealed Door (Chrono Trigger) - Both good, tossup.  Best songs so far besides the Phoenix Wright.

Tyler Heath - Kingdom Come (Dragon Warrior) vs The Black Mages - The Man with the Machine Gun (Final Fantasy 8) - Eh.

Final Fantasy Vocal Collections 2 ~ Love Will Grow - Love Will Grow (Final Fantasy 2) vs Azupiano - End of the World (Chrono Trigger) - Genre bias.
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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2008, 11:30:12 AM »
HAGANEBUSHI - Holy Knight (Kotetsu Reiki: Steeldom) vs Ailsean - Terra in Black (Final Fantasy 6): Not much of a Terra in Black fan, and Holy Knight is a nom.
ReactorZer0 - Spark Castle ~ Doom Mandrill (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest & Mega Man X) vs Gyakuten Saiban 3 Original Soundtrack Bonus Disc - Gyakuten Saiban 3 - Special Blend Mix (Phoenix Wright 3): Meh vs nom.
Cave Story Remix Project - Smoothie Brace (Cave Story) vs Hyadain - Appearance of Golbez's Four Lords of the Elements (Final Fantasy 4): Smoothie Brace is a textbook entry for background muzak. Giving the match to the track to something that at least TRIES to be interesting.
Ar tonelico Hymmnos concert Side Blue -Reading the Stars ~Hoshiyomi~ - Dancing Girl (Ar tonelico) vs Orchestral Game Concert - The Legend of Zelda Theme (The Legend of Zelda series): ...yep, a stock orchestral track.
Atelier Iris ETERNAL MANA 2 Arranged Tracks RED LUCIFER RISING - Slasher Blue (Atelier Iris 2) vs Ghetto Lee Lewis - Teach Me How To Rave (Final Fantasy Tactics): I wonder if this pool is going to have any remotely close matches...
Cave Story Remix Project - Mimiga Vibe (Cave Story) vs Project Majestic Mix A Tribute To Nobuo Uematsu Gold Edition - Sealed Door (Chrono Trigger): Come to think of it, Cave Story Remix Project hasn't had a single entrant I've liked in this contest.
Tyler Heath - Kingdom Come (Dragon Warrior) vs The Black Mages - The Man with the Machine Gun (Final Fantasy 8): Kingdom Come's pretty good. Black Mages version of MwtMG is a travesty, sadly, complete with an unfitting tempo and an unnecessary middle section lifted from another track.
Final Fantasy Vocal Collections 2 ~ Love Will Grow - Love Will Grow (Final Fantasy 2) vs Azupiano - End of the World (Chrono Trigger): Hey, a match where both tracks are good! Nice.
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<Gourry> What, for making the game three times better?
<Gourry> And playable, at that?
<Niu> that lose the whole point of of L2!!!

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Re: AGMT: R1, Pool 12
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2008, 09:33:27 AM »
Results.

HAGANEBUSHI - Holy Knight (Kotetsu Reiki: Steeldom) 6
Ailsean - Terra in Black (Final Fantasy 6) 4

ReactorZer0 - Spark Castle ~ Doom Mandrill (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest & Mega Man X) 5
Gyakuten Saiban 3 Original Soundtrack Bonus Disc - Gyakuten Saiban 3 - Special Blend Mix (Phoenix Wright 3) 5 (tiebreak)

Cave Story Remix Project - Smoothie Brace (Cave Story) 6
Hyadain - Appearance of Golbez's Four Lords of the Elements (Final Fantasy 4) 4

Ar tonelico Hymmnos concert Side Blue -Reading the Stars ~Hoshiyomi~ - Dancing Girl (Ar tonelico) 7
Orchestral Game Concert - The Legend of Zelda Theme (The Legend of Zelda series) 3

Atelier Iris ETERNAL MANA 2 Arranged Tracks RED LUCIFER RISING - Slasher Blue (Atelier Iris 2) 9
Ghetto Lee Lewis - Teach Me How To Rave (Final Fantasy Tactics) 1

Cave Story Remix Project - Mimiga Vibe (Cave Story) 4
Project Majestic Mix A Tribute To Nobuo Uematsu Gold Edition - Sealed Door (Chrono Trigger) 6

Tyler Heath - Kingdom Come (Dragon Warrior) 8
The Black Mages - The Man with the Machine Gun (Final Fantasy 8) 2

Final Fantasy Vocal Collections 2 ~ Love Will Grow - Love Will Grow (Final Fantasy 2) 4
Azupiano - End of the World (Chrono Trigger) 6
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<Niu> If I ever see that Langfadood, i'll strangle him on sight
<Gourry> What, for making the game three times better?
<Gourry> And playable, at that?
<Niu> that lose the whole point of of L2!!!
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