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Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« on: October 10, 2008, 08:30:47 AM »
Results!
Ben 81.4% (35-8 (11-8, 24-0))
Lloyd 78.2% (43-12 (18-9, 25-3))
Marcello 63.6% (35-20 (12-15, 23-5))
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Clarissa 62.5% (20-12 (4-11, 16-1))
X 59.1% (13-9 (2-9, 11-0))

Ben and Lloyd made the shitty field explode. The other fought fiercely over the 3rd spot, with Marcello moving on.

Our first group of 6!
3. Levin- It's too bad that he's the twerpy kid/I don't anything else, so I'll just judge his art.
4. Ben- How will he fare against a pool that doesn't suck as badly as his last?
5. Elvis- Sentinel showdown.
8. Kartikeya- Guess his caption.
9. Galcian- Shock he's gotten this far.
11. Harken- Shock she's gotten this far considering she was 20th last week.

The Matches
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ted (S4)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jack (RS)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)
      
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ted (S4)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Jack (RS)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)
      
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ted (S4)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jack (RS)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)
      
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ted (S4)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jack (RS)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)
      
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ted (S4)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jack (RS)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)
      
Harken (WA)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ted (S4)
Harken (WA)   vs   Jack (RS)
Harken (WA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Harken (WA)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Harken (WA)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Harken (WA)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Harken (WA)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)

Special Addon!
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ted (S4)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jack (RS)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2008, 08:55:04 AM »
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Levin (WA:XF)    vs   Ryu (BoF 2)- Gutcheck here. Guessing Turn Cancel is only countered by Nightstalker armor and Ryu probably doesn't get physical tech counters.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ted (S4)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jack (RS)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)

Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Jade (BoF)- Jade
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)- Ben
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ted (S4)- Ted. Think he’s faster
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Jack (RS)- Jack. Ben dead quickly and such.
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)- Patriarch. Curse
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Cid (FFT)- Cid
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Nel (SO 3)- Nel. Freeze
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)- Ben
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Jowy (S2)- Ben. Close though!
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)- Ben
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Celia (FFT)- Celia
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)- Evans
     
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jade (BoF)- Jade
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)- Ryu. OHKO.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ted (S4)- Ted. OHKO
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jack (RS)- Jack. OHKO
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)- Elvis. Variant Attack vs Pat defense off Elvis’s speed and Pat’s bad damage. Yeah…
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Cid (FFT)- Cid
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Nel (SO 3)- Elvis. Nel doesn’t have enough damage to OHKO to me.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)- Elvis
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jowy (S2)- Elvis. Jowy 2HKOs! Just Variant Attack takes him out.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)- Elvis
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Celia (FFT)- Elvis
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)- Elvis
     
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jade (BoF)- Jade
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)- Ryu
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ted (S4)- Ted
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jack (RS)- Jack
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)- Karti. Gut reaction
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Cid (FFT)- Cid
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Nel (SO 3)- Nel. Karti is effectively weak to Ice to me.  Could flip here though
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)- Kartikeya.
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jowy (S2)- Karti. Charge OHKO before Jowy 2HKOs.
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)- Karti
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Celia (FFT)- Karti
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)- Karti
     
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jade (BoF)- Jade
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)- Ryu
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ted (S4)- Ted
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jack (RS)- Jack
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)- Patriarch. Lightning res certainly helps here.
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Cid (FFT)- Cid
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Nel (SO 3)- Nel
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)- Rufus. Think he barely 3HKOs.
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jowy (S2)- Galcian
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)- Galcian
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Celia (FFT)- Galcian
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)- Galcian
     
Harken (WA)   vs   Jade (BoF)- Jade
Harken (WA)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)- Ryu. OHKOs and such.
Harken (WA)   vs   Ted (S4)- Ted
Harken (WA)   vs   Jack (RS)- Jack. Well…Blocker would help if it wasn’t for the 3x Ice weakness.
Harken (WA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)- Pat, I think.
Harken (WA)   vs   Cid (FFT)- Cid
Harken (WA)   vs   Nel (SO 3)- Nel. I’m assuming that NE techs get the element of equipped weapons. Ice-based smash.
Harken (WA)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)- Harken
Harken (WA)   vs   Jowy (S2)- Harken
Harken (WA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)- Harken
Harken (WA)   vs   Celia (FFT)- Harken
Harken (WA)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)- Harken

Elvis 7-5 (1-5, 6-0)
Levin 7-5 (3-3, 4-2)
Karti 6-6 (1-5, 5-1)
Harken 5-7 (0-6, 5-1)
Galcian 4-8 (0-6, 4-2)
Ben 4-8 (1-5, 3-3)
« Last Edit: February 09, 2009, 05:07:15 AM by Dhyerwolf »
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2008, 03:38:16 PM »
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jade (BoF)- Can't lock him down for long enough.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)- He does here though.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ted (S4)- Ted defense.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jack (RS)- Don't recall Jack being notable on evade.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs  Patriarch (XS 2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jowy (S2)- Slaughter.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)- Here too. Eph has some evade and is durable.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)

Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ted (S4)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Jack (RS)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)

Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ted (S4)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jack (RS)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)

Harken (WA)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ted (S4)
Harken (WA)   vs   Jack (RS)
Harken (WA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Harken (WA)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Harken (WA)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Harken (WA)   vs  Deathevans (BoF 2)- Swept.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2008, 04:11:36 PM by superaielman »
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 06:55:15 PM »
Ben (FFMQ) vs. Jade (BoF) - Kneejerk is that, unless Ben -immunes- Lightning, this puts too much of a strain on his resources.
Ben (FFMQ) vs. Ryu (BoF2) - Life is boom.
Ben vs. Patriarch - Ben may hit that physical weakness, but his physical damage sorta sucks. That and Sergius will get to start a few revolting combos with the time he gets.
Ben (FFMQ) vs. Ted (S4) - Booms first.
Ben (FFMQ) vs. Cid (FFT) - Cid immunes Death and makes Ben's equips explode. This isn't good.
Ben (FFMQ) vs. Nel (SO3) - Kneejerking Nel as faster, but Ben immunes status and probably avoids a 2HKO anyway. Then, he just statuses her with something else.
Ben (FFMQ) vs. Rufus (VP2) - Yeah.
Ben (FFMQ) vs. Jowy (S2) - Jowy doesn't OHKO.
Ben (FFMQ) vs. Ephraim (FE8) - He gets to kill faster.
Ben (FFMQ) vs. Celia (FFT) - ID!
Ben (FFMQ) vs. Deathevans (BoF2) - And such.
     
Harken (WA) vs. Jade (BoF) - He hits that Ice weakness. Pain.
Harken (WA) vs. Ryu (BoF2) - He hits that overkill ITD/ITE weakness.
Harken (WA) vs. Patriarch - Man, she halves Holy. Maximum Risk hits disgusting level pretty fast.
Harken (WA) vs. Ted (S4) - I think Harken didn't have any Dark resistance. I.e. Ted blows her up, since she ain't OHKOing.
Harken (WA) vs. Cid (FFT) - ... man, Ice Brand+Black Robe setup on Harken? I know she's tanky, but that's gotta hurt.
Harken (WA) vs. Nel (SO3) - Hmmm. Let's assume Blocking doesn't work on techs. In that case... I guess this works.
Harken (WA) vs. Rufus (VP 2) - Huh. Rufus can't really kill in time even with hitting weakness.
Harken (WA) vs. Jowy (S2) - Jowy chips with a L2 and kills. Harken doesn't 3-2, but Jowy 2HKOs.
Harken (WA) vs. Ephraim (FE8) - Evadable physicals against Harken are a waste of time.
Harken (WA) vs. Celia (FFT) - See above.
Harken (WA) vs. Deathevans (BoF 2) - With Evans damage... uuuuuuuuhhh... Harken might well get two Maximum Risks. That'll be ugly.

Pamela (MK) vs. Jade (BoF) - BoltX.
Pamela (MK) vs. Ryu (BoF2) - G. Dragon.
Pamela (MK) vs. Ted (S4) - Judgment.
Pamela (MK) vs. Patriarch (XS2) - Both Cmdr and Elfboy are correct.
Pamela (MK) vs. Cid (FFT) - PHYSICALS VS. PAMELA
Pamela (MK) vs. Nel (SO3) - This starts getting ugly once Pamela starts tossing the good status that Nel can't block. Slow should make waves here, and Nel's magical damage is impressively horrible.
Pamela (MK) vs. Rufus (VP2) - Uhhhh. Rufus having partly magical damage makes things weird here. EDIT: Although I guess it doesn't matter.
Pamela (MK) vs. Jowy (S2) - Hungry Friend.
Pamela (MK) vs. Ephraim (FE8) - Sexy bear beatings.
Pamela (MK) vs. Celia (FFT) - Faster status Pamela can't block!
Pamela (MK) vs. Deathevans (BoF2) - The ID sorta fails against Pamela MDef... on the other hand, Evans has a lot of time to connect with it.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2008, 08:54:05 PM »
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Celia (FFT)

Harken (WA)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Harken (WA)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Harken (WA)   vs   Celia (FFT)

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2008, 08:58:18 PM »
Benjamin is not immune to ID
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2008, 04:29:36 AM »
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jade (BoF): Levin's turn cancel nonsense has limits. Jade is well past those.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2): 75% counter rate! And tanky. The counters should 2HKO (doesn't take much to do that to Levin), so Levin can only use Cancel Strike twice before, on average, he provokes two counters. He does 4-3... but he's not going to 4HKO after wasting two turns on Cancel Strike.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ted (S4): Yeah, Ted doesn't have the evade for this.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2): So Levin does 3.36 PCHP to someone who is average speed and does not have any notable evade. I am certainly inclined to say this kills Patriarch, even though Levin does the worst type of physical damage for him (bludgeoning). But... Patriarch is slighty above average speed, and actually has some evade.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Cid (FFT): This is straightforward.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Nel (SO 3): Nel's evade isn't special.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Rufus (VP 2): Nor is that of Rufus.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jowy (S2): Levin can't afford to miss a cancel, and Jowy  has evade.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8): Now this is just way too much evade AND countering.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2): It's not like Evans wins if he gets a turn even, anyway...

He could drop a bit if I hit his accuracy (i.e. decide to use non-ultimate weapons). At the very least, could cost him against Evans. Open to arguments.
   
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jade (BoF): At least Elvis isn't weak to lightning?
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2): Immense Ryu2 damage respect.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ted (S4): Has an argument even if he doesn't OHKO.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2): Doubt Patriarch can stop some really painful Variant Attacks.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8): VA ignoring evade is problematic for Eph.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)
     
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ted (S4)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2): Uh... probably.
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Nel (SO 3): Nel's not tanky enough to survive Lock-On.
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Rufus (VP 2): Nor is Rufus.
Kartikeya (WA 5)  vs   Jowy (S2): I guess.
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8): Karti gets Lock-On at turn... 4. Can he survive three Eph Siegmund hits? Don't see why not. Of course, he needs to do some attacking of his own to ensure a kill... one Sky Twister should take care of this.
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2): Again, Lock-On every four turns. His damage over four turns is not quite enough to fell Evans, but it's close. Evans... 6HKOs at best. Yeah.
     
Harken (WA)   vs   Jade (BoF): Bzzt.
Harken (WA)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ted (S4)
Harken (WA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2): Halving Holy ensures some absolutely revoltingly powerful Maximum Risks get played.
Harken (WA)   vs   Cid (FFT): Ice Brand~
Harken (WA)   vs   Nel (SO 3): Nel loses a quarter of her damage to avoid parrying, and a bit more (10%?) to use that ice element weapon, then does her damage x3 = about 2x her normal damage. That... should be enough.
Harken (WA)   vs   Rufus (VP 2): Counters mean Rufus is guranteed to face three Azraels before he kills regardless of strategy. Oops.
Harken (WA)   vs   Jowy (S2): OHKO.
Harken (WA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8): Azrael, Javelin, Siegmund, horrible Maximum Rish death ensues? Yeah, that feels like the best case situation for Eph.
Harken (WA)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Harken (WA)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2): Wishes Coldbreath were actually cold.

Elvis 7-4
Kartikeya 7-4
Levin 5-6
Harken 5-6

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2008, 12:20:53 PM »
 
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and a bit more (10%?) to use that ice element weapon,

Eh? The Ice Blades are stronger than her storebought (Ice Falchion) ... unless you usually allow Nel post game equips or something ;p

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Also which damage do you peeps usually assume for Nel - max hit Divine Wrath?
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2008, 04:05:05 PM »
Wait, so Nel's STRONGEST legal weapon is ice? Good to know. Thought they were reversed for some reason.

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2009, 10:44:02 PM »
Another special MK addendum! Same of the middle version, Pamela in the running in the tournament, but I'll run her both semi weeks and maybe the final!

Pamela (MK)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ted (S4)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jack (RS)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)- Not voting here because there are certainly crazy ass MK SP views I'm still kicking around in my head that could give her this.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)- Unless she blocks Death innately, which wouldn't be surprising

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2009, 04:36:19 PM »
Pamela (MK)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)- Unless she blocks Death innately, which wouldn't be surprising

She doesn't.  I've seen Pamela activate Guts even though it's not listed but I haven't figured out WHY though.

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2009, 04:48:10 PM »
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Pamela (MK)   vs   Cid (FFT)

Hmm, is it possible for Cid to use Ice Brand to kill her? In MK, if you add an element to a physical(Raiden Charge comes to mind), it proceeds to not care about physical resistance. Not sure about Immunity though. Is there any way to test that?
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2009, 05:03:49 PM »
Raiden Charge is rather unique in that it actually *removes* the physical tag from Flay's moves. There are other attacks that are physical/element and Pamela's immunity gets those. (See Tal for more details)

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2009, 06:35:47 PM »
Specifically, if any part of a move is physical "element", it is immuned.  Basically what Pyro said.  The easiest example I can think of is the final boss's Wave of Despair attack which carries both the physical and magical elements, and the whole attack is immuned.

In RPGs in general, when you add an element to your physical (usually through an elemental sword but some moves do it), it is still classified as a physical attack, since they generally still hit physical resistance/immunity.  Mana Khemia is kind of an exception where things like Raiden Charged stuff are just not actually classified as physical attacks.

FFT Ice Brand still hits Protect, which is basically FFT's version of physical resistance, so seems like it would be immuned here.  Though you could argue that the Ice 2 cast from it would still work (it's like 25% chance though) but I don't think that's going to change much.

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2009, 06:18:09 PM »
Alright, that makes sense then. And yeah, I'd still see the Ice 2 randocast from it getting through...but that's hardly going to win Cid the match.
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2009, 06:25:47 PM »
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
     
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
     
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Nel (SO 3) - ???
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
     
Harken (WA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2009, 05:46:11 AM »
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ted (S4)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jack (RS)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)

6/12.  Went with NEB when in doubt (ie Sergius.)
     
     
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ted (S4)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jack (RS)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jowy (S2)- Jowy respect is pretty high, mostly.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)
     
7/12.

Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jade (BoF)- ... actually, copy/paste Elvis here.  Nothing they do different is relevant in these matches.
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ted (S4)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jack (RS)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)
     
7/12

Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)- Just OHKOs.  He has to of course >.>
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ted (S4)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jack (RS)- So far as I can tell, Jack's anti-status equips are less than 100% proof (notably, anti-Feeze armor occasionally failed against Cross' 100% chance), dooming him here.
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)- Right.  Massive speed edge.
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Celia (FFT)- Galcian's preferred opponent; status whore without his damage options.
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)

8/12.
     
Harken (WA)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ted (S4)
Harken (WA)   vs   Jack (RS)- Pure Physical vs Harken.  Win.
Harken (WA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Harken (WA)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Harken (WA)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Jowy (S2)- Dunno about OHKO, but he can afford a  chipping turn or two (what with being in her speed range and all.)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Harken (WA)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Harken (WA)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)

6/12

Special Addon!
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ted (S4)- ... jeez.  magical overkill much?
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jack (RS)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)- Mdef makes Pamela's healing cry.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Celia (FFT)- Only win Celia gets in this whole pool!  Weird.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)- ... well, I'd love to hype Pamela racing to hurt herself enough for nasty No Bullying!s but Evans is faster and his death probably doesn't fail THAT much.  Alas.

5/12
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2009, 01:38:33 AM »
Special Addon!
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jade (BoF): Uhh yeah.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2): One of those fights Malik would win. Hmm.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ted (S4): What's with all the non-physical overkill, anyway?
Pamela (MK)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2): Think Patriarch's speed control keeps Pamela from really punishing him fast enough. Also one combo probably kills her.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Cid (FFT): Oh hey physicals.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Nel (SO 3): Nel has magic and can block silence; her best bet is to freeze Pamela then shatter her. Unfortunately, IIRC that requires physicals. Granted, freeze arguably cancels physical immunity. On the other hand, Pamela may win by beating herself up -> No Bullying while Freeze connects. And something involving Slow.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Rufus (VP 2): Don't -think- auto-crits bypassed ghost physical immunity. I imagine that would get a fair bit of hype against Walther/Gyne...
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jowy (S2): Back to magical OHKO.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8): And to physicals.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Celia (FFT): And to status!
Pamela (MK)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2): Pamela wants an ID blocker.

Malik would beat Celia and Ryu, but would lose to Cid and Rufus. Interesting.

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2009, 04:07:32 AM »
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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2009, 08:45:54 AM »
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jade (BoF) - hax
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2) - ...  Levin goes first, Cancel Strike, Cancel Strike, Cancel Strike, Blast (to ignore counter), Rushing Beat (to KO).  Ryu 3HKOs, has three chances to counter.  Between odds of Levin missing and Ryu countering every time, Ryu would win... except Levin also has evasion turning it back in his favor.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ted (S4)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jack (RS)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2) - Uh... I think?   Lower boss HP respect.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Cid (FFT) - Faster.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Jowy (S2) - Hmm, probably enough evade for this?
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8) - Heh.  Even though I let Levin counter here as well it doesn't really matter.
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Levin (WA:XF)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2) - Deathevans.
     
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Jade (BoF) - Hm, actually don't think he has the resources for this.
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ted (S4)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Jack (RS)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2) - Gut says he outslugs?
Ben (FFMQ)   vs  Cid (FFT) - Faster, nukes MP.
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs  Jowy (S2) - Right, Benjamin was fast.
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Celia (FFT) - I assume he's faster.
Ben (FFMQ)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2) - ...ID.

Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jade (BoF) - Uh, pretty much better at everything?
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2) - Ryu2 vs. limit boss.  Well, unless he just OHKOs.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ted (S4) - Splat.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jack (RS)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2) - Hm, yeah.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Jowy (S2) - Chip -> boom.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8) - I think.
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Celia (FFT) - lol
Elvis (WA 5)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)
     
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jade (BoF) - Same as above for all of these, really.
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ted (S4)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jack (RS)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Kartikeya (WA 5)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)
     
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ted (S4)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jack (RS)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Galcian (SoA)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)
     
Harken (WA)   vs   Jade (BoF)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ted (S4)
Harken (WA)   vs   Jack (RS)
Harken (WA)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Cid (FFT)
Harken (WA)   vs   Nel (SO 3)
Harken (WA)   vs   Rufus (VP 2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Jowy (S2)
Harken (WA)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8)
Harken (WA)   vs   Celia (FFT)
Harken (WA)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2)

Special Addon!
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jade (BoF) - ;_;
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ryu (BoF 2) - ;_;
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ted (S4) - ;_;
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jack (RS)
Pamela (MK)   vs   Patriarch (XS 2) - Probably charges up a chain or something.  Close, I think?
Pamela (MK)   vs   Cid (FFT) - Physicals.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Nel (SO 3) - Physicals.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Rufus (VP 2) - Physicals.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Jowy (S2) - ;_;
Pamela (MK)   vs   Ephraim (FE 8) - Physicals.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Celia (FFT) - Goes first, IDs.
Pamela (MK)   vs   Deathevans (BoF 2) - ...ID.

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2009, 01:33:06 AM »
On Pamela vs. Rufus... didn't elemental arrow attacks pierce ghost physical immunity just fine? I remember that I never once needed a mage thanks to elemental arrows being Magic (but faster, less costly, and running off a stronger stat).


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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2009, 01:36:45 AM »
The pure elemental magic portion of his damage may hurt Pamela, but Rufus doesn't have nearly enough of that to finish Pamela before she finishes him.

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Re: Proving Grounds: Godlike Semis 1
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2009, 01:48:26 AM »
Well, an... awful lot of Rufus' damage is elemental, so maybe I should check to be sure...

Okay, Rufus can easily monkey with his damage to get a 2HKO, and one that doesn't even active The Grudge at that. Granted, Kiss 2 Bear spam still owns this. Rufus won't double before that kills him, which takes only five of them followed by a finishing Let's Be Friends. Rufus isn't doubling before then, nor is he especially close. So yeah, Pyro is entirely correct.
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