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Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« on: June 06, 2009, 05:04:35 PM »
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Fogel- OB's resident supertank.
Daos- Can he overcome being a Lufia boss and succeed?
Carlie- Mmm, healers.

Fogel (OB) vs Ellen (Personas)
Fogel vs Kuja (FF9)
Fogel vs Nate (Personas)
Fogel vs Ultimecia (FF8)
Fogel vs Dark Force (PS series)
Fogel vs Berle (SO2)
Fogel vs Cliff (SO3)
Fogel vs Steiner (FF9)
Fogel vs Barubary (BoF2)
Fogel vs Tristan (OB)
Fogel vs MOMO (XS series)
Fogel vs Gala (LoL1)


Daos (Lufias) vs Ellen (Personas)
Daos vs Kuja (FF9)
Daos vs Nate (Personas)
Daos vs Ultimecia (FF8)
Daos vs Dark Force (PS series)
Daos vs Berle (SO2)
Daos vs Cliff (SO3)
Daos vs Steiner (FF9)
Daos vs Barubary (BoF2)
Daos vs Tristan (OB)
Daos vs MOMO (XS series)
Daos vs Gala (LoL1)

Carlie (SD3) vs Ellen (Personas)
Carlie vs Kuja (FF9)
Carlie vs Nate (Personas)
Carlie vs Ultimecia (FF8)
Carlie vs Dark Force (PS series)
Carlie vs Berle (SO2)
Carlie vs Cliff (SO3)
Carlie vs Steiner (FF9)
Carlie vs Barubary (BoF2)
Carlie vs Tristan (OB)
Carlie vs MOMO (XS series)
Carlie vs Gala (LoL1)
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2009, 05:17:58 PM »
Fogel (OB) vs Ellen (Personas)- Is Phys Wall's damage reflection ITD?
Fogel vs Kuja (FF9)- Haaaaaaaaahahahahhahahahahaha
Fogel vs Nate (Personas)- Nate's heal locked.
Fogel vs Ultimecia (FF8)- Hell's Judgement.
Fogel vs Dark Force (PS series)- Resists everything DF has.
Fogel vs Berle (SO2)- Fogel vs physicals.
Fogel vs Cliff (SO3)- Fogel vs physicals.
Fogel vs Steiner (FF9)- See above.
Fogel vs Barubary (BoF2)- Strong kneejerk.
Fogel vs Tristan (OB)- Better.
Fogel vs MOMO (XS series)- Probably OHKOs.
Fogel vs Gala (LoL1)- Thunder is one of Fogel's better resists.

Daos (Lufias) vs Ellen (Personas)- Probably.
Daos vs Kuja (FF9)- No spell focusing dooms Daos here. Without that, he can 2HKO Kuja (And force him to use Mirror). Without it, he's stuck with his 3HKO Dark Fry. Holy isn't a OHKO even after weakness but it's respectable enough, even hitting Daos MDef.
Daos vs Nate (Personas)- Light all is rape.
Daos vs Ultimecia (FF8)
Daos vs Dark Force (PS series)- I think.
Daos vs Berle (SO2)- Resists Dark Fry.
Daos vs Cliff (SO3)- Too much HP.
Daos vs Steiner (FF9)- Steiner needs... four Shocks here? Maybe five? I don't think he can get it in time. Damage cap means Daos's defense doesn't really matter, and he can't wall all of his elements at once.
Daos vs Barubary (BoF2)
Daos vs Tristan (OB)- Daos's extra 5k HP and 20 speed over Erim lets him best an OB general.
Daos vs MOMO (XS series)
Daos vs Gala (LoL1)

Carlie (SD3) vs Ellen (Personas)- Black Curse+healing should do it.
Carlie vs Kuja (FF9)- Can easily avoid the Flare Star range.
Carlie vs Nate (Personas)- Think Nate can status out.
Carlie vs Ultimecia (FF8)- Resources.
Carlie vs Dark Force (PS series)- Speed should do it.
Carlie vs Berle (SO2)- Eventually.
Carlie vs Cliff (SO3)- Black Curse really kills Cliff's damage.
Carlie vs Steiner (FF9)- Black Curse/runs him out of resources.
Carlie vs Barubary (BoF2)
Carlie vs Tristan (OB)- Fast 2HKO.
Carlie vsMOMO (XS series)- Confuse.
Carlie vs Gala (LoL1)
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2009, 06:33:07 PM »
Daos (Lufias) vs Ellen (Personas) - Reduce
Daos vs Kuja (FF9)
Daos vs Nate (Personas)- Reduce
Daos vs Dark Force (PS series)
Daos vs Berle (SO2) - Too much respect for Berle's cheese.
Daos vs Steiner (FF9)
Daos vs MOMO (XS series)
Daos vs Gala (LoL1)

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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2009, 10:52:24 PM »
Fogel (OB) vs Ellen (Personas)- Yes, Physiwall's reflection is ITD (and ITE)
Fogel vs Kuja (FF9)
Fogel vs Nate (Personas)- Sleep Song is still 75% against Fogel
Fogel vs Ultimecia (FF8)
Fogel vs Dark Force (PS series)
Fogel vs Berle (SO2)
Fogel vs Cliff (SO3)
Fogel vs Steiner (FF9)
Fogel vs Barubary (BoF2)
Fogel vs Tristan (OB)
Fogel vs MOMO (XS series)- OHKO
Fogel vs Gala (LoL1)


Daos (Lufias) vs Ellen (Personas)- Ellen is faster, Physiwall overrides the Dark, already laughs at his magic/Light All lol.
Daos vs Kuja (FF9)- Holy is now OHKO damage to average!
Daos vs Nate (Personas)- Light All lol
Daos vs Ultimecia (FF8)- Not happening after Maelstorm
Daos vs Dark Force (PS series)- Just feels better overall. More durability.
Daos vs Berle (SO2)- Kills too much of Daos's damage
Daos vs Cliff (SO3)- Unless Daos can focus at will...
Daos vs Steiner (FF9)
Daos vs Barubary (BoF2)
Daos vs Tristan (OB)
Daos vs MOMO (XS series)- Yeah, Daos is swept
Daos vs Gala (LoL1)- Gala not rerolled? Huh?

Carlie (SD3) vs Ellen (Personas)- Statuses her
Carlie vs Kuja (FF9)- Reflect+2HKOing hurts. She can heal until he misses, but then she's relying on physicals to get damage done, and eventually will be eating counters while doing little damage.
Carlie vs Nate (Personas)- Status
Carlie vs Ultimecia (FF8)- Carlie doesn't much like early Maelstorm spam, I think.
Carlie vs Dark Force (PS series)- Um...headache
Carlie vs Berle (SO2)- Headache mark 2
Carlie vs Cliff (SO3)
Carlie vs Steiner (FF9)
Carlie vs Barubary (BoF2)- Black Curse versus a limit.
Carlie vs Tristan (OB)
Carlie vs MOMO (XS series)- MOMO 3's 100% Silence
Carlie vs Gala (LoL1)

Fogel 9-3 (3-3, 6-0) (Accurate enough status still gets him turn 1, but he's damn nasty and given that Pdur, I'd definetely see him as needing to go up now).
Carlie 4-6 (0-4, 4-2)
Daos 1-11 (0-6, 1-5) (Can't focus at will? 3HKO off bad speed and durability that I don't respect)
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2009, 11:09:42 PM »
Carlie vs Ultimecia (FF8) - Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Carlie vs Dark Force (PS series) - Oh right, forgot about Dark Force initially.
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2009, 06:36:16 AM »
Fogel vs Kuja (FF9) - 2HKOs, isn't 2HKOed at worst.
Fogel vs Ultimecia (FF8) - I realized Ulti is like 1.6x PC HP to me and that figure could drop dramatically the minute I feel meaner to FF8's damage average. Don't give her speech gimmick much - if any - credit either, so.
Fogel vs Dark Force (PS series) - I... think. Closer than I'd kneejerk at all.
Fogel vs Berle (SO2) - Dear god.
Fogel vs Cliff (SO3) - Yeah. Mismatch here.
Fogel vs Steiner (FF9) - Mismatch.
Fogel vs Barubary (BoF2) - Fogel 2HKOs and doesn't even need to.
Fogel vs Tristan (OB) - Better at the same game.
Fogel vs MOMO (XS series) - MOMO IS IN HEAVY?
Fogel vs Gala (LoL1) - lol.


Daos vs Kuja (FF9) - Argh. Kuja avoids the OHKO by Reflecting and Holy 2HKOs+3-2. I -think-. Weird spoiling.
Daos vs Ultimecia (FF8) - Ultimecia outslugs nothing. Also, hyping Maelstrom on the "I get OHKOed by low 3HKO damage off Kongol speed by stat topic numbers" first form doesn't work on people who aren't horrible Lights. Not that I allow -that- formchaining anyway.
Daos vs Dark Force (PS series) - Better damage.
Daos vs Berle (SO2) - Way too much speed on him and hits his bad defenses.
Daos vs Cliff (SO3) - Now for the Heavy owning.
Daos vs Steiner (FF9) - Steiner can't wall -that- many elements at once, I don't think.
Daos vs Barubary (BoF2) - Barubary is just eh.
Daos vs Tristan (OB) - On the other hand, that's a lot of offense for Daos to handle with that speed.
Daos vs MOMO (XS series) - XS1 MOMO in Heavy.
Daos vs Gala (LoL1) - Gala in Heavy.

Carlie vs Kuja (FF9) - .........
Carlie vs Ultimecia (FF8) - Ultimecia is like the Kain of Heavy healers.
Carlie vs Dark Force (PS series) - Explodes. Black Curse hype doesn't fly off that speed here, not when he's OHKOing.
Carlie vs Berle (SO2) - High-end healing.
Carlie vs Cliff (SO3) - I remember Cliff's MP damage being really bad, so he's not really putting up much pressure here.
Carlie vs Steiner (FF9) - Black Curse works here, though.
Carlie vs Barubary (BoF2) - Barubary vs. Heavy healer.
Carlie vs Tristan (OB) - Tons of pressure.
Carlie vs MOMO (XS series) - ... okay this just fails.
Carlie vs Gala (LoL1) - Gala.
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2009, 06:48:23 AM »
Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 07, 2009, 06:36:16 AM
Daos vs Steiner (FF9) - Steiner can't wall -that- many elements at once, I don't think.

Steiner can simalteanously resist every element but Holy at once. In this case, Defender+Gauntlets lets him halve all of Daos' magic elements, and doesn't even hurt his Mdef and Defense.
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2009, 05:21:24 PM »
Quote from: Dhyerwolf on June 07, 2009, 06:48:23 AM
Quote from: Jo'ou Ranbu on June 07, 2009, 06:36:16 AM
Daos vs Steiner (FF9) - Steiner can't wall -that- many elements at once, I don't think.

Steiner can simalteanously resist every element but Holy at once. In this case, Defender+Gauntlets lets him halve all of Daos' magic elements, and doesn't even hurt his Mdef and Defense.

So, I'll actually have to think about this match. Gotcha. Granted, not sure Steiner... manages, he shouldn't 3HKO Daos and... mblargh this is Naoto vs. Wugui.
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2009, 10:13:32 PM »
Fogel vs Kuja (FF9)
Fogel vs Ultimecia (FF8)
Fogel vs Dark Force (PS series)
Fogel vs Berle (SO2)
Fogel vs Cliff (SO3)
Fogel vs Steiner (FF9)
Fogel vs Barubary (BoF2)
Fogel vs Tristan (OB)
Fogel vs MOMO (XS series)
Fogel vs Gala (LoL1): Okay Super we get the picture. Fanboy.



Daos vs Kuja (FF9)
Daos vs Ultimecia (FF8)
Daos vs Dark Force (PS series)
Daos vs Berle (SO2)
Daos vs Cliff (SO3)
Daos vs Steiner (FF9)
Daos vs Barubary (BoF2)
Daos vs Tristan (OB)
Daos vs MOMO (XS series)
Daos vs Gala (LoL1): Claude could have broken this streak.

Carlie vs Kuja (FF9): Reflect?
Carlie vs Ultimecia (FF8)
Carlie vs Dark Force (PS series): Status?
Carlie vs Berle (SO2)
Carlie vs Cliff (SO3)
Carlie vs Steiner (FF9)
Carlie vs Barubary (BoF2): Might be wrong here.
Carlie vs Tristan (OB)
Carlie vs MOMO (XS series)
Carlie vs Gala (LoL1)
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2009, 05:38:59 PM »
Fogel vs Kuja (FF9)
Fogel vs Berle (SO2)
Fogel vs Cliff (SO3)
Fogel vs Steiner (FF9)
Fogel vs Barubary (BoF2)
Fogel vs Tristan (OB)
Fogel vs Gala (LoL1)

Daos vs Kuja (FF9)
Daos vs Berle (SO2)
Daos vs Cliff (SO3)
Daos vs Steiner (FF9)
Daos vs Barubary (BoF2)
Daos vs Tristan (OB)
Daos vs Gala (LoL1)
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2009, 07:13:32 PM »
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2009, 07:34:52 PM »
Daos (Lufias) vs Ellen (Personas)
Daos vs Kuja (FF9)
Daos vs Nate (Personas)
Daos vs Ultimecia (FF8)
Daos vs Dark Force (PS series)
Daos vs Berle (SO2)- Daos was basically pure elemental, right?  Berle can probably exploit his speed in any case, but that would make it simpler.
Daos vs Cliff (SO3)
Daos vs Steiner (FF9)
Daos vs Barubary (BoF2)
Daos vs MOMO (XS series)- *skim* probably pulls off a OHKO.  Stalling tactics/buffing meet Dark Reflector, so that's a no go.

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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 01:09:10 AM »
Fogel vs Kuja (FF9)
Fogel vs Ultimecia (FF8)
Fogel vs Dark Force (PS series)
Fogel vs Berle (SO2)
Fogel vs Cliff (SO3)
Fogel vs Steiner (FF9)
Fogel vs Tristan (OB)
Fogel vs MOMO (XS series)
Fogel vs Gala (LoL1)

Daos vs Kuja (FF9)
Daos vs Ultimecia (FF8)
Daos vs Dark Force (PS series)
Daos vs Berle (SO2)
Daos vs Cliff (SO3)
Daos vs Steiner (FF9)
Daos vs Tristan (OB)
Daos vs MOMO (XS series)
Daos vs Gala (LoL1) - Yeah, Daos sweeps to me.

Carlie vs Kuja (FF9)
Carlie vs Ultimecia (FF8)
Carlie vs Dark Force (PS series)
Carlie vs Berle (SO2)
Carlie vs Cliff (SO3)
Carlie vs Steiner (FF9)
Carlie vs Tristan (OB) - Though he might just heal lock?
Carlie vs MOMO (XS series) - I'll buy silence hype.
Carlie vs Gala (LoL1) - Poor Gala...
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2009, 03:30:36 AM »
Fogel (OB) vs Ellen (Personas): Ellen had Physiwall, right?  That kind of makes this fight one sided.
Fogel vs Kuja (FF9): Fogel's about getting a lot of actions, which means provoking a lot of counters.  Add in Kuja's already impressive speed, think he takes this.
Fogel vs Nate (Personas): Puts way too much pressure on Nate.
Fogel vs Ultimecia (FF8): Fogel will do a lot of damage, but Ulti can take a hit, so Hell's Judgement -> Poke.
Fogel vs Dark Force (PS series): Outslugs.
Fogel vs Berle (SO2): Berle's got invincibility, but I'm struggling to figure out what he actually does to Fogel during it.  Poke him for like 10% of his Health total per Metaguard? When Fogel does a lot more between them? HA!
Fogel vs Cliff (SO3): Badly outslugs here.
Fogel vs Steiner (FF9): Fogel is Steiner++
Fogel vs Barubary (BoF2): Plays to Barubary's weaknesses.
Fogel vs Tristan (OB): Isn't Fogel just...better in...everyway?
Fogel vs MOMO (XS series): MOMO confuses Fogel and...forces him to attack her...which he was doing anyway...
Fogel vs Gala (LoL1): AHAHAHAHA no.


Daos (Lufias) vs Ellen (Personas): Uh, yeah, Daos is hurting Ellen how?
Daos vs Kuja (FF9): Kuja's speed + Holy hitting weakness makes it now a fair slugfest and...oh, hi there Reflect and Counters!
Daos vs Ultimecia (FF8): Ultimecia also hits a weakness with Holy! Just, you know, unlike Kuja, her Holy fails to register as damage, and she lacks his speed, Counters, and Reflect...
Daos vs Dark Force (PS series): Resists.
Daos vs Berle (SO2): Hey look, a case where Dark Reflector comes in handy!  Berle puts up Metaguard, Daos counters with Dark Reflector.
Daos vs Cliff (SO3)
Daos vs Steiner (FF9): Can build around Elemental Resists and such, I'm sure.  Additionally, he can probably play defensively with an Elemental Sword + Healing, and eventually have Daos run out of his finite MP or something.  Alternatively!!! Blood Sword Hype with elemental resists might win.
Daos vs Barubary (BoF2): Kneejerk
Daos vs Tristan (OB): Kneejerk #2.
Daos vs MOMO (XS series): No really comments.
Daos vs Gala (LoL1): Nor here!

Carlie (SD3) vs Ellen (Personas): Dark Sword hits Ellen's weakness, no?
Carlie vs Kuja (FF9): Waaay too much pressure here.
Carlie vs Nate (Personas): Dark Sword hits Nate's weakness, so yeah...
Carlie vs Ultimecia (FF8): Opens with Black Curse, that fucks with Ulti's...everything...except Hell's Judgement!  Oh look, INSTANT HEALING, nevermind.
Carlie vs Dark Force (PS series): Black Curse, then play defensively from there.
Carlie vs Berle (SO2): Should be able to heal through Berle's first Metaguard, then Black Curses him, and he's kind of boned.
Carlie vs Cliff (SO3): Was thinking Carlie heals her way to victory, but then remembered Cliff can nail her in the MP, which will really hurt her strategy.
Carlie vs Steiner (FF9): Iai Strike kills before Carlie does, especially with Blood Sword factored in.
Carlie vs Barubary (BoF2): Black Curse, Healing, etc.
Carlie vs Tristan (OB): TOo Much pressure.
Carlie vs MOMO (XS series): Confuses, wins from there.
Carlie vs Gala (LoL1): Black Curse, that kills Gala's Damage.  From there, its coasting.
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2009, 11:06:01 AM »
IIRC Cliff/Mirage have a scarily high damage modifier per hit with a levelled Aerial Assault. The problem is AA *is* only one hit and it still has to compete with the likes of hold down/keep hitting the button spammables like Energy Burst, Splitting Sky and Dream Hammer. Other than that their MP damage does suck in general though yeah LOL Hammer of Might!
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Re: Proving Grounds H/G Week 2: Dragoon, Sinstrial and someone smarter than Fairie.
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2009, 12:05:05 AM »
Daos vs Kuja (FF9): People voting the other way are frankly WEIRD. Holy and Reflect make this slaughterrific.
Daos vs Ultimecia (FF8): Um.
Daos vs Dark Force (PS series): Similar, but ultimately a superior slugger.
Daos vs Berle (SO2): Elemental spoiling is needed here, but yeah. Both spend a lot of turns stalling each other, but Berle's superior speed gives him the edge.
Daos vs Cliff (SO3): Cliff's not really much of a Heavy.
Daos vs Steiner (FF9): Close, but I think he barely takes the slugfest.
Daos vs Barubary (BoF2): More HP.
Daos vs MOMO (XS series): See Cliff.

Carlie vs Kuja (FF9): Reflect. Carlie's healing is fast but I don't think I see her pulling it out here anyway.
Carlie vs Ultimecia (FF8): Ultimecia.
Carlie vs Dark Force (PS series): OHKOs.
Carlie vs Berle (SO2): Berle vs. healer.
Carlie vs Cliff (SO3): Lands Black Curse well enough.
Carlie vs Steiner (FF9): Yup.
Carlie vs Barubary (BoF2): More cursin'.
Carlie vs MOMO (XS series): Confuse. Right.

Daos 5-3
Carlie 5-3

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