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Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« on: July 01, 2009, 07:05:52 PM »
In:

Scias: 29-35 45%
Ho-Oh: 27-32 46%

Out:

Gerald: 17-34 33%

For this round I used champions and runners up only (Exception: I used the person the champ/runner up beat in the previous round if they were already in or just used, like Dekar for Lenus). Changes things up a bit.

Solo (DW4) vs Luca Blight (S2)
Solo vs Jack van Burace (WA1)
Solo vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Solo vs Beatrix (FF9)
Solo vs Zog (BoF1)
Solo vs Rydia (FF4)
Solo vs Elc (AtLC)
Solo vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Solo vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Solo vs Angela (SD3)
Solo vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Solo vs Ryu (BoF1)

Gau (FF6) vs Luca Blight (S2)
Gau vs Jack van Burace (WA1)
Gau vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Gau vs Beatrix (FF9)
Gau vs Zog (BoF1)
Gau vs Rydia (FF4)
Gau vs Elc (AtLC)
Gau vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Gau vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Gau vs Angela (SD3)
Gau vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Gau vs  Ryu (BoF1)

Daos (Lufias) vs Luca Blight (S2)
Daos vs Jack van Burace (WA1)
Daos vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Daos vs Beatrix (FF9)
Daos vs Zog (BoF1)
Daos vs Rydia (FF4)
Daos vs Elc (AtLC)
Daos vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Daos vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Daos vs Angela (SD3)
Daos vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Daos vs  Ryu (BoF1)
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 07:59:18 PM »
Solo (DW4) vs Luca Blight (S2)- Swordedge armor/fire resisting shield. Solo doesn't do anything but heal, should outlast.
Solo vs Jack van Burace (WA1)- Confuse. Sofia would win this!
Solo vs KOS-MOS (XS)- S chain.
Solo vs Beatrix (FF9)- Kneejerking Shock not being a 2HKO here, which Beatrix needs. Sleepmore means that reflect spam isn't too effective.
Solo vs Zog (BoF1)- Solo's built for this kind of fight.
Solo vs Rydia (FF4)- And this one.
Solo vs Elc (AtLC)- EDIT: Fendspell leaves Elc stuck with just his physical. He can MP bust Solo but it's not enough, he has to spend a lot of resources on invincible since he can't heal besides for divide.
Solo vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Solo vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)- Sleepmore saves me from having to think.
Solo vs Angela (SD3)- Status.
Solo vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)- Depends entirely who is faster. No Minvera for me, so requires some thinking.
Solo vs Ryu (BoF1)- Ryu wasn't tearingly fast? I donno.

Gau (FF6) vs Luca Blight (S2)- I think.
Gau vs Jack van Burace (WA1)
Gau vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Gau vs Beatrix (FF9)
Gau vs Zog (BoF1)
Gau vs Rydia (FF4)- Osmose Magic urn. I think his only shot is getting lucky in time with Nightshade, which I don't hugely respect.
Gau vs Elc (AtLC)- Invicinble/draining should work. Gau's best healing rage gets MP busted.
Gau vs Sierra Mikain (S2)- Don't think Gau can deal with the draining.
Gau vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Gau vs Angela (SD3)
Gau vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Gau vs  Ryu (BoF1)

Daos (Lufias) vs Luca Blight (S2)- Probably two rounds. Bad defense really helps Luca's offense.
Daos vs Jack van Burace (WA1)- Jack's not 2HKOed.
Daos vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Daos vs Beatrix (FF9)- Reflect/Shadow mail.
Daos vs Zog (BoF1)- Ouch.
Daos vs Rydia (FF4)- Daos MDef fucks up the draining game enough. He is also faster.
Daos vs Elc (AtLC)- Daos can be hit with gravity in game.
Daos vs Sierra Mikain (S2)- Walls darkness.
Daos vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)- No spell focusing!
Daos vs Angela (SD3)
Daos vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)- Goes first. Even if he didn't, Rosa has to Wall and then outslug. Don't see it since the holy weakness barely matters here.
Daos vs Ryu (BoF1)

Solo: 7-4
Gau: 7-5
Daos: 5-7
« Last Edit: July 08, 2009, 07:11:35 PM by superaielman »
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009, 01:17:17 AM »
Gau vs Beatrix (FF9) - (For the record, I ignore Beatrix's boss forms for the reasons that I don't like the idea of allowing time-limit fights, regardless of how easy it is to beat the time limit, and that she has a competent PC form regardless.) Hrm. Both of them can 2HKO - Gau with Io and Beatrix with Holy. Difference is, Gau has a 50/50 of hitting with Flare Star first turn, whereas Bea will always need both turns.
Gau vs Rydia (FF4) - EDIT: Going by hinode's post about Nightshade not working... And, actually, this applies either way. ;o Gau needs to kill straight off to avoid getting killed by Rydia, going by the (incomplete?) stat topic... Stray Cat Rage allows him a OHKO with Catscratch, thanks to Rydia's terrible PDef, but... that's 50%. Screw you, 50/50 situation. No vote.
Gau vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) - Io works for Gau here, methinks. (Seems Rosa's best tricks are Berserk/Image and Confuse.) So... this mostly comes down to whether or not Gau is allowed immunity to Mini or not. Seeing as he's immune to Imp here, I'm inclined to give immunity to Mini as well.

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Gau: 2-0
« Last Edit: July 08, 2009, 07:12:02 PM by superaielman »

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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2009, 01:26:19 AM »
Solo vs Rydia (FF4) - She's definately faster than him with Minerva, and probably faster without it too.
Solo vs Angela (SD3) - The status-attached spells are obscenely slow. She might get one Deathspell off before Snub/Fendspell but that's it.
Solo vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)

Gau vs Rydia (FF4) - Need to check Rydia's speed and Gau rages options for this. Incidentally Nightshade charm is turn 3 so it's not helping here.
Gau vs Angela (SD3)
Gau vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)


Solo: 1-2
Gau: 2-0
« Last Edit: July 08, 2009, 09:15:06 PM by superaielman »

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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2009, 01:44:06 AM »
Need to check Rydia's speed and Gau rages options for this. Incidentally Nightshade charm is turn 3 so it's not helping here.

It is? I don't really see why, but... time to check what happens assuming Nightshade is ignored...

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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2009, 03:19:12 AM »
Gau vs Jack van Burace (WA1): Status options with speed.
Gau vs KOS-MOS (XS): S-Chain probably doesn't help enough.
Gau vs Beatrix (FF9): Faster.
Gau vs Rydia (FF4): Osmose, status, etc.
Gau vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Gau vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)

Gau: 3-3
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2009, 03:58:32 AM »
Solo (DW4) vs Luca Blight (S2) - God, super's strategy is ridiculous. AND IT WORKS.
Solo vs Jack van Burace (WA1) - Grah, Jack status.
Solo vs KOS-MOS (XS) - S-CHAIN fucks Solo so bad.
Solo vs Beatrix (FF9) - I wonder. Beatrix wants to drop a Reflect to keep Solo from sleeping her. On the other hand, this means she gets no healy and she has to put it back up a lot. I certainly don't see her 2HKOing Solo myself, so I think this is a win for him, even if he has to do it with his physical.
Solo vs Zog (BoF1) - Remember how well this went against Sofia?
Solo vs Rydia (FF4) - Faster. Rydia mopping ensues.
Solo vs Elc (AtLC) - HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT FENDSPELL MOCKS IT'S ALL OF ELC'S WHORAGE SKILLSET. Elc so wishes Mind Buster was full.
Solo vs Sierra Mikain (S2) - Faster, S2 DF can't be resisted, only immuned or dodged as far as I know.
Solo vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) - Blocks Sleep and laps him after a basic physical (hey guys Rapid Attack rules). That just won't do. Since her damage is ITD, Solo has to OHKO Raquel or die - or Sleepmore has to be turn one if you don't allow the sleep blocker. I wouldn't buy either.
Solo vs Angela (SD3) - Angela spells are worse at speed than Solo to me.
Solo vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) - Faster! Berserk'd Solo is pretty scary, but not after she drops a Mini on him.
Solo vs Ryu (BoF1) - Resources, maybe?

Gau (FF6) vs Luca Blight (S2) - Harhar. Grinds down indefinitely.
Gau vs Jack van Burace (WA1) - Jack status options with speed not be turn one outside the ones Gau can block IIRC. That's getting no hype from me against Gau.
Gau vs KOS-MOS (XS) - ... you know, I wonder why people are voting KOS-MOS over Gau. He's faster, he immunes status once he Rages (also should immune Slow for starters, which mitigates one of S-CHAIN's evils a fair deal) and KOS-MOS sorta can't do anything about his Magic Urn grinding unless it doesn't immune ID. Since status immunity in XS catches those stat busts, I'd give Gau the benefit of doubt here. So yeah.
Gau vs Beatrix (FF9) - Yeah.
Gau vs Zog (BoF1) - ...
Gau vs Rydia (FF4) - I thought "OSMOSE? Fuck me", but then it hit me "wouldn't Gau have status-immune Rages that -don't- have that issue and could kill Rydia in time?". Nightshade has that and can live through two Rydia turns, I believe, and that means murderfying Charm. So.
Gau vs Elc (AtLC) - Doing this with Elc is more complicated, but his offense is also a world worse than Rydia's. I could also be argued to see Mind Rob as gravity-like, which might not help him against Urn.
Gau vs Sierra Mikain (S2) - Faster.
Gau vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) - Benefit of doubt. Raquel's ITD physicals make this a fight, though.
Gau vs Angela (SD3) - Yuppies.
Gau vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) - Holy christ.
Gau vs  Ryu (BoF1) - Erm yeah.

Daos (Lufias) vs Luca Blight (S2) - 3HKOs first.
Daos vs Jack van Burace (WA1) - Jack healing not be good enough.
Daos vs KOS-MOS (XS) - Dunno what the hell can KOS-MOS do to him. S-CHAIN could be more badass on bosses, it's immunable.
Daos vs Beatrix (FF9) - Holy weakness frying lovelove.
Daos vs Zog (BoF1) - Right. Zog has the durability edge, but Daos hits the right defense stat, Zog hits the wrong defense stat and things happen.
Daos vs Rydia (FF4) - I'll bite.
Daos vs Elc (AtLC) - Yeah.
Daos vs Sierra Mikain (S2) - Quartering darkness? That works out.
Daos vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) - 2HKOs and isn't 2HKOed. This matters because Raquel laps him and her parasitic healing isn't quite enough to get her through.
Daos vs Angela (SD3) - Yeah.
Daos vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) - HOLY WEAKNESS
Daos vs  Ryu (BoF1) - Has the right damage type.

Gau: 10-1
Daos: 8-4
Solo: 6-6
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2009, 04:02:07 AM »
Daos quarters darkness and thunder.

His holy weakness also doesn't reallty hurt him against Beatrix or Rosa, since both should be smashing up against a hard damage cap. Luckily for him.

Edit: Daos with spell focusing OHKOs Rydia in his sleep. Her HP is terrible.
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2009, 04:10:36 AM »
Huh, right. I never know how I feel about damage caps regarding hitting weakness (or in general in the DL). Will have to ponder that a bit.
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2009, 06:36:15 AM »
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Solo vs Elc (AtLC) - HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT FENDSPELL MOCKS IT'S ALL OF ELC'S WHORAGE SKILLSET. Elc so wishes he had Mind Buster instead of Rob Mind here.

I don't think it matters, but Elc DOES have Mind Buster instead of Rob Mind. Diek's the one with Rob Mind.

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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2009, 06:46:17 AM »
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Solo vs Elc (AtLC) - HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT FENDSPELL MOCKS IT'S ALL OF ELC'S WHORAGE SKILLSET. Elc so wishes he had Mind Buster instead of Rob Mind here.

I don't think it matters, but Elc DOES have Mind Buster instead of Rob Mind. Diek's the one with Rob Mind.

Actually, it probably -does- matter as long as Elc's MP busting is full. Elc outstalls a MP-less Solo fairly solidly.
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2009, 02:54:55 PM »
It's not. It's around half according to the topic.

Edit: Daos so wipes the floor with Zog Snow. He hits a weakness and forces Zog to try to win with his physical. And he's faster. Fail.
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2009, 10:10:02 PM »
Solo (DW4) vs Luca Blight (S2)
Solo vs Jack van Burace (WA1)
Solo vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Solo vs Beatrix (FF9)
Solo vs Zog (BoF1)
Solo vs Rydia (FF4)
Solo vs Elc (AtLC)
Solo vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Solo vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Solo vs Angela (SD3)
Solo vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Solo vs Ryu (BoF1): 2HKOs probably. Solo was mostly a defense tank, right? And the two are pretty even in speed.

Gau (FF6) vs Luca Blight (S2): As usual, I don't buy charm hype vs. bosses, FF6 bosses are all just vulnerable to the status. As for magic urn... Luca probably 3 rounds it with physicals, 4 at worst. Gau's damage is surely bad enough for the match to drag on to the point where Gau fails his healing 3 times in a row (luca attack, gau attack,  luca attack, gau attack,  luca attack, gau attack,  luca attack, good night irene)
Gau vs Jack van Burace (WA1): Actually no. Gau's evade, though marginal to me, is enough to turn2ify any of Jack's shaky ID/status options.
Gau vs KOS-MOS (XS): Yeah, KOS can barely scratch him, so nightshade lives to see a third turn. Probably a fourth or fifth at that.
Gau vs Beatrix (FF9)
Gau vs Zog (BoF1)
Gau vs Rydia (FF4): Bahamut's like 1.6x average damage so I'm thinking she just 2HKOs any non-urn form.
Gau vs Elc (AtLC): MP bust urn. Alternating invincible L2 + physicals probably kills anything else (perhaps with a lead-in Divide to soften him up a bit)
Gau vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Gau vs Raquel Applegate (WA4): Moonlight then squish. ID blocker makes veteran a non-issue, despite Raquel being in danger of a 3-2.
Gau vs Angela (SD3)
Gau vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Gau vs  Ryu (BoF1)

Daos (Lufias) vs Luca Blight (S2)
Daos vs Jack van Burace (WA1)
Daos vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Daos vs Beatrix (FF9): Reflect probably lets her outslug? She can bounce spells off of it to cheap out Daos's reflector too. Damage cap means "lol holy weakness" isn't good enough here.
Daos vs Zog (BoF1): Dark reflector destroys him at worst.
Daos vs Rydia (FF4): ^^^
Daos vs Elc (AtLC): Casting invincible is just an invitation for Daos to hide behind his reflector till it wears off, so Elc has to engage him in a straight up slugfest. If divide doesn't work on him he gets mauled. If it does.... I dunno. Daos's MDef fucks with it but Elc runs circles around him so the frequent doubles keep him afloat for a while. Well, I don't let it work anyway.
Daos vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Daos vs Raquel Applegate (WA4): Can win a straight up slugfest, and reflector is countered by moonlight. I'd probably see ACN piercing it too, so... yeah.
Daos vs Angela (SD3)
Daos vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Daos vs  Ryu (BoF1)

Daos: 9-3
Gau: 6-6
Solo: 5-7
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2009, 11:32:00 PM »
Solo vs Raquel Applegate (WA4): The sleep's probably turn 1 to me.

WA4 has a sleep blocker (Alarm Clock).

Gau (FF6) vs Luca Blight (S2): As usual, I don't buy charm hype vs. bosses, FF6 bosses are all just vulnerable to the status. As for magic urn... Luca probably 3 rounds it with physicals, 4 at worst. Gau's damage is surely bad enough for the match to drag on to the point where Gau fails his healing 3 times in a row (luca attack, gau attack,  luca attack, gau attack,  luca attack, gau attack,  luca attack, good night irene)

Luca's not even immune to all status in-game, so while I can see charm missing other bosses, it should still hit Luca.

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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2009, 02:22:09 AM »
Solo vs Raquel Applegate (WA4): The sleep's probably turn 1 to me.

WA4 has a sleep blocker (Alarm Clock).

Fixed.

Gau (FF6) vs Luca Blight (S2): As usual, I don't buy charm hype vs. bosses, FF6 bosses are all just vulnerable to the status. As for magic urn... Luca probably 3 rounds it with physicals, 4 at worst. Gau's damage is surely bad enough for the match to drag on to the point where Gau fails his healing 3 times in a row (luca attack, gau attack, luca attack, gau attack, luca attack, gau attack, luca attack, good night irene)

Luca's not even immune to all status in-game, so while I can see charm missing other bosses, it should still hit Luca.

Luca's vulnerable to relatively minor statuses in-game, not the fatal ones, so we don't assume that fatal statuses which don't exist in S2, like stone, hit Luca. FF6 Charm is no different. It's a completely ordinary status which just happens to not be immuned by anything in its home game.
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2009, 04:56:35 PM »
So Luca doesn't immune status and nothing immunes Charm and somehow this defaults to him being immune to it.

Doesn't matter, though. IIRC the Rage of choice for Luca (it came up ages ago, after all) was... Ing? Absorbed Fire, casts Lifeshaver (Drain on steroids). Draining works much better here for the reason you noted, it speeds up the battle a good deal to lessen the chance of Gau using his physical too many times in a row.

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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2009, 05:18:11 PM »
You should know how little I care for the "nothing's immune to it in FF6" argument by now.

Exact damage figure on lifeshaver? Is it ITD?
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2009, 05:25:57 PM »
So Luca doesn't immune status and nothing immunes Charm and somehow this defaults to him being immune to it.

Doesn't matter, though. IIRC the Rage of choice for Luca (it came up ages ago, after all) was... Ing? Absorbed Fire, casts Lifeshaver (Drain on steroids). Draining works much better here for the reason you noted, it speeds up the battle a good deal to lessen the chance of Gau using his physical too many times in a row.

He's apparently strong to all status he doesn't immune, so take that for whatever you will.
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2009, 12:02:44 AM »
Solo (DW4) vs Luca Blight (S2): Solo's speed dooms him here, I kneejerk.
Solo vs Jack van Burace (WA1): Didn't Solo Resist instant death?  Think he 2HKOs without being 2HKOed in return.
Solo vs KOS-MOS (XS): Think she's faster, so S-Chain, and work from there.
Solo vs Beatrix (FF9): Fendspell, he should survive the initial Holy and a follow up Shock.  From there, its a resource war.
Solo vs Zog (BoF1): Fendspell, then play defensively.
Solo vs Rydia (FF4): Summons hit through Fendspell to me so...
Solo vs Elc (AtLC): Fendspell, then wait him out.
Solo vs Sierra Mikain (S2): Goes first, Instant Death.
Solo vs Raquel Applegate (WA4): Don't think Solo can do anything against this level of physical offense.
Solo vs Angela (SD3): Fendspell, mock.
Solo vs Rosa Harvey (FF4): Fendspell, mock some more.
Solo vs Ryu (BoF1): Don't see Fendspell > Dragons, and I don't think there's really anything Solo can do to get out of the Heal Lock.

Gau (FF6) vs Luca Blight (S2): I see Nightshade working.  Even without that, Ing should do it.
Gau vs Jack van Burace (WA1): Jack can't realistically kill Gau before Gau does something like Roulette from Veteran.
Gau vs KOS-MOS (XS): Goes first, and pretty much walls her from there.
Gau vs Beatrix (FF9): Beatrix can't really do anything to Gau turn 1 besides damage.  On turn 2?  Gau's activated Magic urn, now Beatrix relies on her physical shock to kill and that's not going to work, as she's gonna run out of MP on average before Gau's AI gets him.
Gau vs Zog (BoF1): Zog physicals against Gau under Magic Urn, that'll go over well.
Gau vs Rydia (FF4): Given how Charm functions differently from NORMAL status (in that if Gau could use it at will, it'd be turn 1), I don't use the standard convention; its turn 1 status to me that isn't used until turn 2 to me, so...
Gau vs Elc (AtLC): Dunno; Magic Urn gets MP Busted, but I think Gau has other Rages that'd let him play defensively, just...yeah.
Gau vs Sierra Mikain (S2): Yeah, I'll buy "Goes first, instant death."  Note that if you see her slower, Gau has UNDEAD RAGES that screw over the Drain.
Gau vs Raquel Applegate (WA4): Goes first, gets Raquel by turn 2.
Gau vs Angela (SD3): Veteran Rage, in worst case scenario.
Gau vs Rosa Harvey (FF4): Magic Urn, and hey look, Rosa's completely walled!
Gau vs  Ryu (BoF1): Dragon's don't immune Instant Death, so Veteran.

Daos (Lufias) vs Luca Blight (S2): Should win this slugfest.
Daos vs Jack van Burace (WA1): Reverse is true here.
Daos vs KOS-MOS (XS): A case where KOS MOS wishes he had healing.
Daos vs Beatrix (FF9): Holy against Daos' defense = bwahahaha.
Daos vs Zog (BoF1): He's faster than Zog, so Dark Reflector comes in handy.  Furthermore, he resists Zog's good damage, and Zog is takes extra damgae to Daos'.
Daos vs Rydia (FF4): 2HKOs, isn't 2HKOed.
Daos vs Elc (AtLC): Dark Reflector should stall long enough through Invincible; Elc wants his speed to not be from Fail Turn Based, so it'd matter more.
Daos vs Sierra Mikain (S2): He resists Darkness...uh, yeah, don't need to do much from there!
Daos vs Raquel Applegate (WA4): Yeah, he's durable enough to take a few Raquel hits, and her Parasitic Healing isn't good enough.
Daos vs Angela (SD3): Dark Reflector.  I let this work cause Angela practically telegraphs her spells, so yeah...
Daos vs Rosa Harvey (FF4): on the otherhand, Holy weakness rears its ugly head again...
Daos vs  Ryu (BoF1): Kneejerk.

Gau: 10-1
Daos: 9-3
Solo: 6-6
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2009, 02:18:40 AM »
Solo (DW4) vs Luca Blight (S2)
Solo vs Jack van Burace (WA1)
Solo vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Solo vs Beatrix (FF9)
Solo vs Zog (BoF1)
Solo vs Rydia (FF4)
Solo vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Solo vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Solo vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Solo vs Ryu (BoF1)- Unsure on this one.  Forget Ryu's initial speed and if Dragons gave him any boost but... supposing something like average Solo should pull it off.

5/10

Gau (FF6) vs Luca Blight (S2)
Gau vs Jack van Burace (WA1)
Gau vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Gau vs Beatrix (FF9)
Gau vs Zog (BoF1)
Gau vs Rydia (FF4)
Gau vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Gau vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Gau vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Gau vs Ryu (BoF1)

6/10

Daos (Lufias) vs Luca Blight (S2)
Daos vs Jack van Burace (WA1)
Daos vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Daos vs Beatrix (FF9)
Daos vs Zog (BoF1)
Daos vs Rydia (FF4)- At least, I'm remembering Daos' physical as unspecial.
Daos vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Daos vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Daos vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Daos vs  Ryu (BoF1)

5/10
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2009, 09:23:40 AM »

Solo (DW4) vs Luca Blight (S2)- Probably Luca, but would have to know how good DW 4 defense is to be sure. Gutting against Solo at the moment.
Solo vs Jack van Burace (WA1)- Unless Solo resists all status?
Solo vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Solo vs Beatrix (FF9)
Solo vs Zog (BoF1)
Solo vs Rydia (FF4)
Solo vs Elc (AtLC)- Let's see...Solo 5HKOs Elc (Thanks to HP/Magic Canceller), and needs to throw up a turn for Fendspell. So that's 6 Charges, and from what I remember, DW 4 itemcasts were inventory based and not based on actually equipping it? Hmm, this also depends on the DW 4 defense potency. Gut is that even with giving ATL 2 speed less credit, Elc may still double once, which would be 564 ATL 2 damage. Not sure if the DW 4 defense is good enough for to cut that to 420, so abstain for now. Gutting for Solo at the moment.
Solo vs Sierra Mikain (S2)- Thought Sierra's ID didn't ignore resistance.
Solo vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Solo vs Angela (SD3)
Solo vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Solo vs Ryu (BoF1)- Does Fendspell get "breaths" in game?

Gau (FF6) vs Luca Blight (S2)
Gau vs Jack van Burace (WA1)- Shaodw Bind should be turn 1 here.
Gau vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Gau vs Beatrix (FF9)- Faster, and Shock 2HKOing still works.
Gau vs Zog (BoF1)
Gau vs Rydia (FF4)- Not sure how doing something on turn 2 greatly helps against the faster Gau.
Gau vs Elc (AtLC)- ITE NE MP Busting!
Gau vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Gau vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Gau vs Angela (SD3)
Gau vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Gau vs  Ryu (BoF1)

Daos (Lufias) vs Luca Blight (S2)
Daos vs Jack van Burace (WA1)- Go go Daos 3HKO.
Daos vs KOS-MOS (XS)- Daos isn't suriving 2700 XS 1 damage.
Daos vs Beatrix (FF9)
Daos vs Zog (BoF1)
Daos vs Rydia (FF4)- May 2HKO first?
Daos vs Elc (AtLC)
Daos vs Sierra Mikain (S2)- Parasitic healing versus a 3HKOer.
Daos vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)- Parasitic healing versus a 3HKOer.
Daos vs Angela (SD3)- Elemental resistance.
Daos vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Daos vs  Ryu (BoF1)

Gau 8-4
Solo 5-6
Daos 2-10 (3HKOs off bad speed!)
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2009, 03:03:26 PM »
Solo's fendspell doesn't resist breath attacks.


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Daos vs Sierra Mikain (S2)- Parasitic healing versus a 3HKOer.

Parastic healing that is barely working after Daos quarters the damage. Zog has similiar problems- he's giving Daos's damage a large boost while his own damage barely scratches in return thanks to fire resist and being slow.
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2009, 05:54:51 PM »
Solo (DW4) vs Luca Blight (S2) - ...huh.  Wow.  Ok then...good fight where the PC might actually win.  Solo.
Solo vs Jack van Burace (WA1) - Jack.
Solo vs KOS-MOS (XS) - KOS.  Loves XS3
Solo vs Beatrix (FF9) - Bellatrix
Solo vs Zog (BoF1) - Solo...close, though.
Solo vs Rydia (FF4) - Rydia.
Solo vs Elc (AtLC) - Elc.
Solo vs Sierra Mikain (S2) - Sierra
Solo vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) - Raquel
Solo vs Angela (SD3) - Angela
Solo vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) - Solo
Solo vs Ryu (BoF1) - Solo

Gau (FF6) vs Luca Blight (S2) - ...Gau.  Magic Urn takes weeks, but wins.
Gau vs Jack van Burace (WA1) - Jack
Gau vs KOS-MOS (XS) - KOS
Gau vs Beatrix (FF9) - Bellatrix
Gau vs Zog (BoF1) - Gau
Gau vs Rydia (FF4) - Rydia
Gau vs Elc (AtLC) - Elc
Gau vs Sierra Mikain (S2) - Sierra
Gau vs Raquel Applegate (WA4) - Raquel
Gau vs Angela (SD3) - Angela
Gau vs Rosa Harvey (FF4) - Gau
Gau vs  Ryu (BoF1) - Gau

Daos (Lufias) vs Luca Blight (S2) - Daos sweeps.
Daos vs Jack van Burace (WA1)
Daos vs KOS-MOS (XS)
Daos vs Beatrix (FF9)
Daos vs Zog (BoF1)
Daos vs Rydia (FF4)
Daos vs Elc (AtLC)
Daos vs Sierra Mikain (S2)
Daos vs Raquel Applegate (WA4)
Daos vs Angela (SD3)
Daos vs Rosa Harvey (FF4)
Daos vs  Ryu (BoF1)

Daos: 12-0
Solo: 4-8
Gau: 4-8
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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2009, 12:10:11 AM »
Since for some reason there's actually debate on Solo vs. Ryu, it's worth remembering that Ryu's breaths can crit (and can't be hit by Fendspell). Not that I see how Ryu would lose even if they couldn't, due to better speed + infinite resource 2HKO.

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Re: Proving Grounds round 2-1 H/G- Season 3 flashback time.
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2009, 12:29:23 AM »
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