Season 59, Week 4

[superaielman]

Godlike:

Violetta (G3) vs Guv (DQ8)
Celes Chere (FF6) vs *Profound Darkness (PS4)

Heavy:

Peppita Rosetti (SO3) vs Jowy Atreides (S2)
Neclord (Suikos) vs Odin (VP2)

Middle:

Gerik (FE8) vs Carol Anderson (WA5)
Arche Klein (ToP) vs Philia Felice (ToD)

Light:

Milich Oppenheimer (S1) vs Priscilla (FE7)
Saleh (FE8) vs Meg (Suikos)

[superaielman]

Vio, PD, Jowy, Neclord, Meg. None of these matches are close at all.


Light:

Milich Oppenheimer (S1) vs Priscilla (FE7)- Easily 2HKOs. His excellent magic score should prevent Priscilla from doing much in return.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Godlike:

Violetta (G3) vs Guv (DQ8): May change this if someone reveals Stream Killer to be ranged.
Celes Chere (FF6) vs Profound Darkness (PS4): Rar champ. (Well, rar finalist?)

Heavy:

Peppita Rosetti (SO3) vs Jowy Atreides (S2): Boom.
Neclord (Suikos) vs Odin (VP2): Actually has HP. (unless we talk about S2 Neclord, in which case "actually has high damage at full HP") All those elemental resistances he has doesn't make Odin happy since Odin is pretty elementally reliant until low HP, too.

Middle:

Gerik (FE8) vs Carol Anderson (WA5): Probably. Carol is fairly overrated.

Light:

Milich Oppenheimer (S1) vs Priscilla (FE7): Hmm, Milich 2HKOs easily, but he goes second and triggers counters, so he needs to survive either 3 attacks (he can do this) or 5 if Priscilla evades once. Milich's accuracy is below average (man I overrated him, being below average in 2 DL stats sucks) so this miiight happen. Milich isn't durable enough to survive 5 Thunders, and Priscilla can even start with fire equipped for a little more evade and still complete the 5HKO. Hmm, yeah, Priscilla is just over 50% chance of winning. Granted, it helps her case that if crits are considered individually instead of on average things swing her way more because Milich does need one crit to kill and Pris' high luck is lowering his rate of those.
Saleh (FE8) vs Meg (Suikos): Close matches are always rendered irrelevant by who is coming up in the next match~

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Godlike:

Violetta (G3) vs Guv (DQ8) - Yeah no.
Celes Chere (FF6) vs Profound Darkness (PS4) - Seriously, no.

Heavy:

Peppita Rosetti (SO3) vs Jowy Atreides (S2) - Boom.
Neclord (Suikos) vs Odin (VP2) - Jesus christ Odin.

Middle:

Arche Klein (ToP) vs Philia Felice (ToD) - Arche mocks Philia's basically everything. Gogogo Black Robe. Meanwhile, Philia fails against Extension. Also, Philia's proud tradition of robbing matches seems to be holding up well.

Light:

Milich Oppenheimer (S1) vs Priscilla (FE7) - Sure, whatever. Not that this fight matters anyway~
Saleh (FE8) vs Meg (Suikos) - ~!

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike:

Violetta (G3) vs Guv (DQ8)
Celes Chere (FF6) vs *Profound Darkness (PS4)

Heavy:

Peppita Rosetti (SO3) vs Jowy Atreides (S2)
Neclord (Suikos) vs Odin (VP2)

Middle:

Gerik (FE8) vs Carol Anderson (WA5)- Damage is similar, but Carol's damage heals her 25% and she's faster and avoids counters.
Arche Klein (ToP) vs Philia Felice (ToD)- 20% or worse ID hype~

Light:

Milich Oppenheimer (S1) vs Priscilla (FE7)- Killer average=Milich has the time for this easily. Also, not missing to me.
Saleh (FE8) vs Meg (Suikos)

[Pyro]

Godlike:

Violetta (G3) vs Guv (DQ8): Not tooooo sure on this one. I assume that she can take down one robot before it moves with the ID spell? Well no. She doesn't insta-double them. But between that and the chance of Stream Killer Attack not being 100% she probably wins. I think. Maybe.
Celes Chere (FF6) vs *Profound Darkness (PS4): Rar I am PD I eat your worlds.

Heavy:

Peppita Rosetti (SO3) vs Jowy Atreides (S2): Go first, OHKO? Probably. Not checking too closely.
Neclord (Suikos) vs Odin (VP2): Yuck.

Middle:

Gerik (FE8) vs Carol Anderson (WA5): Uh... draining damage vs. not? She's also faster. Not really sure how to distinguish these two. I think his low Res and going second hurts. Although he may counter with a hand axe or whatever? Not sure I would even see that working on the drain though. Meh. If someone argues otherwise I'll likely change it.
Arche Klein (ToP) vs Philia Felice (ToD): Glorious no thinking required at all. Arche smash.

Light:

Milich Oppenheimer (S1) vs Priscilla (FE7): I... guess. Feels kind of "no" to assume the Suiko crit average and not the FE7...
Saleh (FE8) vs Meg (Suikos): Saleh may have an argument, but my gut says "FE Light mage vs. physicals = pain" so.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Meg has Silent Lake so Saleh really doesn't have an argument. Too bad, since his pdur actually isn't that bad.

Carol's Life Drain is ITD so it doesn't benefit from Gerik's low res, and just slams into his high HP. Also no idea why Hand Axe wouldn't be able to counter it, it is a singletarget draining spell (like Nosferatu). Unless you want to argue that WA4-5 ignore FE counters in general due to being hex target but screw that.

[Hunter Sopko]

Wouldn't she just be able to move out of range of the Hand Axe before casting the spell? Well, I guess that depends on how you view the battlefield, I guess. WA5 you couldn't really get three hexes away unless you were on a boss map... but I'm pretty sure it worked at 3 hexes away.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Hmm, hadn't considered that. I'm inclined to subject Life Drain to FE's rules since it itself does not ignore counters in-game and Hand Axes counter all magic except those specifically designed to have uber range in FE, so the balance of interpretations here suggests that it's not long range enough to avoid counters. But I could see thinking differently.

[Ultradude]

Hmmm. Hand axe counter + silver sword hit = dead Carol? I think that works for me, though evasion, speed, etc. may throw a wrench in that.

[Dhyerwolf]

Hmmm. Hand axe counter + silver sword hit = dead Carol? I think that works for me, though evasion, speed, etc. may throw a wrench in that.

Carol can take a Hand axe attack and a Silver Sword attack (Gerik needs to face 80% Pdur to have that kill). Of course, allowing counters (Well, allowing Gerik to have counter supremacy over magic which he doesn't have in!) should make it hard for Carol to win regardless I think. Taking Killer averages and factoring the crits into damage might do it, and I suppose if Carol's evasion was potent enough that might do it too. I suppose she could waste her first turn so that when she attacks turn 2, all the damage goes to draining and she forces Gerik to stick with the weaker, less accurate weapon if he wants to counter.

[Monkeyfinger]

Violetta (G3) vs Guv (DQ8): May change this if someone reveals Stream Killer to be ranged.

It's melee. Just a big series of sword slashes.

[SnowFire]

On the other hand melee-ish special moves in Grandia III work just fine at penetrating Blaze Wall IIRC so I don't see why it's even relevant.  Blaze Wall only really stopped normal physicals.  (Of course for me no CT for Guv so moot.)

Also since no one else has spoken out yet, obvious Odin >>>>  Neclord slaughter over here.  Neclord respect not found + I see Odin as having enough HP for his game to basically work.  Odin > Albert Simon was something of a rob, so it'll be really strange if Neclord somehow manages to pull it out here, unless there was some kind of weird voting public disrespect of Simon.

Also elemental antihype from DHE doesn't work; checking stat topic to confirm, Neclord is *weak* to Resurrection, and Odin's best damage pre-Spiritual Lancer has Holy added in.  I can see saying Resurrection is different so no hitting weakness hype, but Odin definitely gets around Neclord's elemental strengths if nothing else.

[Dhyerwolf]

Even without Blaze Wall, Violetta still has that 50% evasion, and all p hysicals in DQ 8 hit evasion anyways I think. Throw in that one of the monsters making up the attack might not even be alive, they might all use something else, etc...seems like the odds are that Violetta comes out of it with a solid chunk of her life left.

[Monkeyfinger]

On the other hand melee-ish special moves in Grandia III work just fine at penetrating Blaze Wall IIRC so I don't see why it's even relevant.  Blaze Wall only really stopped normal physicals.

Elf doesn't see it that way, although I agree with you.

But yeah, stream killer is technically a lot of multiple attacks. 50% evasion cuts the damage in half in DQ8 - in the animation, you see a bunch of the slashes miss.

[Dark Holy Elf]

The only melee attacks that penetrate Blaze Wall ignore evade. Stream Killer does not ignore evade, and is melee, ergo it does not ignore Blaze Wall. Though yes, evade gives it enough problems probably.

Also elemental antihype from DHE doesn't work; checking stat topic to confirm, Neclord is *weak* to Resurrection, and Odin's best damage pre-Spiritual Lancer has Holy added in.  I can see saying Resurrection is different so no hitting weakness hype, but Odin definitely gets around Neclord's elemental strengths if nothing else.

Suikoden 1 Neclord isn't weak to Resurrection, and that's the one I vote on (S2 form, though gameplaywise it may have arguments for being better, I ignore because of the whole "lulz trapped by anti-vampire field" plot nonsense going on at the time, which is why his HP is so bad compared to s1). Also, for what it's worth, Odin's holy-elemental attack is also a limit, at 70%; his best damaging moves before that are ice and fire.