Invading the contient of champions #4: Garm

[Monkeyfinger]

Fuck you guys. I played through VPDS A route because of your shit. I PLAYED MORE VPDS BECAUSE YOU INSISTED THAT GARM WAS THE BESTEST IDEA EVER.

Well, here. You wanted it, you got it. Doggy's probably about to get taken to the pound; hope you're happy.

Garm vs. Kuja
Garm vs. Sephiroth
Garm vs. Fou-Lu
Garm vs. Ghaleon
Garm vs. Orlandu
Garm vs. Ash Lambert
Garm vs. Albedo
Garm vs. Melfice
Garm vs. Myria
Garm vs. Ryu3
Garm vs. Ryu4
Garm vs. Yuna
Garm vs. Piastol
Garm vs. Kefka
Garm vs. Zophar
Garm vs. Luca Blight
Garm vs. Yuri Hyuga
Garm vs. Profound Darkness
Garm vs. Jade
Garm vs. Emelious
Garm vs. Jenna Angel
Garm vs. Lady
Garm vs. Empyrea
Garm vs. Cloud of Darkness
Garm vs. Heat
Garm vs. False Althena
Garm vs. Isolde

Closes in about a week

Sulphur: lol
Reicher: 70-58
Sora: 55-81

[Random Consonant]

Disclaimer: Not holding Defiance against Garm.  It'd be something of a lolfest otherwise.

Garm vs. Kuja - SPLAT
Garm vs. Sephiroth - Overkills first.  Not terribly inclined to see Garm as having initiative.
Garm vs. Fou-Lu - Strong kneejerk
Garm vs. Ghaleon - Too durable, I think.
Garm vs. Orlandu - Kills first.
Garm vs. Ash Lambert - No Vandalier for me.
Garm vs. Melfice - Huh.  Do I think that evasion saves Melfice here?  EDIT: Sure, why not.
Garm vs. Ryu3 - Thinking Ryu3 goes first here.
Garm vs. Ryu4 - Ryu4, however, does not.
Garm vs. Kefka - Splorch.
Garm vs. Zophar - Strong kneejerk
Garm vs. Luca Blight - Kneejerk
Garm vs. Profound Darkness - Haha no.

Huh, it's a lolfest anyways.  Needs more durability, really.

[superaielman]

Garm vs. Kuja- Don't think reflect is enough.
Garm vs. Sephiroth- Should have enough damage. Though I should check Seph's chipping damage to be sure.
Garm vs. Fou-Lu- What's the term? lol? Let's go with that.
Garm vs. Ghaleon
Garm vs. Orlandu- Think Orlandu just misses the OHKO.
Garm vs. Ash Lambert- See Orlandu.
Garm vs. Albedo
Garm vs. Melfice- Go first, 2HKO. May 3-2 even, but won't need to with Garm HP.
Garm vs. Myria
Garm vs. Ryu3
Garm vs. Ryu4
Garm vs. Yuna
Garm vs. Piastol
Garm vs. Kefka- See Orlandu. Kefka may well tank a Garm chain, but I'm kneejerking no to that right now.
Garm vs. Zophar
Garm vs. Luca Blight- Multi elemental attacks against Luca fail miserably. He tanks a Garm chain anyway and kills him before Garm gets a second turn.
Garm vs. Yuri Hyuga- Block status, tank, smash.
Garm vs. Profound Darkness
Garm vs. Jade
Garm vs. Emelious
Garm vs. Jenna Angel
Garm vs. Lady
Garm vs. Empyrea- Good question. Abstain for now, this is close.
Garm vs. Heat
Garm vs. False Althena
Garm vs. Isolde

Garm's got issues. She's almost always loses if he is slower than a person and doesn't OHKO them (To the extent that Claude kicks hier ass around the block, never good in Godlike). She beats some status whores and some PCs, but that is it.

Fuck you guys. I played through VPDS A route because of your shit. I PLAYED MORE VPDS BECAUSE YOU INSISTED THAT GARM WAS THE BESTEST IDEA EVER.

Best idea out of the special ed D+ effort that is VP:DS really says nothing.

[Monkeyfinger]

Garm vs. Kuja: Flare star really, really hurts overlevelled SRPG final bosses, Garm can't counter it, and I'm not seeing an OHKO for Garm.
Garm vs. Sephiroth: Sephiroth is 3HKOed through wall and can't avoid counters if he wants any damage at all. Wall, take hit, attack, take counter, take hit. Seph needs to OHKO here... no.
Garm vs. Fou-Lu
Garm vs. Ghaleon
Garm vs. Orlandu: OHKOs, isn't OHKOed. Orlandu can't block dark and Garm had a really high hit stat to make shields negligible.
Garm vs. Albedo
Garm vs. Melfice: I'm leaning toward Melfice's evade being 100% rather than truly perfect these days, meaning someone super-accurate like Garm can hit him. So... garm 2HKOs and Melfice isn't fast enough to 3-2 turn and kill first.
Garm vs. Myria
Garm vs. Ryu3: This Ryu was above average speed...
Garm vs. Ryu4:... but not this one. Garm just takes him out before he moves.
Garm vs. Yuna
Garm vs. Piastol
Garm vs. Kefka: Edit: changed my mind, Kefka OHKOs
Garm vs. Zophar
Garm vs. Luca Blight: Garm needs a 3HKO, think I see it though.
Garm vs. Yuri Hyuga: Mild dark res lets Yuri 1 survive a hit with his SR stats, and he 2HKOs. Yuri2 can also probably stall out.
Garm vs. Profound Darkness
Garm vs. Jade
Garm vs. Emelious: Emelious has better stats than Melfice, but fears counters unlike Melfice, and his evade doesn't work for the same reason.
Garm vs. Jenna Angel
Garm vs. Lady
Garm vs. Empyrea: Most of Garm's big damage was physical, right? Eh, surely doesn't matter, big bird 2 rounds easily enough and Garm doesn't get extra counters against multi-actions.
Garm vs. Cloud of Darkness: Unless CoD was above average speed. First attacker wins and Garm's range makes me inclined to give her tiebreaks. FF3DS had real speed, but CoD's isn't listed...
Garm vs. Heat: Even with garm going first... heat takes the hit. Heat tentacles, one tentacle attacks, counter kills it. Garm kills the other tentacle. Heat tentacles, one tentacle attacks, counter kills it. Repeat. Multi-hit attacks don't go through tentacles and a physical->SC chain is all one attack.
Garm vs. False Althena
Garm vs. Isolde: Garm really hates thunder rain, and the triple act ends with it, so it's not getting her countered to death.

8-18

[DjinnAndTonic]

Garm's a bit one-dimensional, but a fairly solid mid-Godlike. Also, I rather enjoyed VPDS, I think the anti-hype is really exaggerated... >.>;;

Garm vs. Kuja
Garm vs. Sephiroth
Garm vs. Fou-Lu
Garm vs. Ghaleon
Garm vs. Orlandu
Garm vs. Ash Lambert
Garm vs. Albedo
Garm vs. Melfice
Garm vs. Myria
Garm vs. Ryu3
Garm vs. Ryu4
Garm vs. Yuna
Garm vs. Piastol
Garm vs. Kefka
Garm vs. Zophar
Garm vs. Luca Blight
Garm vs. Yuri Hyuga
Garm vs. Profound Darkness
Garm vs. Jade
Garm vs. Emelious
Garm vs. Jenna Angel
Garm vs. Lady
Garm vs. Empyrea
Garm vs. Cloud of Darkness
Garm vs. Heat
Garm vs. False Althena
Garm vs. Isolde

Not a bad showing, does exactly as expected, really.

[Talaysen]

Garm vs. Kuja
Garm vs. Sephiroth
Garm vs. Fou-Lu
Garm vs. Ghaleon
Garm vs. Orlandu
Garm vs. Ash Lambert
Garm vs. Albedo
Garm vs. Melfice
Garm vs. Myria
Garm vs. Ryu3
Garm vs. Ryu4
Garm vs. Yuna
Garm vs. Piastol
Garm vs. Kefka
Garm vs. Zophar
Garm vs. Luca Blight
Garm vs. Yuri Hyuga
Garm vs. Profound Darkness
Garm vs. Jade
Garm vs. Emelious
Garm vs. Jenna Angel
Garm vs. Lady
Garm vs. Empyrea
Garm vs. Cloud of Darkness
Garm vs. Heat
Garm vs. False Althena
Garm vs. Isolde

[Pyro]

As a reminder for Heat, Garm's counters are basically MT.

[Dhyerwolf]

Disclaimer: Not holding Defiance against Garm.  It'd be something of a lolfest otherwise.

Soul Strikes at the least ignore Defiance so it wouldn't make her quite as emo anyways.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Garm vs. Kuja: Massive spoiling if I see Kuja 3-2ing average. Think I do today. So yeah MT + 3HKO before being 2HKOed.
Garm vs. Sephiroth: Wall, take two hits en route to a Shadow Flare 2HKO.
Garm vs. Fou-Lu: Ouch.
Garm vs. Ghaleon
Garm vs. Orlandu: Yeah, I do see Garm enough above PC for this.
Garm vs. Ash Lambert: Probably.
Garm vs. Albedo: yeesh
Garm vs. Melfice: Melfice's evade doesn't do anything against counters. This forces him to whore Demon Horde Slash or something similarly lulzy, and Garm outslugs that with Dark Saviour/Poison Blow.
Garm vs. Myria: um
Garm vs. Ryu3: har
Garm vs. Ryu4: Ryu4 is slow and lacks paralysis resistance.
Garm vs. Yuna: haha
Garm vs. Kefka: OHKO
Garm vs. Zophar: Take a hit and OHKO.
Garm vs. Luca Blight: If flame slashes get around counters... and I guess they do?... then he wins this, yeah.
Garm vs. Yuri Hyuga: Yuri can block paralysis and survive a hit with For Everyone, then smash from there? Dark res also helps.
Garm vs. Profound Darkness: Yeaaah.
Garm vs. Jade: Indeed.
Garm vs. Emelious: Get some MT, Emelious. Not seeing SHADOW WAVE win this one.
Garm vs. Jenna Angel: Pah.
Garm vs. Lady: Kaboom.
Garm vs. Empyrea: Do a physical counter + Dark Saviour kill? Thinking... probably. Close though. Assuming Empyrea doesn't one-shot first but I don't think she does...
Garm vs. Cloud of Darkness: Assuming she gets her second turn before Garm (either straight-up faster or Haste boosting speed a little), Haste then double physical should one-round.
Garm vs. Heat: If Garm goes first (and she probably does?) then yeah, Heat basically can't attack without giving up an opening. If Heat goes first... Tentacle then attack, counter kills both tentacles, Garm smash. Heat just never gets an offence going, Garm spoils him perfectly. EDIT: No, no she doesn't. Heat just sticks to using Inferno Roar before putting up Tentacles each turn, MT ownage ensues.
Garm vs. False Althena: Ugly.
Garm vs. Isolde: Timed cards are bad news for Garm.

Not fully sure why people call her Garm instead of her storyline name? I guess that's the battle form but see BFA/Godhand/Malice Killer/etc. Oh well, VPDS SPOILERS or something.

Anyway: 7-19

[Random Consonant]

Disclaimer: Not holding Defiance against Garm.  It'd be something of a lolfest otherwise.

Soul Strikes at the least ignore Defiance so it wouldn't make her quite as emo anyways.

Do they?  Huh, go figure.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

They do, and that's the only reason VPDS lategame bosses even register in the offense scale in-game.

[Talaysen]

Garm's counters are not full MT.  They only hit the things that attack in that "round".  If only one of Heat's tentacles attacks, then only that one would get countered.  Matters first turn if he doesn't start with them out, since only one can attack then.

Actually, looking at the topic, Heat's attacks are MT anyway.

[Monkeyfinger]

Not fully sure why people call her Garm instead of her storyline name? I guess that's the battle form but see BFA/Godhand/Malice Killer/etc. Oh well, VPDS SPOILERS or something.

Because she's... Garm. That's who it actually is, everything before that was just a persona, a disguise. I think it's a more comparable case to Albert Simon, who we USED to call Roger Bacon but changed a long time ago.

[Dark Holy Elf]

I suppose that's fair, actually. Still, in this case, the "disguise" feels like the better ranking name, same as Marle and Citan. Roger Bacon might have been the same but calling him that gets too confusing when there is, in fact, a real Roger Bacon. You're right that we did indeed once mainly call him Bacon, but once the real Roger Bacon started picking up fans and getting talked about a lot, this changed.

[DjinnAndTonic]

And to contrast, the character has a PC form in the Seraphic Gate that's quite different from her Garm form.

[superaielman]

Note to Monkey: Give Repede a spin in this next?

[Monkeyfinger]

Yeah, yeah. Later.

[DjinnAndTonic]

*pokes for more Champion-Contient-Invasion goodness*