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Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« on: January 06, 2013, 05:18:27 PM »
Jade 6, Arc 0
Indalecio 7, Lavos 3
Ellen 4, Feena 1
Sephiroth 10, Kuja 0

Steiner 10, Ramza 0
Gala 3, Fina 2 (Kobreak)
Ashley 4, Dias 2
T260G 7, Fogel 0

Rand 8, Sprigg 0
Gijimu 5, Destin 1
Setzer 9, Alice 0
Agrias 4, Rassius 2

Relm 5, Meredy 1
Rikku 10, Riddle 0
Brey 4, Zieg 1
Meg 10, Nara 0

Godlike:

Galcian (SoA) vs Lamington (Disgaea)
Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zio (PS4)
Jade (BoF1) vs Indalecio (SO2)
Ellen Kirishima (Pers) vs Sephiroth (FF7)

Heavy:

Teepo (BoF3) vs Mazus (S2)
Laike (Lunar:SSSC) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4)
Aldelbert Steiner (FF9) vs Gala (LoL1)
Ashley Winchester (WA2) vs T260G (SaGa)

Middle:

Justin (G1) vs FuSoYa (FF4)
Nash (Lunar:SSSC) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Rand (BoF2) vs Gijimu (S2)
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Agrias Oaks (FFT)

Light:

Bowser Koopa (SMRPG) vs Lezard Valeth (VPs)
Liz (WA2) vs Jacques (S3)
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Rikku (FFX)
Brey  (DQ4) vs Meg (Suikos)
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2013, 05:32:58 PM »
Godlike:

Galcian (SoA) vs Lamington (Disgaea)- Outslugs. Lamington handles physicals well enough.
Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zio (PS4)- Check please.
Jade (BoF1) vs Indalecio (SO2)- Starts the fight with BoltX.
Ellen Kirishima (Pers) vs Sephiroth (FF7)

Heavy:

Teepo (BoF3) vs Mazus (S2)- Teepo can survive a single blazing camp, which is enough.
Laike (Lunar:SSSC) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4)- Explode.
Aldelbert Steiner (FF9) vs Gala (LoL1)- Thunder resistance makes Gala very sad.
Ashley Winchester (WA2) vs T260G (SaGa)

Middle:

Justin (G1) vs FuSoYa (FF4)- Kneejerk that he manages a OHKO.
Nash (Lunar:SSSC) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)- Status.
Rand (BoF2) vs Gijimu (S2)- Can tank through Giji's offense.
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Agrias Oaks (FFT)- Kneejerk. I don't think Agrias manages a 2HKO, and she needs that here.

Light:

Bowser Koopa (SMRPG) vs Lezard Valeth (VPs)- ID.
Liz (WA2) vs Jacques (S3)- Liz.
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Rikku (FFX)-Overdrive busts Relm's healing game.
Brey  (DQ4) vs Meg (Suikos)- A lucky use of Chaos might give Brey a chance, but nah. he is frail enough that Meg physicals are a problem for him.  EDIT: No, Chaos is better than I remembered. Brey goes first, chaoses, and wins. Meg only  has a 1/4 chance to actually physical, and even Brey doesn't fear her base physical. She is just *fucked* if she heals Brey or attacks herself to boot. EDIT2: SL Speed boost is enough, thankfully.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2013, 05:56:46 PM »
Godlike:

Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zio (PS4): Better. Also holy damage.
Jade (BoF1) vs Indalecio (SO2): Far more durable.

Heavy:

Teepo (BoF3) vs Mazus (S2): This is close. Mazus may well have a 2HKO... but he's probably a bit slower, and he needs both calls since Teepo 2HKOs him.
Laike (Lunar:SSSC) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4): Explode.
Ashley Winchester (WA2) vs T260G (SaGa): What can I say? There are no words.

Middle:

Justin (G1) vs FuSoYa (FF4): um
Nash (Lunar:SSSC) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9): All the status effects. ALL OF THEM.
Rand (BoF2) vs Gijimu (S2): Close fight. The speed split is about 130% to me (Gijimu about 93%, Rand about 72%). Gijimu 3HKOs. So before Rand runs out of AP, he gets three opportunities to actually attack (only on consecutive turns he isn't doubled). He can get the fourth whenever he wants. That's about all he has time for, but it's all he needs, since he manages a 4HKO against the 1.37 pdur Gijimu.
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Agrias Oaks (FFT): Setzer's damage isn't too scary against non-healers, doesn't 3HKO Agrias.

Light:

Bowser Koopa (SMRPG) vs Lezard Valeth (VPs): Spiritual Thorn.
Liz (WA2) vs Jacques (S3): I think. Liz is pretty bad.
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Rikku (FFX): Relm has no answer to ABPs.
Brey  (DQ4) vs Meg (Suikos): Silent Lake makes this kinda over. I guess Brey is faster but I doubt he confuse locks to victory or anything like that. EDIT: maybe he can? abstain for now
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2013, 07:08:35 PM »
Godlike:

Galcian (SoA) vs Lamington (Disgaea)
Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zio (PS4) - Ouch.
Jade (BoF1) vs Indalecio (SO2) - I allow Unlimited Indy,  but maybe he still loses?
Ellen Kirishima (Pers) vs Sephiroth (FF7) - Seph can't actually hurt Ellen. Physiwall sucks for him.

Heavy:

Teepo (BoF3) vs Mazus (S2)
Laike (Lunar:SSSC) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4) - Does anyone know if Laike's Refresh/Fresh Ring can prevent ID? Does ID even exist in Lunar? Does that even matter here? Hum.
Aldelbert Steiner (FF9) vs Gala (LoL1)
Ashley Winchester (WA2) vs T260G (SaGa)

Middle:

Justin (G1) vs FuSoYa (FF4) - I think Justin barely misses killing him.
Nash (Lunar:SSSC) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Rand (BoF2) vs Gijimu (S2)
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Agrias Oaks (FFT)

Light:

Bowser Koopa (SMRPG) vs Lezard Valeth (VPs) - I allow Boss Lezard, so...
Liz (WA2) vs Jacques (S3)
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Rikku (FFX) - I really ought to allow Relm magic someday.
Brey  (DQ4) vs Meg (Suikos) Sadness.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2013, 07:17:11 PM »
ID does exist in Lunar, and accessories don't block it. (Ghaleon's Fate Storm.)
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2013, 07:40:58 PM »
Seph has way too much status for Ellen to block.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2013, 07:54:03 PM »
By the way, Suikoden 2 Silent Lake also gets a +40 speed boost like all S2 support spells, if this is any relevant for Brey/Meg.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2013, 07:59:06 PM »
Godlike:

Galcian (SoA) vs Lamington (Disgaea)
Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zio (PS4)
Jade (BoF1) vs Indalecio (SO2)
Ellen Kirishima (Pers) vs Sephiroth (FF7)

Heavy:

Teepo (BoF3) vs Mazus (S2)
Laike (Lunar:SSSC) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4)
Aldelbert Steiner (FF9) vs Gala (LoL1)- No vote.
Ashley Winchester (WA2) vs T260G (SaGa)- <Elfboy> Should have... sent a poet...

Middle:

Justin (G1) vs FuSoYa (FF4)
Nash (Lunar:SSSC) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Rand (BoF2) vs Gijimu (S2)- Elfmath makes sense to me.
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Agrias Oaks (FFT)

Light:

Bowser Koopa (SMRPG) vs Lezard Valeth (VPs)
Liz (WA2) vs Jacques (S3)
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Rikku (FFX)
Brey  (DQ4) vs Meg (Suikos)
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 08:03:21 PM »
Snow, are you sure about that? Also, these speed boosts should probably be noted in the stat topic explicitly, they are pretty important and it's not always intuitive what gets them.

Anyway if that's true, Meg has this easily.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 08:06:19 PM »
I'm 100% certain of this, since I've done testing on all the support skills in S2 back when I played it. I remember noting that in the old Suikoden 2 stat topic as well, but that's long gone now. The ones I'm not sure about are the healing spells, but everything else was pretty much on the spot. Guess I'll leave that in the topic.

EDIT: More specifically, I tested the Earth Rune support spells and Silent Lake for this. Storm Warning, I didn't, however. For all relevance it may never have.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2013, 08:26:49 PM »
Quote from: superaielman on January 06, 2013, 07:40:58 PM
Seph has way too much status for Ellen to block.

Status spells get reflected in Persona, I'd see them reflected here, too.

EDIT: I can confirm what Snow is saying, I'll test the other spells here in a bit and reply in the topic.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2013, 08:44:07 PM »
Re the Ellen thing, I'm not sure it matters? Sephiroth has dispel (unreflectable/immunable, and certainly DDS dispels worked through all immunities in the same way) and is faster, so any buff Ellen uses, he can negate.

Regarding the S2 thing, Gourry notes that Bob's transformation has a boost, and says healing does too, which fits my memory, though it would be nice to confirm this.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2013, 10:14:17 PM »
Godlike:

Galcian (SoA) vs Lamington (Disgaea)
Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zio (PS4)
Jade (BoF1) vs Indalecio (SO2)
Ellen Kirishima (Pers) vs Sephiroth (FF7)- Sephiroth is just faster and uses his physical with the paralysis.

Heavy:

Teepo (BoF3) vs Mazus (S2)
Laike (Lunar:SSSC) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4)
Aldelbert Steiner (FF9) vs Gala (LoL1)- WAIT PEOPLE VOTED FOR GALA LAST WEEK WHAT
Ashley Winchester (WA2) vs T260G (SaGa)

Middle:

Justin (G1) vs FuSoYa (FF4)
Nash (Lunar:SSSC) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Rand (BoF2) vs Gijimu (S2)
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Agrias Oaks (FFT)

Light:

Bowser Koopa (SMRPG) vs Lezard Valeth (VPs)
Liz (WA2) vs Jacques (S3)
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Rikku (FFX)
Brey  (DQ4) vs Meg (Suikos)
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2013, 12:29:00 AM »
Godlike:

Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zio (PS4) - har
Ellen Kirishima (Pers) vs Sephiroth (FF7) - sure I guess

Heavy:

Laike (Lunar:SSSC) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4)
Aldelbert Steiner (FF9) vs Gala (LoL1)
Ashley Winchester (WA2) vs T260G (SaGa)

Middle:

Justin (G1) vs FuSoYa (FF4) - shrug
Nash (Lunar:SSSC) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Rand (BoF2) vs Gijimu (S2)
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Agrias Oaks (FFT)

Light:

Bowser Koopa (SMRPG) vs Lezard Valeth (VPs) - What's a VP2 can you eat it
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Rikku (FFX)
Brey  (DQ4) vs Meg (Suikos) - roight, speed boost on ze lake.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2013, 06:46:26 AM »
Godlike
Galcian (SoA) vs Lamington (Disgaea)
Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zio (PS4)
Jade (BoF1) vs Indalecio (SO2)

Heavy
Teepo (BoF3) vs Mazus (S2)
Laike (Lunar:SSSC) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4)
Ashley Winchester (WA2) vs T260G (SaGa)

Middle
Justin (G1) vs FuSoYa (FF4)
Nash (Lunar:SSSC) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Rand (BoF2) vs Gijimu (S2)
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Agrias Oaks (FFT)

Light
Bowser Koopa (SMRPG) vs Lezard Valeth (VPs)
Liz (WA2) vs Jacques (S3)
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Rikku (FFX)
Brey (DQ4) vs Meg (Suikos)
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2013, 01:59:32 AM »
Updating this sometime this weekend. Get your votes in now!
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2013, 02:05:26 AM »
Godlike:

Galcian (SoA) vs Lamington (Disgaea)
Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zio (PS4)
Jade (BoF1) vs Indalecio (SO2)
Ellen Kirishima (Pers) vs Sephiroth (FF7): Godlike was easy.

Heavy:

Teepo (BoF3) vs Mazus (S2)
Laike (Lunar:SSSC) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4)
Aldelbert Steiner (FF9) vs Gala (LoL1)
Ashley Winchester (WA2) vs T260G (SaGa): So was Heavy...

Middle:

Justin (G1) vs FuSoYa (FF4)
Nash (Lunar:SSSC) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9)
Rand (BoF2) vs Gijimu (S2)
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Agrias Oaks (FFT): Armor HP. 3HKOs before 4HKOd.


Light:
Bowser Koopa (SMRPG) vs Lezard Valeth (VPs): Spiritual Thorn?
Liz (WA2) vs Jacques (S3)
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Rikku (FFX): Rikku for Godlike.
Brey  (DQ4) vs Meg (Suikos): Silent Lake.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2013, 02:11:21 AM »
Godlike:

Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zio (PS4) - splortch

Heavy:

Laike (Lunar:SSSC) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4) - Explode > Basic Physical

Middle:

Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Agrias Oaks (FFT) - I don't remember Setzer much, but his good stuff was unreliable to my recollection

Light:

Bowser Koopa (SMRPG) vs Lezard Valeth (VPs) - Guess who allows VP2 Boss Lezard
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2013, 02:11:26 AM »
Godlike:

Galcian (SoA) vs Lamington (Disgaea)
Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zio (PS4)
Jade (BoF1) vs Indalecio (SO2)
Ellen Kirishima (Pers) vs Sephiroth (FF7) - Godlike is fairly straightforward.

Heavy:

Teepo (BoF3) vs Mazus (S2) - I think it takes a BoF boss to tank out Mazus damage. But so it goes.
Laike (Lunar:SSSC) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4) - Laike can fuck right the hell off.
Aldelbert Steiner (FF9) vs Gala (LoL1) - I...think? I kinda forget what Gala even does besides have HP and be slow.
Ashley Winchester (WA2) vs T260G (SaGa) - Seems one sided.

Middle:

Justin (G1) vs FuSoYa (FF4)
Nash (Lunar:SSSC) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9) - I allow FF9 status blocking equips, but I don't think Vivi can block all the ones he needs to at once. I suppose I could check, but lazy.
Rand (BoF2) vs Gijimu (S2) - Gijimu isn't so strong that he heal locks Rand, so this'll take awhile but Rand wins eventually.
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Agrias Oaks (FFT) - Outslugged.

Light:

Bowser Koopa (SMRPG) vs Lezard Valeth (VPs) - Boss Lezard wins this, I think?
Liz (WA2) vs Jacques (S3) - Whatever.
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Rikku (FFX) - Not a light to me. Not that she needs common steals to beat RELM.
Brey  (DQ4) vs Meg (Suikos) - Mage vs Water Rune.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S9, Week 3
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2013, 07:57:44 PM »
Profound Darkness (PS4) vs Zio (PS4) - For fuck's sake.
Jade (BoF1) vs Indalecio (SO2) - For fuck's sake.

Teepo (BoF3) vs Mazus (S2) - 2HKOin' first.
Laike (Lunar:SSSC) vs Chaz Ashley (PS4) - ha-ha *Nelsonsplosion.*
Aldelbert Steiner (FF9) vs Gala (LoL1) :gala:+ff9equipment.png
Ashley Winchester (WA2) vs T260G (SaGa) - Trashcan in Heavy. God help us all.

Justin (G1) vs FuSoYa (FF4) - When in doubt...
Nash (Lunar:SSSC) vs Vivi Ornitier (FF9) - All le status.
Rand (BoF2) vs Gijimu (S2) - Elfboy just made it easy for me.
Setzer Gabianni (FF6) vs Agrias Oaks (FFT) - Setzer doesn't even 3HKO average typically. Agrias can get the turns she needs.

Bowser Koopa (SMRPG) vs Lezard Valeth (VPs) - ID.
Liz (WA2) vs Jacques (S3) - Liz is so bad.
Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Rikku (FFX) - Gaia Gear is useless. If you're status-bait and let Rikku see an Overdrive, you deserve it.
Brey  (DQ4) vs Meg (Suikos) - Meg's in ur room, trollin' ur DQ4 mages
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