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SCIENCE: Volsung Infinite turn works
« on: April 19, 2013, 11:46:21 PM »
Based on yesterday's conversation between Tal and I, time for SCIENCE (well part 1 of it anyway). So, you all remember Volsung, right? Topic refresher if you don't:  http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,35.0.htmlB

In a nutshell, literally has the ability for infinite turn works and an attack that may or may not crash the game if PCs survive it. We don't know yet, but proposed testing initiated (part 2 of SCIENCE). Remember how we never ranked him because he was "unbeatable"? Well, let's find out! I've pulled from CK's last Bluelike/twink tourney some candidates to see how good he is in practice along with the top 10 ranked godlikes at the time before the DL shut down. Standard vs. the world/proving grounds voting as you will. I'm not expecting this to get a lot of votes, but still interesting to see. Also, scale as you will since there will be super boss bonus.

BLUELIKE
Volsung vs. Iseria Queen (Valkyrie Profile)
Volsung vs. Gawn Brawdia (Wild ARMs 4)
Volsung vs. X-Death  (Final Fantasy V)- Tree of Mua Form
Volsung vs. Oz (Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road)
Volsung vs. Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI)- All Magic.  Choice of Esper.  Illlumina/Paladin Shield/Minerva/Mystery Veil/Marvel Shoes/Ribbon
Volsung vs. Revya (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)
Volsung vs. Blue (SaGa Frontier)
Volsung vs. Xenogears (Xenogears)- Scaled to on-foot PCs
Volsung vs. Vayne Caridus Solidor (Final Fantasy XII)
Volsung vs. T260G (SaGa Frontier)- http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,6162.msg147343.html#msg147343
Volsung vs. SRX (Super Robot Taisen: Original Generation 2)- SP Regen on all pilots.  May cast spirits preemptively before turn 1
Volsung vs.Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy VII)- Phoenix+Final Attack, E.Skills.  Mystile, Ribbon.
Volsung vs. Minato Arisato (Persona 3)
Volsung vs. Brahman (Digital Devil Saga 2)
Volsung vs. Bundt->Raspberry (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)- Full in-game mechanics, including all candles.

TWINKED GODLIKE
Volsung vs. Lute (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones)- Excalibur.  Maxed Con, Luck, and Speed.
Volsung vs. Bartholemew Fatima (Xenogears)- Power Crisis, LongDarkCoat, Speed Shoes.  Begins at 1 HP.
Volsung vs. Vaan (Final Fantasy XII)- All Magicks/Techniks/Augments.  May equip any storebought equipment.
Volsung vs. Cait Sith (Final Fantasy VII)- Sneak Attack+Shield, Master Magic+Counter, MP Up.  Mystile, Ribbon.
Volsung vs. Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII)- 4x Counter Attack, 4x HP Plus.  Missing Score.  Ribbon.
Volsung vs. Virginia Maxwell (Wild ARMs 3)- All mediums.  May not alter mediums mid-battle.
Volsung vs. Mia (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)- Resolve/Adept.  May use Brave Blade and Alondite in addition to legal weapons.  May begin battle at 50% HP to activate Resolve at her discretion.
Volsung vs. Luc (Suikoden II)- Cyclone, Mother Earth, Gale
Volsung vs. Raquel Applegate (Wild ARMs 4)- Prism Staff/Goat Doll.
Volsung vs. Toadstool (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)- Super Suit/Quartz Gem
Volsung vs. Estelle Bright (Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky)- Storebought Orbment selection.  Begins with 200 SP.


STANDARD GODLIKE
Volsung vs. Zophar
Volsung vs. Lady
Volsung vs. Myria
Volsung vs. Ghaleon
Volsung vs. Fou-Lu
Volsung vs. Xorn
Volsung vs. Yu Narukami
Volsung vs. Ryu3
Volsung vs. Jenna Angel
Volsung vs. Piastol

SUPERBOSS BONUS
Volsung vs. Emerald WEAPON
Volsung vs. Ruby WEAPON
Volsung vs. Margaret
Volsung vs. RaguXF
Volsung vs. Ragu4
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Re: SCIENCE: Volsung Infinite turn works
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2013, 03:03:00 AM »
BLUELIKE
Volsung vs. Iseria Queen (Valkyrie Profile) - Goes first, infinite turn works into oblivion
Volsung vs. Gawn Brawdia (Wild ARMs 4) - Gawn wins the speed race, unloads an attack that does about 3xPCHP. I think that's enough here.
Volsung vs. Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI) - Marvel Shoes gives Celes a chance to go first. Problem is, I have no idea what she can use to counter. I guess Quick in theory and then double Ultima. Is that enough? I'm not sure.
Volsung vs. Blue (SaGa Frontier) - Infinite turn works first.
Volsung vs. Xenogears (Xenogears) - 10 XG Speed is average. Volsung is above average. Welp.
Volsung vs. Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy VII) - Cloud basically needs 4 castings of Phoenix to win this and Phoenix wasn't that strong on offense. Leaning a win here.
Volsung vs. Minato Arisato (Persona 3) - Initiative, Armaggedon. Whee.
Volsung vs. Bundt->Raspberry (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) - Spoils said gimmick horribly.

TWINKED GODLIKE
Volsung vs. Lute (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) - The good news is, Lute counters. The bad news is, Volsung likely just OHKOs GZ Nemesis.
Volsung vs. Bartholemew Fatima (Xenogears) - Bart gets an attack off, but doesn't one round and dies.
Volsung vs. Cait Sith (Final Fantasy VII) - Sneak Attack Shield = the best set up. Volsung can do his infinite turn loop but fail to do any damage forever if he triggers that before Shield wears down. So as long as Cait times his Shield casting right, he'll get time to win this.
Volsung vs. Barret Wallace (Final Fantasy VII) - This on the other hand. Barret has a slim case (requires you see Volsung not OHKOing and Barret ORKOing back with counters), but probably not.
Volsung vs. Virginia Maxwell (Wild ARMs 3) - Mediums not as broke as materia.
Volsung vs. Raquel Applegate (Wild ARMs 4) - Goat Doll + 2 buffed swings from Moonlight/Power Charged = um ow.
Volsung vs. Mia (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) - Evade as durability on someone who ignores evade
Volsung vs. Toadstool (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) - Lets him get going. This is bad news.

STANDARD GODLIKE
Volsung vs. Yu Narukami - Yoshi speed + HT *may* be enough for  the OHKOing.

SUPERBOSS BONUS
Volsung vs. Emerald WEAPON - Kneejerk
Volsung vs. Ruby WEAPON - Kneejerk. Ultima counters only happen against KOTR, so Volsung activates infinite turns and slowly chips after like a million years to win.
Volsung vs. Margaret - Megidoloan is a non-factor. Volsung gets a turn, bad things happen.
Volsung vs. RaguXF - Doubles and probably OHKOs anyway, if not 2HKOs
Volsung vs. Ragu4 - Quadruples and like 0.5HKOs or something with OTD >_>.

Thoughts - Okay, so infinite turn works on someone who is above average and has about 1.5-2.0 PCHP is pretty damn good! In other news, I still have to test if auto-revive mechanics works. Might swing a match here.
<napalmman> In Suikoden I, In Chinchirorin, what is it called when you roll three of the same number?
<@Claude> yahtzee

<Dreamboum> Everyone is learning new speedgames!
<Dreamboum> A bright future awaits us gentlemens
<Pitted> I'm learning league of legends
<Dreamboum> go fuck yourself