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Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« on: April 19, 2013, 01:10:37 PM »
Sephiroth>Zio
Yunalesca>Cecilia
Chaos>Magus
Psaro>Celes

Decus>Lin
Seed>Shu
Rofel>Sonya
Maya>Farah

Beowulf>Rena
Rauny>Philia
Gallows>Twaikin
Fiora>Locke

Cray>Aguro
Garet>Marcus
Luna>Mustadio
Wan Fu>Earnest

Godlike:

Virgil (XS) vs Chris (S3)
Deis (BoFs) vs X-Death (FF5)
Ted (S4) vs Lucia (Suikos)
Ness (EB) vs Rashidi (OB)

Heavy:

Geddoe (S3) vs Rosa (FF4)
Haschel (LoD) vs Liete (G1)
Velhart (AtLC) vs Debonair (OB)
Izlude (FFT) vs Elc (AtLC)

Middle:

Venusaur (PKMN) vs Kyra (PS4)
Blastoise (PKMN) vs Zylo (SF1)
Grey (VP1) vs Mia (GS)
Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1)

Light:

Chaz (SF2) vs Marcus (FF9)
Rico (XG) vs Brey (DQ4)
Cyan (FF6) vs Tsai (S2)
Jean (BoF2) vs Hawkeye (FE7)
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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2013, 01:11:38 PM »
Godlike:

Virgil (XS) vs Chris (S3)- Shadow Wing.
Deis (BoFs) vs X-Death (FF5)- Not a stupid fucking tree.
Ted (S4) vs Lucia (Suikos)- This changes if Lucia gets two turns before Ted gets one and if two physicals kills Ted. Both of those seem very possible.

Heavy:

Geddoe (S3) vs Rosa (FF4)- Thunder resistance. Geddoe has a faint argument involving freeze but I don't buy it.
Haschel (LoD) vs Liete (G1)- Even if Haschel immunes Enclose, he is in all kinds of trouble here. 
Izlude (FFT) vs Elc (AtLC)- Elc beats everyone from FFT besides Orlandu. Izlude's not even close to putting up a fight.

Middle:

Venusaur (PKMN) vs Kyra (PS4)- Can halve the status.
Blastoise (PKMN) vs Zylo (SF1)- Zylo.
Grey (VP1) vs Mia (GS)- Sleep.
Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1)- Mullen.

Light:

Chaz (SF2) vs Marcus (FF9)-Marcus might be able to resist enough of Chaz's damage to make this a fight, but  my kneejerk is to dropkick FF9 temps. I'm going with that kneejerk.
Rico (XG) vs Brey (DQ4)- I don't think I see Brey 3-2ing and he has to have that to win.
Cyan (FF6) vs Tsai (S2)- Tsai blows.
Jean (BoF2) vs Hawkeye (FE7)- If I squint I can see an upset. Hawkeye wins with either a crit or avoiding death. The combined odds of that aren't enough to get a vote change, so death hits and Hawkeye goes boom.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2013, 02:03:48 PM »
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ZYLO hype is a go.

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Luis Virgil (XS) vs Chris Lightfellow (S3) - I generally think Virgil prefers his XS1 form for the sheer spoiling power. Here, the melee immunity alone completely trivializes Chris.
Deis (BoFs) vs Exdeath (FF5) - Deis goes first, but fails the 2HKO by a little bit, thus missing the opportunity to chip. Exdeath may miss one attack, but doubleacting once he hits limit phase dictates he should manage to finish what he started, particularly considering he's not far from OHKOing Deis as is. Deis2 is just kind of a slaughter, since she has -less- pdur.
Ted (S4) vs Lucia (Suikos) - Survives a single Lucia hit and leaves her smoldering corpse in his wake as REBITUTION retribution. Good thing too, because two smacks would send Ted straight to his grave.
Ness (EB) vs Rashidi (OB) - Ness doesn't OHKO much of anything in Godlike, and that includes Rashidi. That's real bad news.

Geddoe (S3) vs Rosa Farrel (FF4) - Lightning resistance pretty much shuts Geddoe down, considering how fast Rosa can tilt the fight her way.
Haschel (LoD) vs Liete (G1) - Nothing ever immunes Enclose. <_<
Velhart (AtLC) vs Kaus Debonair (OB) - Look, half a vote match.
Izlude Tingel (FFT) vs Elc (AtLC) - lulz.

Venusaur (PKMN) vs Kyra Tierney (PS4) - Nafoi 2HKOs and goes first, Venu's winning status is turn four or something inane just with Psy Shield... his best shot is hoping for a lucky turn loss from Paralysis, but between the odds of it missing at -base- and the low odds of turn skip... yeah.
Blastoise (PKMN) vs Zylo (SF1) - See my response to the topic title.
Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1) - Mullen in Middle holy shit we fail so much.

Chaz (SF2) vs Marcus (FF9) - I like Pyro's idea for the ShF2 topic, which makes Chaz rightfully suck like he does in-game. FF9 punting instincts are very healthy, though.
Rico Banderas (XG) vs Brey (DQ4) - EDIT: *mathmathmath.* 0.55 pdur, so he survives -one- hit. A 3-2... hmmm, actually happens if Rico is 70% average speed in this case. HOWEVER, Brey fails to 3HKO Rico by 0.66% even -without- the Memento Chain (accounted for due to needing to block Confusion). *Flush.*
Cyan Garamonde (FF6) vs Tsai (S2) - On average, he gets Cleave off in time, at least. Both fucking suck.
Ekaru Hoppe du Jean (BoF2) vs Hawkeye (FE7) - Yeah, not kneejerking for Hawkeye's swingy chances here.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2013, 08:13:42 PM »
Also, super, am I missing something? From my counting, Rauny went 2-1 last week (unless Pyro specified an off-topic vote), which would hand her the win over Philia.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2013, 09:06:28 PM »
You're correct, I am a half asleep putz. Fixed.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2013, 02:36:40 AM »
Godlike:

Deis (BoFs) vs X-Death (FF5)
Heavy:

Haschel (LoD) vs Liete (G1)
Izlude (FFT) vs Elc (AtLC)

Middle:

Venusaur (PKMN) vs Kyra (PS4)
Blastoise (PKMN) vs Zylo (SF1)
Grey (VP1) vs Mia (GS)
Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1)

Light:

Chaz (SF2) vs Marcus (FF9) - Man I don't even remember if Marcus had any resist gear
Rico (XG) vs Brey (DQ4)
Cyan (FF6) vs Tsai (S2)
Jean (BoF2) vs Hawkeye (FE7)

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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2013, 04:27:51 AM »
Godlike:

Virgil (XS) vs Chris (S3)
Deis (BoFs) vs X-Death (FF5)
Ted (S4) vs Lucia (Suikos)
Ness (EB) vs Rashidi (OB)
Heavy:

Geddoe (S3) vs Rosa (FF4)
Haschel (LoD) vs Liete (G1)
Velhart (AtLC) vs Debonair (OB)- We will see if I'm the sole voter. Anti basic physicals versus only basic physicals that matter.
Izlude (FFT) vs Elc (AtLC)
Middle:

Venusaur (PKMN) vs Kyra (PS4)
Blastoise (PKMN) vs Zylo (SF1)
Grey (VP1) vs Mia (GS)
Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1)- "Cagnazzo" is completely as valid a reason for auto-losing as "Mullen" in Middle. Cagnazzo's only steady damage 6HKOs, making Mullen's mightly 4HKO look fantastic. Cagnazzo of course can also 4HKO, but it only stays as a 4HKO if he's facing Mint level damage. I'm not even sure Cagnazzo has better HP not accounting for weaknesses; straight scaling from the damage in the topic gives Cagnazzo a mighty .7 PC HP before debilitating weaknesses that the two most damaging PCs can also hit. As can Mullen. OH YES, MULLEN ALSO PROBABLY 2HKOS. In order to 2R something, Cagnazzo needs an enemy who has 0.6 PC HP...and does absolutely no damage.

Light:

Chaz (SF2) vs Marcus (FF9)- Sure
Rico (XG) vs Brey (DQ4)
Cyan (FF6) vs Tsai (S2)
Jean (BoF2) vs Hawkeye (FE7)
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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2013, 04:45:00 AM »
Godlike:

Virgil (XS) vs Chris (S3): Melee immunity.
Deis (BoFs) vs X-Death (FF5): 2HKOs and isn't 2HKOed.
Ted (S4) vs Lucia (Suikos): Don't think Ted is fast enough to avoid two Lucia turns, but he's also apparently not as frail as I thought.


Heavy:

Geddoe (S3) vs Rosa (FF4): Pretty sure resisting lightning is enough.
Haschel (LoD) vs Liete (G1): Enclose -> stuff against bad mdur.

Middle:

Venusaur (PKMN) vs Kyra (PS4): Resists sleep.
Blastoise (PKMN) vs Zylo (SF1): Gross.
Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1): What tiny fraction of PCHP does Mullen have, again?

Light:

Chaz (SF2) vs Marcus (FF9): I'm moving away from overlevelled/aftergame abilities these days. Chaz is awful.
Rico (XG) vs Brey (DQ4): Huh, thought Brey was faster.
Cyan (FF6) vs Tsai (S2): Tsai misses the 3HKO? Well then.
Jean (BoF2) vs Hawkeye (FE7): Hawkeye's res is unspecial.

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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2013, 05:31:28 AM »
Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1): What tiny fraction of PCHP does Mullen have, again?

He's okay unless you scale him against a full party. He can at least certainly take 1 hit from Justin and if he is 2HKOing Cagnazzo, that means that when Big Wave comes off it's less than half damage (aka sub 30%). Cagnazzo only gets one.]

Edit: Cagnazzo gets 0 because Thunder hits him out of Big Wave. So he uses his 6HKO physical average, which also shouldn't 2HKO Mullen. Mullen still has Ice magic to hit a weakness.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2013, 06:08:20 AM »
My boss scaling doesn't care how many enemies a boss faces, so lol Mullen. He was a total joke fight in-game so I can't say I feel much sympathy, Cagnazzo at least OHKOs two PCs because the mages don't go fast enough to get a turn before he gets two and Cecil/Yang barely dent his HP (not sure if that's good speed or Big Wave's charge time being unusually small... actually, he's technically a different monster so I bet it's the "charging" form having much better speed, they did the same thing in FF5 with Twintania).

Come to think of it Mullen is kinda slow himself, isn't he? So there's a very real chance he's dead before he gets a turn.

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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2013, 07:15:17 AM »
In fairness to Chaz, a few levels past endgame would net him Freeze 4, which is strong 2HKO damage!

In fairness to the sanity of players, that involves raising a ShF2 mage with the durability that entails who can't deal damage past endgame levels.

Virgil (XS) vs Chris (S3): Straightforward.
Deis (BoFs) vs X-Death (FF5): Surely X-Death can tank 2 Deis spells...
Ted (S4) vs Lucia (Suikos): Judgement.
Ness (EB) vs Rashidi (OB)

Heavy:

Geddoe (S3) vs Rosa (FF4): I think? She has the variety.
Haschel (LoD) vs Liete (G1): Enclosed you will find: An Ass-Whupping.
Velhart (AtLC) vs Debonair (OB): Velhart's limit-type move polishes this off in addition to his anti-physical game?
Izlude (FFT) vs Elc (AtLC): Invicible -> Extract a few times.

Middle:

Venusaur (PKMN) vs Kyra (PS4): Psy-Shield.
Blastoise (PKMN) vs Zylo (SF1): Was Zylo really that bad?
Grey (VP1) vs Mia (GS)
Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1): I guess...

Light:

Chaz (SF2) vs Marcus (FF9): Marcus is just... averagish right?
Rico (XG) vs Brey (DQ4)
Cyan (FF6) vs Tsai (S2)
Jean (BoF2) vs Hawkeye (FE7): Crits and Jean's Death odds of missing could interplay here to favor Hawkeye, but nah.

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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2013, 04:16:28 PM »
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Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1)- "Cagnazzo" is completely as valid a reason for auto-losing as "Mullen" in Middle. Cagnazzo's only steady damage 6HKOs, making Mullen's mightly 4HKO look fantastic. Cagnazzo of course can also 4HKO, but it only stays as a 4HKO if he's facing Mint level damage. I'm not even sure Cagnazzo has better HP not accounting for weaknesses; straight scaling from the damage in the topic gives Cagnazzo a mighty .7 PC HP before debilitating weaknesses that the two most damaging PCs can also hit. As can Mullen. OH YES, MULLEN ALSO PROBABLY 2HKOS. In order to 2R something, Cagnazzo needs an enemy who has 0.6 PC HP...and does absolutely no damage.

Yang hits weakness there as well, for what it's worth.

Pyro: Marcus is Zidane with no skillset. This might still be enough to beat Chaz, who redefines failure without Blaze 4.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2013, 04:48:10 PM »
Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1): What tiny fraction of PCHP does Mullen have, again?

For whatever's worth, anyone who's getting 1.5HKOed by average in-game damage (support shenanigans aside) to me is likely within "overkilled by Krin" range to me. Mullen I'd kneejerk as 15% PC HP just for that. >_>
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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2013, 09:44:56 PM »
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Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1)- "Cagnazzo" is completely as valid a reason for auto-losing as "Mullen" in Middle. Cagnazzo's only steady damage 6HKOs, making Mullen's mightly 4HKO look fantastic. Cagnazzo of course can also 4HKO, but it only stays as a 4HKO if he's facing Mint level damage. I'm not even sure Cagnazzo has better HP not accounting for weaknesses; straight scaling from the damage in the topic gives Cagnazzo a mighty .7 PC HP before debilitating weaknesses that the two most damaging PCs can also hit. As can Mullen. OH YES, MULLEN ALSO PROBABLY 2HKOS. In order to 2R something, Cagnazzo needs an enemy who has 0.6 PC HP...and does absolutely no damage.

Yang hits weakness there as well, for what it's worth.

Pyro: Marcus is Zidane with no skillset. This might still be enough to beat Chaz, who redefines failure without Blaze 4.

If Cagnazzo's turn charge time is actually a lot quicker that helps. But if Yang hits one of the weaknesses, that kind of makes the respect go back down since 3/5 of the PCs hit him out of Big Wave (even worse if Yang has a Thunder/Ice combo at that time). But yeah, if you scale Mullen against multiple PCs, then Cagnazzo may get to OHKO with his physical. But scaled against 1 PC with like 0.8 PC HP, Cagnazzo needs Big Wave to resolve prior to Mullen's acting and he still comes close to winning. Cagnazzo is that bad against people who hit both his weaknesses.
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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2013, 10:08:40 PM »
Physical lightning doesn't knock Cagnazzo out of charging for what it's worth.

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Re: Redoing an old season: S18 W2. ZYLO hype is a go.
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2013, 11:35:01 PM »
Godlike
Virgil (XS) vs Chris (S3)
Deis (BoFs) vs X-Death (FF5)
Ted (S4) vs Lucia (Suikos)
Ness (EB) vs Rashidi (OB)

Heavy
Geddoe (S3) vs Rosa (FF4)

Middle
Venusaur (PKMN) vs Kyra (PS4)
Blastoise (PKMN) vs Zylo (SF1)
Cagnazzo (FF4) vs Mullen (G1)

Light
Chaz (SF2) vs Marcus (FF9)
Rico (XG) vs Brey (DQ4)
Cyan (FF6) vs Tsai (S2)
Jean (BoF2) vs Hawkeye (FE7)

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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2013, 11:43:56 PM »
updating this friday morning. Get your votes in now!
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