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Proving Grounds l/m: Oooooooo elfboy!
« on: May 14, 2014, 09:55:35 PM »
White Mage- One of the best bravely default classes! Also has some DL issues, as you can see by it belonging in light. Wishes it could perform a DBZ style fusion with Spiritmaster.
Mara/Maya- The attack mage sister. Good offense! durability is not so hot.
Virion- FE13 nod.

White Mage (Bravely Default) vs Nicholai (SH2)
White Mage vs Garr (BoF3)
White Mage vs Cid (FF7)
White Mage vs Chemist (FFT)
White Mage vs  Lily (MK2)
White Mage vs Nergal (FE7)
White Mage vs Shady (WA3)
White Mage vs Relm (FF6)
White Mage vs Aguro (Lufia 1)
White Mage vs Spar (BoF2)
White Mage vs Black Wizard (FF1)
White Mage vs White Wizard (FF1)

Mara (DQ4) vs Nicholai (SH2)
Mara vs Garr (BoF3)
Mara vs Cid (FF7)
Mara vs Chemist (FFT)
Mara vs  Lily (MK2)
Mara vs Nergal (FE7)
Mara vs Shady (WA3)
Mara vs Relm (FF6)
Mara vs Aguro (Lufia 1)
Mara vs Spar (BoF2)
Mara vs Black Wizard (FF1)
Mara vs White Wizard (FF1)

Virion (FE13) vs Nicholai (SH2)
Virion vs Garr (BoF3)
Virion vs Cid (FF7)
Virion vs Chemist (FFT)
Virion vs  Lily (MK2)
Virion vs Nergal (FE7)
Virion vs Shady (WA3)
Virion vs Relm (FF6)
Virion vs Aguro (Lufia 1)
Virion vs Spar (BoF2)
Virion vs Black Wizard (FF1)
Virion vs White Wizard (FF1)
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Re: Proving Grounds l/m: Oooooooo elfboy!
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2014, 11:03:33 PM »
White Mage (Bravely Default) vs Nicholai (SH2)- Too much pressure. Nicholai's getting back to back Bright Crests. That is going to be hard for WM to recover, with the Sdef lowering effect it has.
White Mage vs Garr (BoF3)- Superior slugger. Garr's not good against healers.
White Mage vs Cid (FF7)- I was all set to vote for Cid, and then I remembered he's going first. A single physical is going to slice through most of WM's life. I don't think she has any way to avoid a heal lock here due to that.
White Mage vs Chemist (FFT)- Auto potion. WM hates that with a burning passion.
White Mage vs Lily (MK2)
White Mage vs Nergal (FE7)- Oh my god, counters.
White Mage vs Shady (WA3)- Healing/has some form of offense.
White Mage vs Relm (FF6)- I think? WM physical is completely irrelevant so Relm can Gaia Gear/Earth rod this.
White Mage vs Aguro (Lufia 1)- Should be able to finish Aguro off with a brave blitz.
White Mage vs Spar (BoF2)- Spar's status magic is kind of garbage here and his offense is always garbage.
White Mage vs Black Wizard (FF1)- Status.
White Mage vs White Wizard (FF1)- Far better resources. Also has status to play with.

Mara (DQ4) vs Nicholai (SH2)- OHKO. Mara is so, so bad against physicals.
Mara vs Garr (BoF3)- GARR RESISTS FIRE. This gets ugly.
Mara vs Cid (FF7)- OHKO.
Mara vs Chemist (FFT)- Auto potion. Chemist doesn't need many attacks to get through to win the fight.
Mara vs Lily (MK2)-Fire defense. 
Mara vs Nergal (FE7)- OHKOs. Do not respect Blazemost enough to see it OHKOing here.
Mara vs Shady (WA3)- Mara needs to allow explodelet to work and to respect it enough to 2HKO. Not buying that today.
Mara vs Relm (FF6)- Fire defense.
Mara vs Aguro (Lufia 1)- This is close to a coinflip, so going with the one I respect more.
Mara vs Spar (BoF2)- Loads up fire defense, slaps Mara with Hush, match becomes really sad.
Mara vs Black Wizard (FF1)- Blitzes.
Mara vs White Wizard (FF1)- Fire defense.


Mara is so, so, *SO* bad against fire defense. She's also incredibly easy to OHKO. It's an ugly mix.
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Re: Proving Grounds l/m: Oooooooo elfboy!
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2014, 12:22:16 AM »
Mara (DQ4) vs Nicholai (SH2) - DQ4DS Maya isn't quite so frail as to be OHKO'd by a single Nicholai physical and again I doubt his speed picks up enough to make up for the sluggish first turn here.  Granted the temptation to say fuck DQ4 attack magic is strong, but with my low respect for SH2 boss HP that's gonna take a lot of dropoff.
Mara vs Garr (BoF3) - Oh wow.
Mara vs Cid (FF7) - No OHKO with anything less than a L3 under the average I use, she can get around that while still 2HKOing and that's all that's needed.
Mara vs Chemist (FFT) - Probably.
Mara vs Lily (MK2) - Fire immunity.
Mara vs Nergal (FE7) - Yeah Maya would need to OHKO with a single Kafrizzle and that's likely not happening.
Mara vs Shady (WA3) - SPOILED BY SHADY
Mara vs Relm (FF6) - Fire resist probably enough
Mara vs Aguro (Lufia 1) - Faster 2HKO
Mara vs Spar (BoF2) - oh what the fuck
Mara vs Black Wizard (FF1) - Blitzes.  DoS BW having Mdef would almost make this interesting if not for his shit HP.
Mara vs White Wizard (FF1) - Yeaaaaah no.

Virion (FE13) vs Nicholai (SH2) - At a guess both two-round each other, SH2 boss durability plot and Sniper Ruffles is weirdly competent like that, though his durability is somewhat suspect.  I don't think Nicholai's speed picks up enough to make up for his somewhat sluggish first turn though.
Virion vs Garr (BoF3) - Oh gross, Ruffles gets to double someone.
Virion vs Cid (FF7) - Goes first, can avoid triggering an L3 and, under the damage average I use for FF7, isn't 2HKO'd.
Virion vs Chemist (FFT) - later
Virion vs Lily (MK2) - Two-rounded.
Virion vs Nergal (FE7) - Has (above) average damage, isn't magically frail enough to die to a single hit.
Virion vs Shady (WA3) - It's Shady.
Virion vs Relm (FF6) - don't think his durability is so bad as to get him 3HKO'd first. 
Virion vs Aguro (Lufia 1) - three-rounds first, Aguro's not that tanky.
Virion vs Spar (BoF2) - later
Virion vs Black Wizard (FF1) - Doubt anything BW has here kicks in fast enough.
Virion vs White Wizard (FF1) - DoS WW and her weirdly high HP total likely isn't two-rounded at base and certainly isn't after buffing defense.  She only 4HKOs but she has enough MP to juggle that and healing.
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Re: Proving Grounds l/m: Oooooooo elfboy!
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2014, 02:01:36 AM »
White Mage (Bravely Default) vs Nicholai (SH2) - Wrong element, WM.
White Mage vs Cid (FF7) - Way too much pressure AND gets a limit.
White Mage vs Chemist (FFT)
White Mage vs Nergal (FE7) MTA will not save you.
White Mage vs Shady (WA3)
White Mage vs Relm (FF6) - Relm resists Pearl?  Ew, WM runs out of Holy juice then.
White Mage vs Black Wizard (FF1) - Not blitzing fast enough, too many low % status options.  EDIT: Okay so BM is frailer than I thought.
White Mage vs White Wizard (FF1) - More resources.

Mara (DQ4) vs Nicholai (SH2) - I dunno about Nicolai OHKOing, but I don't think Mara 2HKOs anyway, so moot.
Mara vs Cid (FF7) - Holy crap, super's right and I thought he was crazy.  I guess Cid really does OHKO here off his limit.
Mara vs Chemist (FFT) - Chemist offense kinda garbage here.  Doesn't help Auto-Potion can fail to proc.  Chemist is heal-locked and loses on doubles / multiple failed procs in a row - Mara has enough MP for 23 blasts, which should be plenty.
Mara vs Nergal (FE7) - Magic triangle'd.
Mara vs Shady (WA3) - How much does Shady "resist" Fire?  Even half damage isn't enough here, but maybe with nulling.  Maybe.
Mara vs Relm (FF6) - I guess.
Mara vs Black Wizard (FF1)
Mara vs White Wizard (FF1)

Virion (FE13) vs Nicholai (SH2) - Yeah he isn't 2HKOed for me, or particularly close.
Virion vs Cid (FF7) - Virion can chip around a limit but is 2HKOed.  (For all that I should perhaps reconsider my FF7 damage averages myself, but yeesh, there's some trainwreck in there.)
Virion vs Chemist (FFT) - Viron can't burn through a heal-lock waiting for 2 missed procs in a row like Mara can.
Virion vs Nergal (FE7) - le double
Virion vs Shady (WA3)
Virion vs Relm (FF6)
Virion vs Black Wizard (FF1) - Virion wants to be a Bow Knight here to win the average speed tiebreak, Sniper Viron arguably gets hit by BW's 2-round status.
Virion vs White Wizard (FF1) - This is a heartbreaker for Virion.  Sniper Virion 2HKOs WW with overkill accuracy, but loses the movement tiebreak, so WW can RUSE -> CURE4 then wait for evasion while healing.  BK Virion wins the movement speed tiebreak so gets 2 turns to WW's one, but misses the 2HKO, so WW gets to heal anyway.  Although - wait.  On Sniper Virion's own turn he has 132.3% accuracy?  Even against 40% evade, WW will run out of full healing first.  Although WW can just throw up another stack of RUSE instead, so Virion needs to hit with a 92% chance 4 times, and then a 52% chance once.  That's...  37% odds.  Sorry, Ruffles.

WM: 2-6
Mara: 2-6
Virion: 4-4
« Last Edit: May 19, 2014, 12:08:13 AM by SnowFire »

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Re: Proving Grounds l/m: Oooooooo elfboy!
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2014, 12:54:54 PM »
Shady nulls fire, that drops Mara down to BEDRAGON PHYSICALS YES. She's losing there.
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2014, 06:47:43 PM »
White Mage (Bravely Default) vs Nicholai Conrad (SH2) - Jesus christ, super's right. White Mage also risks not having enough shots of Holy to even -ever- finish off Nicholai. I don't think that's working out very fabulously.
White Mage vs Garr (BoF3) - Garr's pressure -is- pretty bad.
White Mage vs Cid Highwind (FF7) - I'm rather certain Cid 2HKOs fairly leisurely at base (I think WM would need two Protects to avoid a 2HKO sans Angelic Aid shenanigans), which is a lot of pressure to endure off her resources. This doesn't work out.
White Mage vs Chemist (FFT) - Auto-Potion completely wrecks White Mage and even if you allow Safety Rings, they don't cover Death Sentence in-game, so Assassin Dagger is go at worst.
White Mage vs  Lilianne Valendorf (MK2) - Abate Water turns a match that'd be just somewhat problematic for Lily into an ugly mopping.
White Mage vs Nergal (FE7) - The counters, they BUUUUUUUUUURN. Nergal also can't be realistically killed if White Mage spends too long healing, even holistically allowing a weakness hit there doesn't help her much.
White Mage vs Shady Thousand (WA3) - Shady's pressure is pretty damned bad here. White Mage may have problems there anyway due to resource woes, but I don't think that's quite enough.
White Mage vs Relm Arrowny (FF6) - Gaia Gear/Earth Rod spamming. White Mage frankly sucks against other healers. Alternatively, Cat Hood's Holy resistance also makes this pretty ugly.
White Mage vs Aguro (Lufia 1) - 2HKOs, isn't much slower. WM would have to two-round here and I don't think his mdur is anywhere -near- this bad.
White Mage vs Spar (BoF2) - Again, White Mage sucking against healing. Spar even has a bit of an anti-magic game ensuring she can't even kill him with her whole stack of Holies.
White Mage vs Black Wizard (FF1) - Kneejerk: WM mdef lowers BW status to turn four and that's not even -necessary-, since White Mage two-rounds Black Wizard of the 0.68 mdur. Tank two shots of whatever the hell he can do, Holy-blitz.
White Mage vs White Wizard (FF1) - Nooooooooooooo such luck here. WW has even worse resource issues at base, but she can wall BD White Mage far better. I think BD WM could actually pull if off if she had better resources, Dispel is pretty useful - but she loses a Holy just by casting Dispel ONCE. And vying for physicals is utterly useless, that damage is Spiritmaster-tastic.

4-8. Not really great. She has some ice/water-related and limited resource spoiling, as well as exploiting egregiously bad mdur some due to Brave-blitzing being a thing that exists, but otherwise she's pretty underwhelming due to her resource issues and poor stats. Clearly a Light.

Mara (DQ4) vs Nicholai Conrad (SH2) - Typical Mara win, 2HKOs and isn't -quite- OHKOed back.
Mara vs Garr (BoF3) - Mara starts crying herself to sleep as soon as she needs more than two rounds to win a fight and Garr -immunes- Fire for pretty much no strings attached. This is ugly, especially since Garr 2HKOs Mara off her amazing 58% PC HP -alone-.
Mara vs Cid Highwind (FF7) - Dear god, Cid OHKOs Mara with his physical under my FF7 averages, this is -gross-.
Mara vs Chemist (FFT) - Mara ain't really doubling -ever- and Chemist has far more X-Potions than Mara has shots of Blazemost. She only makes -any- headway if Chemist misses an Auto-Potion proc, and for her to get into KO range, he'd have to miss about four procs in a row. I dunno, I think this doesn't happen in the 23 turns or so she gets to make it stick for good.
Mara vs  Lilianne Valendorf (MK2) - Fire immunity turns Mara into a losing Puny. This is horrifying.
Mara vs Nergal (FE7) - Dear god, overkills.
Mara vs Shady Thousand (WA3) - Refer to Lily and Garr for what happens when Mara can't Blazemost.
Mara vs Relm Arrowny (FF6) - Mara might even go first, but she 4HKOs Relm -before- any evasion shenanigans come into play and Relm uh 3HKOs at worst (likely -2HKOs-, what the hell Mara). Mara completely fails against Fire res with that survivability.
Mara vs Aguro (Lufia 1) - Aguro comes close to OHKOing, but no dice. Mara herself doesn't miss the 2HKO.
Mara vs Spar (BoF2) - Fire res and mdef, Mara goes packing.
Mara vs Black Wizard (FF1) - Welp.
Mara vs White Wizard (FF1) - Welp!

3-9. I'm pretty sure she's actually a Light (below half PC HP against physicals, holy -fuck-), but this pool just loved spoiling her ass. Lots of fire res, which makes her curl into fetal position. Doesn't ever win if she can't 2HKO -and- survive a hit.

Virion (FE13) vs Nicholai Conrad (SH2) - Sniper Ruffles deals 47% PC HP a pop. That's a 2HKO on Nicholai alright. He even 2HKOs back, but goes last.
Virion vs Garr (BoF3) - EDIT: So, Elfboy's right: Garr's -1.22 SD, which isn't bad enough to get doubled by Ruffles. Meanwhile, Garr's 1.66 pdur means Virion clearly 4HKOs. But Garr doesn't -quite- 3HKO back (it's really close, though!), so all the math's moot.
Virion vs Cid Highwind (FF7) - Cid 2HKOs and isn't 2HKOed back, I think.
Virion vs Chemist (FFT) - EDIT: eh sure
Virion vs  Lilianne Valendorf (MK2) - I don't think 20% Blocking is enough to handle Ruffles. 40% would if it didn't make Lily go LAST.
Virion vs Nergal (FE7) - One-rounds and isn't OHKOed back.
Virion vs Shady Thousand (WA3) - A whole different tier.
Virion vs Relm Arrowny (FF6) - Outslugs.
Virion vs Aguro (Lufia 1) - Both 3HKO, Ruffles be faster.
Virion vs Spar (BoF2) - Once again, dat 2HKO.
Virion vs Black Wizard (FF1) - EDIT: Operation Burp Elfboy engage.
Virion vs White Wizard (FF1) - Iunno. Ruse2 does pretty much nothing to Virion turn one and even turn two it's pretty sketchy. I think SF's math looks good, but sigh.

10-2. Could be flipped on a couple of these fights (particularly WW and Chemist), but it's still a pretty solid performance. Near-2HKO damage, even off suspect durability, looks good both in Light and in the lower echelons of Middle.

For fun! Let's try out how would Spiritmaster with White Magic allow fare in this field. Since she'd equip for magic damage and accrue roughly the same score as WM on that, she'd be looking at WM pdur more or less, take or leave a couple %, and above average speed, alongside over twice as potent healing for a lot less cost.

DBZ Spiritmaster (Bravely Default) vs Nicholai Conrad (SH2) - Spiritmaster gets 11 shots of Holy and each deals roughly 11% of Nic's health (he resists Holy 25%, IIRC) with one Poison Rod and Black Robe equipped. This makes me kneejerk that Spiritmaster WILL have to heal at least twice, since she needs to land at least nine shots of Holy total. This gets her fresh out of resources. HOWEVER, she gets 20 shots of Aeroga and -that- 10HKOs Nic at worst. Since she's faster, she can actually outlast him this way. Of course, Spirit Ward also puts him in serious trouble - and wow, with spare turns, Spiritmaster actually can boost her damage with Fairy Aid, this is actually pretty cool! Yeah, she has this.
DBZ Spiritmaster vs Garr (BoF3) - Same thing as White Mage.
DBZ Spiritmaster vs Cid Highwind (FF7) - Spiritmaster being above average speed probably lets her pull this off. Maximize HP, heal and now Cid has to face 1.84x raw HP. Chipping becomes leisurely past that, especially with Fairy's Aid in tow.
DBZ Spiritmaster vs Chemist (FFT) - Auto-Potion still brutally ugly against BD low-end slugging.
DBZ Spiritmaster vs  Lilianne Valendorf (MK2) - Spirit Ward and holy -crap-.
DBZ Spiritmaster vs Nergal (FE7) - See Lily.
DBZ Spiritmaster vs Shady Thousand (WA3) - Um yeah.
DBZ Spiritmaster vs Relm Arrowny (FF6) - AMAZINGLY, I think the same issue remains here: Spiritmaster can't possibly exploit Relm's horrifying pdur with Gaia Gear setup and her offense sucks against Relm's elemental spoiling and decent mdur. Though I could actually be argued here.
DBZ Spiritmaster vs Aguro (Lufia 1) - Maximize HP => open with healing => leisurely outlasts.
DBZ Spiritmaster vs Spar (BoF2) - uh
DBZ Spiritmaster vs Black Wizard (FF1) - See White Mage, only Black Wizard only gets -one- turn.
DBZ Spiritmaster vs White Wizard (FF1) - EDIT: hm. The resource economy from Save WM MP is actually quite significant here, as is the existence of Fairy's Aid. I think she could go for two Poison Rods here, which would lead to a Fairy's Aided Holy blitz one-rounding... and hell, WW only has -two- shots of Wall. If she attempts that, lol dispel and Spiritmaster goes to town. BD White Mage could attempt a similar offensive twinking, but it doesn't pan out as well because she can't buff her own damage midfight.

9-2. That's a notably better performance! She actually makes Middle this way, Spiritism and White Magic synergize very well.
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2014, 12:02:06 AM »
White Mage (Bravely Default) vs Nicholai (SH2): Nicholai is weird. I'm pretty sure the PC is better than that shitty boss form, but voting on the PC just feels kinda wrong? Well anyway. Oddly enough boss is better here anyway I think, since White Mage could possibly stall the PC until he runs out of SP, but boss should be able to drain WM's resources adequately.
White Mage vs Garr (BoF3): Garr misses the 2HKO even before Protect. Think that's that, with the speed difference.
White Mage vs Cid (FF7): Cid gets some vicious limit off.
White Mage vs Chemist (FFT): I'll go with the crowd here, although I'm not fully convinced. Assassin Dagger hype is questionable here (for Snow: FFT death sentence fails against the death-immune outside LFT) and Chemist's potion stock could reasonably run out... but WM's resources feel far more stretched.
White Mage vs Lily (MK2): Abate Water. Yikes.
White Mage vs Nergal (FE7): Counters. Oh dear.
White Mage vs Shady (WA3): Don't think Shady puts on adequate pressure.
White Mage vs Relm (FF6): Cat Hood element halving + Gaia Gear Gravity Rod turtling gives this to Relm.
White Mage vs Spar (BoF2): WM runs out of resources against Spar's healing.
White Mage vs Black Wizard (FF1): As Snow said... WM has a two-rounding here because BM can't take hits. WM is -much- better when blitzing is a real option.
White Mage vs White Wizard (FF1): Uh this is tricky. WM has a 7HKO here but can't heal-lock too effectively. WW... yeah probably has this, her resources aren't great but they are better, and buffs can counter everything but Holy.

Mara (DQ4) vs Nicholai (SH2): Again voting on boss... Mara is faster, 2HKOs, and isn't OHKOed.
Mara vs Garr (BoF3): Fire immune, 2HKOs.
Mara vs Cid (FF7): Mara's 0.51 pdur, I definitely don't see Cid having a 2HKO against average. Depends on the FF7 damage average you use of course. Anyway Mara won't be OHKOed by anything short of a Cid L3 so she leisurely 2HKOs avoiding that.
Mara vs Chemist (FFT): By my rough estimations... Mara does 63% to average = 66% to Chemist, Auto-Potion heals about half of Chemist's HP. And yeah I'm inclined to see Chemist's potion stock exceeding Mara's MP. Three failed auto-potions in a row would win this, but odds of that are too small.
Mara vs Lily (MK2): Fire immunity.
Mara vs Nergal (FE7): Has a OHKO.
Mara vs Shady (WA3): Fire immunity.
Mara vs Relm (FF6): Halves fire and has MDef, 3HKOs and isn't 3HKOed
Mara vs Spar (BoF2): Tricky. If Spar has a 2HKO he wins, since he's only 3HKOed. But if he doesn't... guess he goes for Hush, then 3HKO? But Hush might wear off. Still... I think the overall odds favour him.
Mara vs Black Wizard (FF1): This isn't too far from a OHKO.
Mara vs White Wizard (FF1): Fire resistance should let her take this.

Virion (FE13) vs Nicholai (SH2): Virion just barely 2HKOs average as a Sniper, and Nicholai is likely below average if anything. And Nic may not 2HKO him anyway.
Virion vs Garr (BoF3): I think? Too lazy to calculate the SDs here. If Virion both has a 4-3 and 4HKOs he can take this. Kinda inclined to doubt that both happen though. And Sniper Virion isn't fast enough to double Garr. Bow Knight might be but I really kneejerk Sniper is better except in this particular window of opponent speed (or those with bows, but counters mean Virion's good against archers anyway).
Virion vs Cid (FF7): Both Cid and Virion juuust miss 2HKOs, from where I am sitting. Which gives it to Virion. But it's close.
Virion vs Chemist (FFT): Auto-Potion patches up Virion attacks nicely, and chemist breaks out the knife to avoid counters.
Virion vs  Lily (MK2): Me and following the crowd on MK2 PCs.
Virion vs Nergal (FE7): Usual Nergal fight.
Virion vs Shady (WA3): Virion juuust misses being doubled here, so he should take this.
Virion vs Relm (FF6): Needs fewer hits to kill.
Virion vs Spar (BoF2): Not sure on Spar pdur but 2HKO probably still happens.
Virion vs Black Wizard (FF1): BW has a slim argument of going first and Virion res raising his status to turn 2. It's tempting, but I don't think so... Virion res doesn't seem bad enough, as a sniper. My own take has the status at 39.5%, which is turn 3.
Virion vs White Wizard (FF1): Coinflip pretty much. No respect for evade buffing here, but defence buffing could just take it... but it seems fractionally too weak.

Virion 9-2. The damage helped more than I would expect, but... what? This makes no sense. He doesn't double much, doesn't counter almost ever, and is average speed / below average durability. That just seemed to line up perfectly against this field. His wins over WW, Bw, Cid, Shady, and Nicholai are all very close, though, so this number probably isn't too indicative. A borderliner?
White Mage 4-7. Could be worse, really. Probably not Middle, but close.
Mara 3-8. Was somewhat close to another win or two, and intuitively does still feel like more of a Middle to me, but definitely has some problems.

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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2014, 12:48:58 AM »
White Mage vs Chemist (FFT): I'll go with the crowd here, although I'm not fully convinced. Assassin Dagger hype is questionable here (for Snow: FFT death sentence fails against the death-immune outside LFT) and Chemist's potion stock could reasonably run out... but WM's resources feel far more stretched.

It does in FFT, but not in Bravely Default. And, as far as I'm concerned, even if I allowed the goddamned Safety Rings, I wouldn't let them catch something they don't catch in-game, they're not using FFT's blockers.
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[01:08] <Laggy> YA!!!!!!!!!1111111111
[01:08] <Soppy-ReturningToInaba> OMG!!!!
[01:08] <Chulianne> No wonder you're small.
[01:08] <TranceHime> cocks
[01:08] <Laggy> .....