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RPGVO 2022 Round 4: Winners' Quarterfinals - Bart Whips a Penguin
« on: September 11, 2022, 11:51:16 PM »
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Rudo (Brig:LoR) vs. Belial (WA4)
Simeon (Octopath) vs. Shania (SH3)
Yuna (FFX) vs. Riou (Suiko2)
Fou Lu (BoF4) vs. Orlandu (FFT)


HEAVY

Golbez (FF4:TAY) vs. Worker 8 (FFT)
Lady Harken (WA:ACF) vs. Lyon (Suiko5)
Reclaimer Dragon (WA4) vs. Millenia (G2)
Raze (MK2) vs. Nel Zelpher (SO3)


MIDDLE

Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs. Empoleon (PKMN)
Bowser (SMRPG) vs. Kazan (Legaia 2)
Roy (FE6) vs. Greninja (PKMN)
Lich (FF1) vs. Byleth (FE3H)


LIGHT

Palmer (FF7) vs. Geela (TriStrat)
Aika (SoA) vs. Locke (FF6)
Ryudo (G2) vs. Kain Highwind (FF4)
Guile (CC) vs. Sten (BoF2)
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Re: RPGVO 2022 Round 4: Winners' Quarterfinals - Bart Whips a Penguin
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2022, 01:49:41 AM »
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Rudo (Brig:LoR) vs. Belial (WA4) - I have seen enough of new Brig to know that Rudo can do absolutely fuckall about Belial putting up Distortion and having that level of turnsplit.
Simeon (Octopath) vs. Shania (SH3) - I guess?
Yuna (FFX) vs. Riou (Suiko2)
Fou Lu (BoF4) vs. Orlandu (FFT)


HEAVY

Golbez (FF4:TAY) vs. Worker 8 (FFT) - Yep, that's some spoiling right there.
Reclaimer Dragon (WA4) vs. Millenia (G2)


MIDDLE

Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs. Empoleon (PKMN) - So Land Break just 2HKOs and Bart goes first, no shenanigans required.
Bowser (SMRPG) vs. Kazan (Legaia 2) - Uh this depends on how reasonable that Charge Heal equip is to have doesn't it because it looks like under a Zoom Shoes speed average Bowser goes first and can -just barely- chip around a MA with Crusher into Terrorize and finish the 3HKO from there and my kneejerk is to say no there.
Roy (FE6) vs. Greninja (PKMN) - Maybe if the Barking Blade wasn't range 1-2.
Lich (FF1) vs. Byleth (FE3H) - Good question, I think Byleth's best plan here is to make Hold accuracy fail with White Magic Avoid +20 then finish with Bane of Monsters off of a Levin Sword, which I'm pretty sure works for FF1NES Lich which I don't vote on but without numbers on Bane of Monsters I'm not sure when it happens for FF1DoS Lich with its better HP (it's possible Hold might be turn 2 against swords regardless in which case threat range check.)  The other alternative would be Bishop and go for an effective 4HKO with Aura (presumeably the fourth would crit, anyways)... except that runs into Lich's magic resist in an annoying way and if the wrong shot gets halved that's a trip to oofsville since Bishop definitely goes last. e: strongly leaning this way anyways rn.


LIGHT

Palmer (FF7) vs. Geela (TriStrat) - Congrats on beating FF5 Thief, Palmer.
Ryudo (G2) vs. Kain Highwind (FF4) - Surely Ryudo can accomplish this much, right?  Right?
Guile (CC) vs. Sten (BoF2) - trusting others
« Last Edit: September 16, 2022, 06:15:26 PM by Random Consonant »

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Re: RPGVO 2022 Round 4: Winners' Quarterfinals - Bart Whips a Penguin
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2022, 04:36:03 AM »
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Lady Harken (WA:ACF) vs. Lyon (Suiko5) - This is good. I may sit down and math this out more indepth (assuming Dhyer/NEB/Others don't get to it first), but offhand, I *think* this is right. Lyon is fast enough to avoid a 3-2 and has enough parry/evade to possibly dodge a hit - meaning she'll likely get 2 turns. One to chip Harken down and then one to cast Vermilion Sky for the kill.
Reclaimer Dragon (WA4) vs. Millenia (G2) - Uh...Reclaimer instant doubles. And it 2HKOs. Yeeeeah.
Raze (MK2) vs. Nel Zelpher (SO3) - Nel has to downgrade her weapon to a Non-elemental version since Raze can block Water. I also don't know if Freezing Daggers is Ice/Water elemental or not but let's say that it is to give Raze the biggest benefit of the doubt. Even in this situation, Raze can't keep up the pressure. He has to OHKO because otherwise, Nel just pretty much full heals and he doesn't have enough resources to keep that up as long as she can heal. She has way more resources AND can bust his MP which is terrible news for Raze. Blessing of Light gives him a 2nd life, but that's not enough. ID weapon is met with an ID Blocker so yeah, Raze is pretty screwed. If Freezing Daggers doesn't run into Water/Ice Immunity then this is even more of a laugh as that's Turn 1 and Raze can't block it.


MIDDLE
Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs. Empoleon (PKMN) - Mmm...Bart goes first, attacks to inflict Magic Attack down, which will buy him a turn by reducing Empy's preferred offense type. On the following turn, Blue Cologne gives him 70% Evade and that's pretty much game. IF Empy can go first, he DOES have Mist which will stop Bart's debuffs. Losing the first turn here is definitive here I think. Bart can also hit Earth weakness here for added insult, so it's not like he has issues trying to finish Empy off.
Roy (FE6) vs. Greninja (PKMN) - Oh right, range 2.


LIGHT
Aika (SoA) vs. Locke (FF6) - Valiant Knife wins this one, methinks. After a certain point, Aika just becomes heal locked by it.
Ryudo (G2) vs. Kain Highwind (FF4) - Blood Spear may give Ryudo some problems (seriously Ryudo SP issues) but Kain's offense is so wretched, Ryudo probably still wins.
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Re: RPGVO 2022 Round 4: Winners' Quarterfinals - Bart Whips a Penguin
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2022, 02:36:01 PM »
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Rudo (Brig:LoR) vs. Belial (WA4)- About as bad a matchup as it gets for Rudo. He can't deal with the distortion at all, even setting aside 4-D pocket.
Simeon (Octopath) vs. Shania (SH3)- I have pretty low respect for Octopath bosses. Unless Simeon has some crazy OHKO level offense turn one, he is going to get splattered.
Yuna (FFX) vs. Riou (Suiko2)- Also ugly.
Fou Lu (BoF4) vs. Orlandu (FFT)- Fou Lu defense is not Orlandu's friend.


HEAVY

Golbez (FF4:TAY) vs. Worker 8 (FFT)- Golbez is not winning this with physicals.
Raze (MK2) vs. Nel Zelpher (SO3)- Suspect so. Raze is good but he has resource issues in long fights.


LIGHT

Palmer (FF7) vs. Geela (TriStrat)- Geela to the semis makes for a dark day.
Aika (SoA) vs. Locke (FF6)- Wing Edge; Aika can do nothing about the ID even if her confuse works on Locke.
Ryudo (G2) vs. Kain Highwind (FF4)- Ryudo has way too much offense for Blood Spear to matter.
Guile (CC) vs. Sten (BoF2)- I think Guile 2HKOs and isn't 2HKOed back; he has good HP for a mage and Sten's durability is subpar.
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Re: RPGVO 2022 Round 4: Winners' Quarterfinals - Bart Whips a Penguin
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2022, 12:19:11 AM »
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Rudo (Brig:LoR) vs. Belial (WA4) - I don't think Belial even needs 4D Pocket to win this one.  But she can use it anyway.


HEAVY

Golbez (FF4:TAY) vs. Worker 8 (FFT) - Long story short, Worker 8 almost perfectly spoils here.  The magic is immuned, Pressure runs into status immunity, and Work ignores his defensive tricks, and Golbez's best physical output 6HKOs.  And then Worker 8 can just solidly end him in two hits of Crush, which Golbez can do precisely nothing about.
Reclaimer Dragon (WA4) vs. Millenia (G2) - I regret not doing my due diligence on this one nomination.
<+Nama-EmblemOfFire> ...Have the GhebFE guy and the ostian princess guy collaborate.
 <@Elecman> Seems reasonable.

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Re: RPGVO 2022 Round 4: Winners' Quarterfinals - Bart Whips a Penguin
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2022, 12:40:49 PM »
Rudo (Brig:LoR) vs. Belial (WA4)
Simeon (Octopath) vs. Shania (SH3)
Yuna (FFX) vs. Riou (Suiko2)
Fou Lu (BoF4) vs. Orlandu (FFT)


HEAVY

Reclaimer Dragon (WA4) vs. Millenia (G2)

MIDDLE

Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs. Empoleon (PKMN)
Roy (FE6) vs. Greninja (PKMN)
Lich (FF1) vs. Byleth (FE3H)
If Random says this works against NES Lich's questionable HP score...

LIGHT

Palmer (FF7) vs. Geela (TriStrat)
Aika (SoA) vs. Locke (FF6)
Per discussion, this is some very unusual spoiling, Aika is not Light but Wing Edge Locke having a regular physical attack that can inflict ID screws over her confuse plan.
Ryudo (G2) vs. Kain Highwind (FF4)
Guile (CC) vs. Sten (BoF2)
Sten came off better in the BoF2 topic than I recalled...  could be a close one.  Dhyer?!
EDIT: I'll buy Dhyer's vote.
« Last Edit: September 16, 2022, 02:29:15 PM by SnowFire »

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Re: RPGVO 2022 Round 4: Winners' Quarterfinals - Bart Whips a Penguin
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2022, 06:03:27 PM »
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Rudo (Brig:LoR) vs. Belial (WA4)- No vote.
Simeon (Octopath) vs. Shania (SH3)- *skim* So without Math, I would hazard that Shania can keep him from one-rounding her by any means before he gets his third action, at which point she unleashes her stock and finishes him off.
Yuna (FFX) vs. Riou (Suiko2)- I mean maybe I'm underestimating Forgiver Sign and Riou's speed?  But kneejerk.
Fou Lu (BoF4) vs. Orlandu (FFT)


HEAVY

Golbez (FF4:TAY) vs. Worker 8 (FFT)
Lady Harken (WA:ACF) vs. Lyon (Suiko5)- p...rooooobably?  Maybe.  I dunno.
Reclaimer Dragon (WA4) vs. Millenia (G2)
Raze (MK2) vs. Nel Zelpher (SO3)


MIDDLE

Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs. Empoleon (PKMN)- The way I figure it Bart can catch all of Empoleon's damage with Wild Smile, but even without that he... miiiiight just outslug because hey, those elemental deathblows work in his favor for once.
Bowser (SMRPG) vs. Kazan (Legaia 2)
Roy (FE6) vs. Greninja (PKMN)
Lich (FF1) vs. Byleth (FE3H)- Unless Math wants to say otherwise yeah, I buy Byleth doing with Seraphim strats here.


LIGHT

Palmer (FF7) vs. Geela (TriStrat)- No vote.
Aika (SoA) vs. Locke (FF6)
Ryudo (G2) vs. Kain Highwind (FF4)
Guile (CC) vs. Sten (BoF2)- yeah uh fuck it, I'll just wait for the Math.
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Re: RPGVO 2022 Round 4: Winners' Quarterfinals - Bart Whips a Penguin
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2022, 01:15:53 PM »
GODLIKE

Rudo (Brig:LoR) vs. Belial (WA4)
Simeon (Octopath) vs. Shania (SH3)- Not close. Shania with two wins in Godlike!
Yuna (FFX) vs. Riou (Suiko2)
Fou Lu (BoF4) vs. Orlandu (FFT)


HEAVY

Golbez (FF4:TAY) vs. Worker 8 (FFT)
Lady Harken (WA:ACF) vs. Lyon (Suiko5)- Strong gut reaction here.
Raze (MK2) vs. Nel Zelpher (SO3)


MIDDLE

Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs. Empoleon (PKMN)
Bowser (SMRPG) vs. Kazan (Legaia 2)- Haha, Fear is like the 1 status that doesn't exist in Legaia 2 (also, no Charge Heal for me anymore)


LIGHT

Palmer (FF7) vs. Geela (TriStrat)- Geela with two wins!
Aika (SoA) vs. Locke (FF6)
Ryudo (G2) vs. Kain Highwind (FF4)
Guile (CC) vs. Sten (BoF2)- Guile has about 1.3 Mdur while Sten does 1.25 magic damage over 3 turns. Guile certainly 3HKOs to me if not a 2HKO.
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Re: RPGVO 2022 Round 4: Winners' Quarterfinals - Bart Whips a Penguin
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2022, 02:05:06 PM »
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Rudo (Brig:LoR) vs. Belial (WA4)
Simeon (Octopath) vs. Shania (SH3): Break/stock?
Yuna (FFX) vs. Riou (Suiko2)
Fou Lu (BoF4) vs. Orlandu (FFT): Wanted ITD for this.


HEAVY

Golbez (FF4:TAY) vs. Worker 8 (FFT)
Lady Harken (WA:ACF) vs. Lyon (Suiko5)
Reclaimer Dragon (WA4) vs. Millenia (G2)
Raze (MK2) vs. Nel Zelpher (SO3)


MIDDLE

Bartholomew Fatima (XG) vs. Empoleon (PKMN): Elements!
Bowser (SMRPG) vs. Kazan (Legaia 2): Fear? Stun? Kazan I guess.
Roy (FE6) vs. Greninja (PKMN)
Lich (FF1) vs. Byleth (FE3H): SM Byleth should have enough evade to mince Lich?


LIGHT

Palmer (FF7) vs. Geela (TriStrat)
Aika (SoA) vs. Locke (FF6)
Ryudo (G2) vs. Kain Highwind (FF4)
Guile (CC) vs. Sten (BoF2)

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Re: RPGVO 2022 Round 4: Winners' Quarterfinals - Bart Whips a Penguin
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2022, 10:45:56 PM »
Ryudo vs Kain Highwind:  The one matchup where I have played both source games.  I don't have much respect for Ryudo's damage capacity.  Math says he can squeak it out though it would take every shot of Flying Tenseiken to push past Blood Lance Jumps.  Still voting Kain for comedy and humiliation factor since it is close.

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Re: RPGVO 2022 Round 4: Winners' Quarterfinals - Bart Whips a Penguin
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2022, 01:08:38 AM »
Round results:

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Rudo (Brig:LoR) vs. Belial (WA4) ||||
Simeon (Octopath) vs. Shania (SH3) ||||||
Yuna (FFX) |||||| vs. Riou (Suiko2)
Fou Lu (BoF4) |||||| vs. Orlandu (FFT)


HEAVY

Golbez (FF4:TAY) vs. Worker 8 (FFT) |||||
Lady Harken (WA:ACF) vs. Lyon (Suiko5) |||
Reclaimer Dragon (WA4) ||||| vs. Millenia (G2)
Raze (MK2) vs. Nel Zelpher (SO3) |||||


MIDDLE

Bartholomew Fatima (XG) |||||| vs. Empoleon (PKMN)
Bowser (SMRPG) || vs. Kazan (Legaia 2) || (TIEBREAKER)
Roy (FE6) |||| vs. Greninja (PKMN)
Lich (FF1) vs. Byleth (FE3H) ||||


LIGHT

Palmer (FF7) vs. Geela (TriStrat) |||||
Aika (SoA) vs. Locke (FF6) ||||||
Ryudo (G2) ||||||| vs. Kain Highwind (FF4) |
Guile (CC) ||||| vs. Sten (BoF2)
<+Nama-EmblemOfFire> ...Have the GhebFE guy and the ostian princess guy collaborate.
 <@Elecman> Seems reasonable.