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FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« on: April 24, 2009, 02:36:43 AM »
Since we started off Godlike with 6, I felt it only fair that Light should start with 4.  Hey, at least it's not a Sukioinvasion; they only have a plurality.



Beecham (Suiko3) vs Seth (FE8)
Beecham vs Nara (DW4)
Beecham vs Lelei (Suiko5)

Seth vs Nara
Seth vs Lelei
Nara vs Lelei

Voting ends Tuesday Night.  I should be back by then.

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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2009, 03:02:18 AM »
Beecham (Suiko3) vs Seth (FE8)- I'm going back and fourth. Beecham just misses the double and being 2HKOed by Seth. Eh. Will look at this more. EDIT: Beecham's got better HP than I thought. That should be enough, combined with Seth's surprisingly not great physical durability.
Beecham vs Nara (DW4)- This on the other hand requires no thought.
Beecham vs Lelei (Suiko5)

Seth vs Nara- Nara HP.
Seth vs Lelei- Lelei everything.
Nara vs Lelei- Oh christ. Lelei heal locks here. How? HOW?! EDIT: The heal lock's a fairly close thing. Lelei's about half average damage. This wouldn't heal lock Nara based on the stat topic, but! She's 3~ish levels or so over where she should be. That knocks her down to about .42 PC HP. That still might just avoid the heal lock, if not for her below average defense -in spite of Metal Babble armor-. I still could bloody be convinced that Lelei misses the 2HKO though and loses horribly, but that is more a comment about how completely awful she is at literally everything, since you know.. she's a fighter and I have to think about her ability to heal lock Nara. Fail.

Assuming Nara just isn't heal locked: She is using Infermost and flipping between that and healing. Lelei can resist and not null wind with her armor, so that puts pressure on her awful speed. A double at the right point is a serious problem for Nara, and she could very well run out of MP while flailing away. Lelei may want to say fuck it and go for full wind blocking, Sleepmore is more defensive than anything else and doesn't really let Nara inflict any damage. I mean, Nara physicals. They're like Cristo's physicals but slightly stronger, and we know how effective those are.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2009, 03:31:58 AM by superaielman »
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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2009, 03:31:47 AM »
Beecham (Suiko3) vs Seth (FE8): Seth. Beecham can't beat FE melee fighters who 3HKO him. In order to mount an offence, he'd have to heal, be attacked, attack, be countered, be attacked.
Beecham vs Nara (DW4): Beecham.
Beecham vs Lelei (Suiko5): Beecham.

Seth vs Nara: Seth.
Seth vs Lelei: Seth.
Nara vs Lelei: EDIT: Lelei. Decent fight, but Lelei's not as slow as I thought, so she should be able to handle this. She'll get the crits/swings she needs eventually, especially since slower enemies mean more of the latter.

Kinda two different tiers, here.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2009, 03:35:16 AM by Dark Holy Elf »

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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2009, 03:37:22 AM »
Nara vs Lelei- Oh christ. Lelei heal locks here. How? HOW?! EDIT: The heal lock's a fairly close thing. Lelei's about half average damage. This wouldn't heal lock Nara based on the stat topic, but! She's 3~ish levels or so over where she should be. That knocks her down to about .42 PC HP. That still might just avoid the heal lock, if not for her below average defense -in spite of Metal Babble armor-. I still could bloody be convinced that Lelei misses the 2HKO though and loses horribly, but that is more a comment about how completely awful she is at literally everything, since you know.. she's a fighter and I have to think about her ability to heal lock Nara. Fail.

Shockingly, she's actually kind of a mage (2 natural endgame L4s charges apparentally! More of a testatment to how unused she probably was other than the few forced fights with her horrid OPB rune.
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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2009, 03:42:06 AM »
Beecham vs Seth
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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2009, 05:25:47 AM »
Seth > Beecham > Nara > Lelei

Except for Godlike, these have felt pretty straightforward to me.


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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2009, 04:35:06 PM »
Seth > Beecham > Lelei > Nara

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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2009, 05:45:29 PM »
Beecham (Suiko3) vs Seth (FE8)
Beecham vs Nara (DW4)
Beecham vs Lelei (Suiko5)

Seth vs Nara Nara's HP is not nearly as bad as everyone says it is. It is at least the same level as Mara and Breys, and she has much better armor. Was it changed for the remake?
Seth vs Lelei
Nara vs Lelei

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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2009, 06:34:19 PM »
Seth vs Nara Nara's HP is not nearly as bad as everyone says it is. It is at least the same level as Mara and Breys, and she has much better armor. Was it changed for the remake?

I'd suggest you look at the numbers before making that assessment. Nara's HP is -noticeably worse- than Brey and Mara's, and you seem to be forgetting that Brey and Mara are something like 65% PC HP. This is absolutely awful. And her better armor doesn't stop her defense from being below average. Remake Nara is actually a fair deal better on HP than DW4, she's 75% average HP instead of 45%~.

For the matches:

Beecham vs Seth - See NEB, really.
Becham vs Nara (DW4) - If nothing else, SL. Beecham probably 2HKOs anyway.
Beecham vs Lelei (Suiko5) - VIPER RUNE HYPE ZOMG

Seth vs Nara - 2HKOs, like most everything does to Nara.
Seth vs Lelei - Counters, faster.

Nara vs Lelei - See super and NEB. Lelei nulls Nara's damage, then it's just threatening to kill in a single turn with crits/swings. Nara, you fucking suck.
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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2009, 07:06:21 PM »
Nara's HP being as bad as it is can be hard to remember because it starts out fine, and just grows much much slower throughout the game than everyone else's.

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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2009, 08:29:10 PM »
Beecham (Suiko3) vs Seth (FE8)- Seth's long range counters aren't damaging enough to put pressure on.
Beecham vs Nara (DW4)
Beecham vs Lelei (Suiko5)

Seth vs Nara
Seth vs Lelei
Nara vs Lelei

Beecham 3-0
Seth 2-1
Lelei 1-2
Nara 0-3
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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2009, 09:09:38 PM »
Beecham (Suiko3) vs Seth (FE8)
Beecham vs Nara (DW4)
Beecham vs Lelei (Suiko5)

Seth vs Nara- Remake form!  wait, heallock.
Seth vs Lelei
Nara vs Lelei

Beecham: 3-0
Seth: 2-1
Nara: 1-2
Lelei: 0-3
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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2009, 02:02:51 AM »
Beecham (Suiko3) vs Seth (FE8)
Beecham vs Nara (DW4)
Beecham vs Lelei (Suiko5)

Seth vs Nara
Seth vs Lelei
Nara vs Lelei

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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2009, 11:58:17 PM »
Seth vs Nara - Yeah, remake doesn't increase Nara's HP/speed by enough for this.

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Re: FIT Season 51, Light Pool 1
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2009, 04:32:06 AM »
Voting is over.  Pool 2 should be up sometime tomorrow, along with this pool's results.