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FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« on: April 24, 2009, 02:31:21 AM »
It's "Welcome to the FIT" time, here in Heavy Pool 1, as we have a representative from each of our two newest additions here!  Two warriors from popular strategy games, along with a Nina, will serve to test these newcomers' drawing power.




Tana (FE8) vs Nina Wyndia (BoF4)
Tana vs Mesdoram Elmdor (FFT)
Tana vs Zero (MMXCM)
Tana vs Renee Kearse (MK)

Nina 4 vs Elmdor
Nina 4 vs Zero
Nina 4 vs Renee

Elmdor ve Zero
Elmdor vs Renee

Zero vs Renee

Voting ends Tuesday Night.  I should be back by then.

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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2009, 02:52:05 AM »
Tana vs Nina4 - Smash.
Tana vs Elmdor - EDIT: Right, 70 Brave. EDIT: Right, Blade Grasp doesn't catch the double and Tana 2HKOs him.
Tana vs Zero - More smashing. Zero laps Tana once after he morphs, but her evade is so stupid he can't really kill her, and she shaves off 80% PC HP off Zero's health off the cusp.
Tana vs Renee - Renee probably loses regardless of the stance I take on Azureflame Mana needing to be killed to end her fight or not. The evade is just murder on her.

Nina4 vs Elmdor - Status-immune healer mage against Elmdor. That's sad.
Nina4 vs. Zero - Zero against a healer that isn't an evade/pdur god.
Nina4 vs Renee - Weird. Nina is a lot faster, but she can't kill Renee in those three magical turns (doesn't 4HKO - hell, she doesn't even 4HKO average <_<), at which point the pressure from the charge+Mana causes ugly, ugly things. And Renee probably OHKOs with the charge attack as is discounting evade.

Elmdor vs Zero - Thinking Zero's hits get by enough, and I doubt I see Calamity Arts eating Blade Grasp anyway.
Elmdor vs Renee - Charge-OHKOs, same thing as Zero for me. EDIT: Alternatively, summoning the Mana and then proceeding to blast with boosted bombs+Mana magic works just as well.

Zero vs Renee - For now, let's assume Renee doesn't get the privilege of Mana ending her fights after she's dead. Renee goes first, but gets lapped, and... Zero needs to see a third turn to kill. Thankfully, Renee's charge move doesn't OHKO him, and summoning the Mana is a waste of time here. Thus, Zero gets to unleash hell on earth against her. Not bad, though.

Weird that Renee gets more wins than Nina4 in a Heavy pool, but there are a lot of healer killers in this field, and Renee herself qualifies decently as one.
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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2009, 02:59:44 AM »
Tana (FE8) vs Nina Wyndia (BoF4)- EDIT: I'll bite.
Tana vs Mesdoram Elmdor (FFT)- Blade grasp should keep him afloat for long enough.
Tana vs Zero (MMXCM)- Evade.

Nina 4 vs Elmdor
Nina 4 vs Zero- OHKO eventually.

Elmdor vs Zero- Good question.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2009, 03:22:03 AM by superaielman »
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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2009, 03:03:53 AM »
You need to fix your boldings, super. >_> Also, on Nina4 vs. Tana... even if you don't see Nina4 being doubled, I'm thinking Tana gives her fits, since Nina4 takes so damned long to kill things (especially against that evade). Even with the phys resist, Nina4 is somewhat below average at taking physicals (25% can only go so far against some of the worst HP and Def scores in the game, and BoF4 Defense is a very relevant stat), not to mention Tana Str is decent enough, and she should have enough accuracy to bypass the 25% evade. Thinking she'd OHKO with a Killer crit before dying.
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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2009, 03:08:20 AM »
Tana wins pretty easily if she kills with a crit. Bolding fixed.
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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2009, 05:18:57 AM »
Tana > Nina4 > Elmdor

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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2009, 05:21:05 AM »
How does Elmdor beat Nina4, Djinn? His physical damage is pretty bad, his magical damage isn't much better, she immunes his status and mocks Blade Grasp pretty fiercely.
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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2009, 05:29:11 AM »
Blood Suck hype?!

Actually, you're right. I forgot she immuned status. Keeping track of which Ninas do what is always a problem for me.

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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2009, 04:30:27 PM »
Tana (FE8) vs Nina Wyndia (BoF4)
Tana vs Mesdoram Elmdor (FFT): Unlike most peg knights Tana is basically average at taking magic. So... Elmdor has a faster 2HKO with the evade ignoring Muramasa.
Tana vs Zero (MMXCM): Close. zero has one shot with a 60 WE HAT, which does about 3.5x average damage... I respect FE evade less but I think it's enough to blunt that. EDIT: Yeah it is.
Tana vs Renee Kearse (MK)

Nina 4 vs Elmdor: Heal locks with the physical. Of course this isn't an automatic win... Nina is faster, but it's fuzzy by how much, and due to FFT boss scaling + Ryu4's influence on his damage average it's also hard to determine just how many doubles Nina needs. She has 255 AP, needs 9 to heal and 12 to attack... meh. Someone less lazy should math out speed calcs, at least.
Nina 4 vs Zero
Nina 4 vs Renee: It takes her 3 turns to set up that OHKO combo... nina's not going to stop that.

Elmdor ve Zero: Tecchs ignore blade grasp if memory serves, so yeah...
Elmdor vs Renee: ^^^

Zero vs Renee

Zero: 3-1
Tana: 3-1
Elmdor: 2-2
Renee: 2-2
Nina: 0-4

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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2009, 05:49:31 PM »
Tana (FE8) vs Nina Wyndia (BoF4)- Seeing wind spells as hitting Tana weakness
Tana vs Mesdoram Elmdor (FFT)
Tana vs Renee Kearse (MK)

Nina 4 vs Elmdor
Nina 4 vs Renee


Elmdor
vs Renee

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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2009, 06:25:43 PM »
Renee still has some durability and her charge attack, and her charge+Bomb should kill Mesdoram at worst while he can't do the same to her (unless you see her HP as below 1.3x PC HP, but I think that's sorta harsh even for my standards, and I'm one of the harshest people on boss HP around here). Renee isn't autosuck without the mana.
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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2009, 09:03:10 PM »
Tana (FE8) vs Nina Wyndia (BoF4)
Tana vs Mesdoram Elmdor (FFT)
Tana vs Zero (MMXCM)
Tana vs Renee Kearse (MK)- Hum.  Evade aside, Renee probably doesn't kill fast enough.

Nina 4 vs Elmdor
Nina 4 vs Zero
Nina 4 vs Renee

Elmdor vs Zero
Elmdor vs Renee

Zero vs Renee

Tana: 4-0
Zero: 3-1
Renee: 2-2
Nina: 1-3
Elmdor: 0-4
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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2009, 01:41:34 AM »
Tana (FE8) vs Nina Wyndia (BoF4)
Tana vs Mesdoram Elmdor (FFT)
Tana vs Zero (MMXCM)
Tana vs Renee Kearse (MK)

Nina 4 vs Elmdor
Nina 4 vs Zero
Nina 4 vs Renee

Elmdor ve Zero
Elmdor vs Renee

Zero vs Renee

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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2009, 01:42:47 AM »
Tana vs Mesdoram Elmdor (FFT) - Elmdor goes first and 3HKOs (his damage is all ITD, so Tana's res isn't relevant). Tana doubles and thus gets four shots at hitting him.

Her hit stat is 137, which I take as roughly 107% in the DL. Up against Elmdor's 43% evade... I'd say she gets 3/4 hits through. Blade Grasp eats 70% of attacks, except that it can only activate once per attack. Still, I don't even think she's getting 2/4 hits in here (barring some sort of really harse evade scaling that would likely screw Tana over overall in the DL), and I'm not sure she even 2HKOs Elmdor to me.

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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2009, 02:35:58 AM »
Tana (FE8) vs Nina Wyndia (BoF4): I guess Nina's fast enough to not be doubled, but that crit is coming sooner or later.
Tana vs Mesdoram Elmdor (FFT): Tana should land two out of four shots, assuming Elmdor's non-BG evade is about one third, which seems as nice an interp to hand out as possible. So basically it ends up a slugfest. Mm... I'm really not sure at all how it goes. Tana needs to kill in one hit fewer, though, so I'll toss a vote Elmdor's way; I could see both killing in either two or three hits.
Tana vs Zero (MMXCM): The question is, can Zero take Tana out in one round of turn two beats? I'm thinking probably not, even with his flyer-killer. He can't attack before then or Tana completes the 2HKO.
Tana vs Renee Kearse (MK): Yeah, she punishes Renee pretty badly here, and all that evade...

Nina 4 vs Elmdor: Nina's type of match.
Nina 4 vs Zero: Buffs to OHKO with physicals.
Nina 4 vs Renee: Buffs to OHKO with physicals.

Elmdor ve Zero: Don't see techs stopped by Blade Grasp, sooo yeah, this gets ugly.
Elmdor vs Renee: Better slugger.

Zero vs Renee: Smashy smashy?

Tana 3-1
Zero 3-1
Renee 2-2
Nina 1-3
Elmdor 1-3

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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2009, 04:04:27 AM »
Tana (FE8) vs Nina Wyndia (BoF4)
Tana vs Mesdoram Elmdor (FFT)

Nina 4 vs Elmdor

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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2009, 07:07:12 AM »
Tana (FE8) vs Nina Wyndia (BoF4)- Nina. Doesn't Tana really dislike Wind magic?
Tana vs Mesdoram Elmdor (FFT)- Elmdor
Tana vs Zero (MMXCM)- HATS aren't ITE?
Tana vs Renee Kearse (MK)- Tana

Nina 4 vs Elmdor- Nina
Nina 4 vs Zero- Zero
Nina 4 vs Renee- Renee

Elmdor ve Zero- Zero
Elmdor vs Renee- Renee

Zero vs Renee- Zero

Zero 3-0
Renee 2-2
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Tana 1-2
Elmdor 1-3
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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2009, 07:16:28 AM »
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Doesn't Tana really dislike Wind magic?

Excalibur does normal damage to flyers, which is the most obviously wind-elemental spell in the game. (You can argue Fimbulvetr is too by relying on non-GBA FEs, but I'm not inclined to do so... still it ALSO fails to hit weakness, for what that's worth.) So no. They are weak to the Wind Sword, but I'm inclined to view that as a special property of the sword.

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HATS aren't ITE?

Nope. Seriously, you never noticed? The ability of certain HATs to fail against flying bosses really stood out in-game; that's why you usually had some way to ground them for half a turn.

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Re: FIT Season 51, Heavy Pool 1
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2009, 04:32:38 AM »
Voting is over.  Pool 2 should be up sometime tomorrow, along with this pool's results.