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Rauny (OB) vs Lenny
Rauny vs Joshua
Rauny vs Neclord
Rauny vs Hallec
Rauny vs Rose
Rauny vs Hawk (SD3)
Rauny vs Shin (S2)
Rauny vs L'Arachel
Rauny vs Tear
Rauny vs Adell
Rauny vs Fred
Rauny vs Ayne

Chie (P4) vs Lenny
Chie vs Joshua
Chie vs Neclord
Chie vs Hallec
Chie vs Rose
Chie vs Hawk
Chie vs Shin (S2)
Chie vs L'Arachel
Chie vs Tear
Chie vs Adell
Chie vs Fred
Chie vs Ayne

Snorlax (PKMN) vs Lenny
Snorlax vs Joshua
Snorlax vs Neclord
Snorlax vs Hallec
Snorlax vs Rose
Snorlax vs Hawk
Snorlax vs Shin (S2)
Snorlax vs L'Arachel
Snorlax vs Tear
Snorlax vs Adell
Snorlax vs Fred
Snorlax vs Ayne
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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2009, 05:42:46 AM »
Snorlax vs Joshua - Snorlax is 0.55x average speed or so. He's closer to light than heavy, really, and just gets shredded here.
Snorlax vs Hawk - And again.
Snorlax vs L'Arachel - Amnesia makes this a bit more interesting. Let's see... L'Arachel goes first and doubles, Snorlax uses Amnesia, L gets four hits which are effectively two regular hits. Snorlax survives that, but needs to Rest to survive. This gives L six straight hits in before Snorlax wakes up again (!!), but with Amnesia up he can survive that. Still... he's heal-locked here, and Rest runs out before 5 Thunder tomes do.

Gen 3 Snorlax would have a significantly better chance here due to much higher base sp def... though even when he gets turns he'd have to put up with evade and counters. Good match there, but I don't vote on that form.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2009, 05:44:18 AM by hinode »

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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2009, 05:52:31 AM »
Rauny (OB) vs Lenny- Stone is 100% when it hits. Lenny clearly has the HP to take at least two Thunder Flares.
Rauny vs Joshua- MT magic ignores counters and she's going first. Both are evasive enough to give the other problems.
Rauny vs Neclord- Elemental resists.
Rauny vs Hallec- Hallec needs a OHKO here offhand? Won't get it.
Rauny vs Rose- 2HKO.
Rauny vs Hawk (SD3)-Silence means Rauny has to use her physical. STR bust kills her damage and defense, and Hawk should outslug at that point.
Rauny vs Shin (S2)- Faster.
Rauny vs L'Arachel- Magic evade.
Rauny vs Tear- Too much pressure.
Rauny vs Adell- Evade should prevent Adell from 2HKOing.
Rauny vs Fred- Evasive mage.
Rauny vs Ayne- Ayne slaughters her as soon as he connects. Massive HP means he gets enough time for that.

Chie (P4) vs Lenny- Stone.
Chie vs Joshua- Power charge abuse. Her evade's better so that tips it.
Chie vs Neclord- Boss mage is bad news for Chie.
Chie vs Hallec
Chie vs Rose
Chie vs Hawk- STR down.
Chie vs Shin (S2)
Chie vs L'Arachel- Kneejerk.
Chie vs Tear
Chie vs Adell
Chie vs Fred- Tank.
Chie vs Ayne- Evade.



Snorlax (PKMN) vs Lenny
Snorlax vs Joshua- Doubles burn.
Snorlax vs Neclord- That MDef makes Neclord run screaming.
Snorlax vs Hallec- Defense curl.
Snorlax vs  Rose- ID.
Snorlax vs Hawk- Thinking.
Snorlax vs Shin (S2)
Snorlax vs L'Arachel- Snorlax LG MDef is stupid.
Snorlax vs Tear- Tear can't put any kind of pressure on here.
Snorlax vs Adell- Thick fat.
Snorlax vs Fred- Hyper beam finisher.
Snorlax vs Ayne- Thinking.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2009, 06:47:53 AM by superaielman »
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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2009, 06:40:36 AM »
Rauny vs Joshua - Rauny's 2HKO magic is accurate and she's rather fast. Avoiding counters is a nice bonus.
Rauny vs Neclord - Resists Lightning. That doesn't bode well for Rauny.
Rauny vs Hallec - Evade+hitting Hallec's worse defense works.
Rauny vs Rose - Faster and 2HKOs.
Rauny vs Hawk (SD3) - Weird little fight.
Rauny vs Shin (S2) - Yeah.
Rauny vs L'Arachel - Hm, good fight. Rauny 3HKOs L'Ara, but she's triggering counters each time. Magic is a no-go even if it avoids counters, L'Arachel is just too magically tanky. So, she just gets overwhelmed by Fire counters. Weird and cool.
Rauny vs Tear - Adds pressure like a champ. Tear is close to Light.
Rauny vs Fred - Fast magic isn't Fred's friend.
Rauny vs Ayne - The speed difference is just so huge. If Ayne didn't need to build AP, though, this might have ended up differently.

Chie vs Joshua - mrf. Miori Shirt is freaking nuts.
Chie vs Neclord - EDIT: Hmmmm, yeah, Auto-Endure probably gives Chie an extra hit here. I sorta neglected how Neclord's at death's door after a Tarucharged God's Hand. Go figure.
Chie vs Hallec - INACCURATE PHYSICAL FIGHTER AGAINST MIORI SHIRT
Chie vs Rose - Ow, Miori Shirt shenanigans.
Chie vs Hawk - More Miori Shirt shenanigans. Man, Auto-Sukukaja is silly in the DL. Go P4 evade hitting both physicals and magic.
Chie vs Shin (S2) - Yup.
Chie vs L'Arachel - Miori Shirt keeps on giving. Doesn't hurt that it buffs her accuracy, and Chie might OHKO even sans buffing. The Monty Python routine is funny that way.
Chie vs Tear - Chie vs. low Middle healer aw yeah.
Chie vs Fred - Massive failure. Chie's best option here is BUFULA~, and the mighty 7HKO damage ain't cutting it here even if Fred is inaccurate.
Chie vs Ayne - Chie goes Power Charge, then Tarukaja, then she gets a double and smashes with two God's Hands. Think this is a bit too much even for him to handle.

Snorlax vs Joshua - Viciously shreds.
Snorlax vs Neclord - Due to both being slugs, Snorlax actually stands a chance here. However... Neclord hits both defenses, is probably 3HKOing regardless and that puts Snorlax in too delicate a situation. Yeah, no.
Snorlax vs Hallec - More shredding.
Snorlax vs Rose - Rose just goes "lol dragoon" and IDs turn two.
Snorlax vs Hawk - The stat busting just piles up like a trainwreck here. God, Snorlax speed.
Snorlax vs Shin (S2) - Defense Curl may see use here. Shin can't 2HKO with physical+Spiderslay threat (lol), and Shin is below average speed by enough to quite possibly miss the 3-2, so this is probably enough. Saddeningly good match.
Snorlax vs L'Arachel - No. L'Ara doubles with overwhelming ease (quite possibly with something like effing ELFIRE), 3-2s constantly and Snorlax gets eaten every time he gets to attack. If hinode's views on FE damage have her winning, she certainly does it to me.
Snorlax vs Tear - Tear speed does -not- help matters here. Still closer than it has any right to.
Snorlax vs Fred - Shredding.
Snorlax vs Ayne - More shredding.
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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2009, 07:17:29 AM »
Snorlax vs Joshua - The doubling, it burns.
Snorlax vs Neclord - I'd buy Snorlax winning if Snorlax weren't so goddamned slow, but as it stands... no.
Snorlax vs Rose - ID.  Again, I'd see Snorlax winning if he weren't so slow!
Snorlax vs Hawk - Kneejerk
Snorlax vs Shin (S2) - Okay, I'll bite.
Snorlax vs L'Arachel - MDef.
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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2009, 08:27:15 AM »
Rauny (OB) vs Lenny- Not 2HKOed, 2HKOs easily
Rauny vs Joshua- I think
Rauny vs Neclord- Lightning halving should work here.
Rauny vs Hallec- Trade in AP for Mres, and has no problem tanking two hits. She's not 2HKOing, which means that even if Wrath is faster, he'll wait to use the second turn. I don't think evade is not saving her from 1.5 PC HP damage (Means she'll probably have to evade 3 of his 6 swings).
Rauny vs Rose- 2HKOs first.
Rauny vs Hawk (SD3)- Silence+Attack Down
Rauny vs Shin (S2)- 2HKOs first
Rauny vs L'Arachel- Looks like Rauny 3HKOs L'Arachel still. L'Arachel doesn't really 3HKO ever, and is slower.
Rauny vs Tear- Tear Pendant like means that Rauny doesn't get the 2HKO. Nightmare+Healing slowly might take her there unless OL (or maybe just healing too). This one is tentative.
Rauny vs Adell- Hmm, Adell doesn't like an above average evasion much. If someone is evading average 30% of the time, they are probably evading Adell far more.
Rauny vs Fred
Rauny vs Ayne- Ayne does 2HKO with a lot of ITE, but he's 3-2ed first or something

Chie (P4) vs Lenny- Too durable, and ITE 2HKO
Chie vs Joshua- Auto-Sukukaja laughs at his evade
Chie vs Neclord- Neclord 1 is 2HKOed first. Neclord 2 probably eats a God Hand and then an Endured Physical.
Chie vs Hallec- Chie is just too evasive at the beginning. Although...he may lap her since her speed ends up average. Endure and an extra physical could be a big difference here, but gutting it.
Chie vs Rose
Chie vs Hawk- Wow, halving Silence comes in handy for once. Gives her the time to build to the smash.
Chie vs Shin (S2)- Auto- Sukukaja laughs at his evade
Chie vs L'Arachel
Chie vs Tear
Chie vs Adell
Chie vs Fred
Chie vs Ayne- If she doesn't 2HKO, the endure physical should be enough.

Snorlax (PKMN) vs Lenny
Snorlax vs Joshua
Snorlax vs Neclord- Well, assuming damage is 600 around Neclord, his HP is 83%. If it's much lower, he'll get OHKOed. Unsure here.
Snorlax vs Hallec
Snorlax vs Rose- Hyper Beam is like 80% PC HP. Rose is OHKOed.
Snorlax vs Hawk- Silence
Snorlax vs Shin (S2)- Shin's evade probably wins him this.
Snorlax vs L'Arachel- L'Arachel versus Hyper Beam. OHKO.
Snorlax vs Tear- Healing works well against Hyper Beam.
Snorlax vs Adell- Adell's going to opt for Evasion. Throw in that as well as Adell's excellent HP meaning that Snorlax will need Two Hyper Beams to me Snorlax is 73% speed to me, so Adell 4-3s. He may even kill Snorlax first before factoring in the evasion.
Snorlax vs Fred
Snorlax vs Ayne- 3HKOs first.

Chie 10-2 (5-1, 5-1, And Endure may factor in twice! Really not that bad for her).
Rauny 7-5 (2-4, 5-1, Really solid against Middle and kept her own against Heavy for the most part. Close in a lot of her losses).
Snorlax 2-9 (1-4, 1-5, Definetely overrated him except against the frail. He comes close in a lot of these matches, but it's an evade heavy pool (Shin, Adell, Fred, Joshua to a lesser extend, and he doesn't deal well with that).
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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2009, 03:17:27 PM »
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Rauny vs Tear- Tear Pendant like means that Rauny doesn't get the 2HKO. Nightmare+Healing slowly might take her there unless OL (or maybe just healing too). This one is tentative.

Speed disadvantage definitely gives Tear some problems.
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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2009, 12:53:32 AM »
Chie (P4) vs Lenny: Stone, ITE, durable, something.
Chie vs Joshua: So Miori Shirt's really this good?
Chie vs Hallec
Chie vs L'Arachel
Chie vs Tear
Chie vs Fred: Physical reliant vs. Fred.

Snorlax (PKMN) vs Lenny
Snorlax vs Joshua
Snorlax vs Hallec: Too fast, durable, and damaging.
Snorlax vs L'Arachel: Hyper Beam OHKO hype works.
Snorlax vs Tear: I think...
Snorlax vs Fred: Getting Fred into Hyper Beam's kill range doesn't work for any form.
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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2009, 06:46:07 PM »
Chie (P4) vs Lenny
Chie vs Joshua
Chie vs Neclord
Chie vs Hallec
Chie vs Rose
Chie vs Shin (S2)
Chie vs L'Arachel
Chie vs Tear
Chie vs Adell
Chie vs Fred
Chie vs Ayne

8/11

Snorlax (PKMN) vs Lenny
Snorlax vs Joshua
Snorlax vs Neclord- Hmmm.  Screech/Giga Impact/Defense Curl/Rest... feels like he can stall it out.
Snorlax vs Hallec
Snorlax vs Rose- Misses out on the OHKO, so no-go there.
Snorlax vs Shin (S2)
Snorlax vs L'Arachel
Snorlax vs Tear- Fails the OHKO, but can readily afford to Screech.
Snorlax vs Adell- Can kill during a Rest, and the evade gives him enough fits that he has to stall at least some. Edit: Thick Fat!  That... probably costs Adell his Rest-killing ability, which I think is enough.1
Snorlax vs Fred- Tempted to hype Hyperbeam but... nah, evade still.
Snorlax vs Ayne- Anti-stall.

5/11
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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2009, 06:53:10 PM »
Is Screech Gen 4 Snorlax only?
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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2009, 07:00:37 PM »
I just checked four generations of Snorlax level-up move lists and none of them had Screech.

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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2009, 07:18:29 PM »
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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2009, 02:57:09 PM »
Rauny (OB) vs Lenny: Petrify.
Rauny vs Joshua: WTA over Josh to me...or rather, he's facing the disadvantage (I only see WT affecting the FE character), so he loses accuracy against her already good evade.  Thunder lets her avoid counters too.
Rauny vs Neclord: Kneejerk.  Resits her main damage, which I think settles it.
Rauny vs Hallec: Speed is in her favor.
Rauny vs Rose: Goes first, 2HKOs, isn't OHKOed.
Rauny vs Hawk (SD3):  Opens with Shurikens, which should resolve just before she goes, and that hurts her attack speed *AND* hit rate.  SHould be enough to screw with her stats further from there.  Blow Needles completely kills her Lightning as well.
Rauny vs Shin (S2): Kneejerk again!
Rauny vs L'Arachel: Kneejerk.
Rauny vs Tear: Good at applying pressure due to the speed.
Rauny vs Adell: Silly evasion <_<
Rauny vs Fred: Kneejerk and such.
Rauny vs Ayne: Ayne I think has just the durability to get through and IIRC, Hyper Arts ignored Evasion.

Snorlax (PKMN) vs Lenny: Stone.
Snorlax vs Joshua: He's getting way too many turns and evading crap for Snorlax to have a chance.
Snorlax vs Neclord: Kneejerk.  Snorlax lacks the speed to deal with boss slug fests like this.
Snorlax vs Hallec: I think his playing defensively with Rest should be able to sneak out a win?
Snorlax vs Rose: Rose double turns immediately cause Snorlax is just THAT SLOW.  Alternatively, she doesn't get OHKOed, so she just IDs him.
Snorlax vs Hawk: Stat Rape.
Snorlax vs Shin (S2): Should be able to muscle this out.
Snorlax vs L'Arachel: Snorlax's Magic Durability and a single Giga Impact should be enough for this fight.
Snorlax vs Tear: I don't think Tear has any way to get around Rest.
Snorlax vs Adell: Hmm...yeah, think I see his fist moves as Fighting type, which completely fucks with Snorlax.
Snorlax vs Fred: Fred wasn't much on offense, IIRC, and that's not a scenario you want to be in against Snorlax.
Snorlax vs Ayne: THis fight is hilariously awful, and I'm just giving it to the guy with higher speed...
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Re: Proving Grounds Middle/Heavy 1: Pokemon, Muses, and Galatic Punts.
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2009, 04:00:28 PM »
Updating this tomorrow. Get your votes in now.
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