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Season 52, Week 2
« on: June 06, 2009, 09:40:17 AM »
Godlike:

Citan (XG) vs. Zog (BoF1)
Eirika (FE8) vs. Lucia (Suikos)
Tibarn (FE9) vs. Kratos (ToS)
Guv (DQ8) vs. Yuri (SHs)

Heavy:

Daos (Lufias) vs. Auron (FFX)
Serge (CC)  vs. Jeremy (WA4)
Asellus (Saga)  vs. Kresnik (WA4)
Angelo (DQ8) vs. Yuber (S3)

Middle:

Roxis (MK) vs. Frog (CT)
Muppy (MK) vs. Gijimu (S2)
Nash (Lunar) vs. Mog (FF6)
Blastoise (PKMN) vs. Slade (ShF2)

Light:

Mia (Lunar) vs. Bartre (FE7)
Zell (FF8) vs. Kongol (LoD)
Skelly (CC) vs. Palmer (FF7)
Macha (CC) vs. Locke (FF6)
...into the nightfall.

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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2009, 09:48:39 AM »
Godlike:

Citan (XG) vs. Zog (BoF1)- Interesting...Citan does have that speed, and can probably push Zog down to a 3HKO. Gutting Citan at the moment.
Eirika (FE8) vs. Lucia (Suikos)- Lucia: Jeremy of Godlike.
Tibarn (FE9) vs. Kratos (ToS)- That special of his should push Kratos from a 2HKO to a 3HKO.
Guv (DQ8) vs. Yuri (SHs)- Only needs Call Team to do well once.

Heavy:

Daos (Lufias) vs. Auron (FFX)
Serge (CC)  vs. Jeremy (WA4)
Asellus (Saga)  vs. Kresnik (WA4)- Really unsure here. Asellus may have some healing that could make Kresnik cry.
Angelo (DQ8) vs. Yuber (S3)

Middle:

Roxis (MK) vs. Frog (CT)
Muppy (MK) vs. Gijimu (S2)
Nash (Lunar) vs. Mog (FF6)
Blastoise (PKMN) vs. Slade (ShF2)- 2HKOs, isn't 2HKOed itself. Glad Slade's stuff is actually Non-elemental.

Light:

Mia (Lunar) vs. Bartre (FE7)- Defense buff
Zell (FF8) vs. Kongol (LoD)- Laughs at puny physicals
Skelly (CC) vs. Palmer (FF7)- CC versus some evasion!
Macha (CC) vs. Locke (FF6)
...into the nightfall.

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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2009, 12:31:33 PM »
Godlike:

Citan Uzuki (XG) vs. Zog (BoF1) - Stalling game off that speed against Zog is just a bit much. Fire Shield might be able to turn the 2HKO into a 3HKO to boot, which is just too much against someone who's constantly tripling Zog after Renki.
Eirika (FE8) vs. Lucia (Suikos) - One-turns, isn't one-turned.
Guv (DQ8) vs. Yuri Hyuga (SHs) - Gets to kill one of the monsters before the combos of lol stupid in more or less any case, and Guv sucks at dealing with Yuri himself.

Heavy:

Daos (Lufias) vs. Auron (FFX) - Trivial.
Serge (CC)  vs. Jeremy Non (WA4) - Serge just doesn't have the stats to spoil Jeremy.
Asellus (Saga)  vs. Kresnik Ahtreide (WA4) - I'm in the "Asellus is a broken monstrosity when she gets a second turn" club. Go allowing Mystic skills.
Angelo (DQ8) vs. Yuber (S3) - I think he goes first. This is all he needs to win reliably.

Middle:

Roxis Rosenkrantz (MK) vs. Frog (CT) - CHRONA DRIVE~
Muppy Oktavia Vondercheck (MK) vs. Gijimu (S2) - Muppy sorta doesn't win slugfests against 2HKOers.
Nash Rumack (Lunar) vs. Mog (FF6) - Crushhhhhhhhhhh.
Blastoise (PKMN) vs. Slade (ShF2) - Slade 2HKOs RBY Blastoise, weakness or no weakness, and thanks his lucky stars he gets 2PB Raijin.

Light:

Mia (Lunar) vs. Bartre (FE7) - Cryo Shell!
Zell (FF8) vs. Kongol (LoD) - LoD PCs can chip. The end.
Skelly (CC) vs. Palmer (FF7) - I just sorta want to bite into the hype because Palmer winning is kinda hilarious and Skelly is pretty bleh. On the other hand, Skelly has one shot of healing+stat buffs, which I kneejerk to be enough to handle modest evasion off crappy slugfesting.
Macha (CC) vs. Locke (FF6) - Macha, on the other hand, has actual stats and probably 2HKOs Locke in her sleep.
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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2009, 12:57:57 PM »
Godlike:

Guv (DQ8) vs. Yuri (SHs) - No Call Team. Don't think Dragon Soul would change this.

Heavy:

Daos (Lufias) vs. Auron (FFX)
Serge (CC)  vs. Jeremy (WA4) - Not Serge's fight. If he landed a full chain, he'd win, but he gets killed before that.
Asellus (Saga)  vs. Kresnik (WA4) - Mystic skills.
Angelo (DQ8) vs. Yuber (S3) - Yuber vs. semidurable healer.

Middle:

Roxis (MK) vs. Frog (CT) - Almost cute, as Roxis has worse resources. But gutchecking the timed cards pile up too quickly.
Nash (Lunar) vs. Mog (FF6) - Hits Mog's fatal weakness.
Blastoise (PKMN) vs. Slade (ShF2) - Slade damage respect, present. Thinking.

Light:

Mia (Lunar) vs. Bartre (FE7) - Goes first.
Zell (FF8) vs. Kongol (LoD) - ...Chips. Hah.
Skelly (CC) vs. Palmer (FF7) - Is not Skelly.
Macha (CC) vs. Locke (FF6) - Someone maths this out, I could be argued. But gutchecking that Macha's got the statscha.

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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2009, 03:27:47 PM »
Godlike:

Citan (XG) vs. Zog (BoF1)- The turn split is staggering here.
Eirika (FE8) vs. Lucia (Suikos)- Lucia does not like evasion. Or damage.
Guv (DQ8) vs. Yuri (SHs)- Blah to Call team.

Heavy:

Daos (Lufias) vs. Auron (FFX)- Daos coasts so much on things that don't mean squat in game (Elemental resists, HP, Focusing damage.) that it makes him one of my least favorite heavies. On the other hand, it's Auron. GOOOOOO DAOS!
Serge (CC)  vs. Jeremy (WA4)- Jeremy for the semis, most likely?
Asellus (Saga)  vs. Kresnik (WA4)- I don't think Asellus has a ghost of a chance of OHKOing and she needs it. Weapon status blows ass in a bad way in Saga and she can't keep up with him post speed boosting. Magic status is... no. Could change my vote here.
Angelo (DQ8) vs. Yuber (S3)- Yuber needs a little too much with crits here. I... actually think Boss Yuber wins this if he's faster than Angelo, but I doubt he is.

Middle:

Roxis (MK) vs. Frog (CT)- ARWOOOOOOO!
Muppy (MK) vs. Gijimu (S2)- Don't think I take change hype seriously.
Nash (Lunar) vs. Mog (FF6)- Status. Mog can't buy a win in the DL of late. I blame Shion.
Blastoise (PKMN) vs. Slade (ShF2)- Just better at most everything.

Light:

Mia (Lunar) vs. Bartre (FE7)- Fuck ice shell, Bartre hates the magic.
Zell (FF8) vs. Kongol (LoD)- Chips. What's Zell going to do in the meantime, kill with his physical?
Skelly (CC) vs. Palmer (FF7)- Skelly is good for a CC light.
Macha (CC) vs. Locke (FF6)- Think the speed's enough.
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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2009, 04:04:53 PM »
How is Locke speed supposed to help him at all when he's getting 2HKOed while 4HKOing back unless he's instadoubling forever (and ahahahaha to that)? Macha's damage is above average, hits his utterly awful physical durability and his speed isn't even that good, particularly against something that's like 0.88% average speed (he'd need something like 140% average speed to 3-2 Macha - and 3-2ing her doesn't help much! - and it's hard to see FF6 PCs getting that high on speed unless you take the speed spreads very literally. FF6 ATB doesn't sell itself on this matter, either). I know it's tempting to go "lol cc", but Locke is rather noticeably bad, and shouldn't be winning slugfests against even halfway competent Light physical sluggers.
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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2009, 04:10:33 PM »
Evade, excuse me. 6a Locke is decent enough at dodging physicals, and that's all he needs in this case.
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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2009, 04:28:15 PM »
Ah, that's a different case then.
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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2009, 06:03:52 PM »
Matches of note.

Tibarn (FE9) vs. Kratos (ToS) - It sounds from Dhyerwolf like FE10 might change this, but off FE9 only...  Tibarn puts up a pretty good fight here, actually.  ToS attack speed is pretty gutcheck (Lloyd and Sheena are fast?  Raine and Presea are slow?), but Kratos feels middle, meaning Tibarn is doubling.  PC Kratos has practically no health left after his opening double and can't heal his way out; he has a vague argument, though, in the Last Fencer still hitting a weakness.  Normally I'd dismiss this since Beorc and Laguz Guards mean there's a clear separation in FE9, except that the Last Fencer's weakness is more like "humanoid" rather than "human."  Hits the many half-elves you fight fine, for example.  But..  Boss Kratos has the durability for me, and he's 2HKOing with that wind weakness going, so.

Guv (DQ8) vs. Yuri (SHs) - No Call Team, no Dragon Soul, but even if Guv does have Call Team, Yuri can wreck two teams easy.  And I believe Dragon Soul is an auto-crit?  So no chance of extra variance even if Guv theoretically attempted to heal-lock the faster Yuri out of resources, and an opening Mind Assault means that Guv likely wouldn't have much in the tank anyway.

Zell (FF8) vs. Kongol (LoD) - Okay, I know I'm far less strict with FF8 interpretations than others, but Zell should have a win here likely regardless because Kongol's just that slow.  Here's how:  Kongol chips Zell somewhere into the realm where he can OHKO him (35-45% HP).  Zell has just been standing there on free wait, maybe only getting some hits in at the beginning of the fight.  Zell beats himself up immediately in response.  Barring a "lucky" crit, Zell is now at 2-12% HP.  It's now a race between Zell and Kongol as to who gets the next turn.  I can see throwing this out vs., say, 90% average speed fighters in arguing that it takes too long to punch yourself, but vs. epic slug Kongol?  And with that Duel coming up basically instantly due to the high amount of crisis, and it being a nice long one too?

Okay, that's my story.  There is admittedly one wrinkle: how does Kongol's ID chance work?  Does he need the full addition to land?  Is it really a 3% chance distributed across all his little hits?  Or is it a once-an-addition check that doesn't need the other hits to hit?  Irrelevant to me, as I let FF8 characters equip status defense junctions, but if Kongol's ID weapon worked where he could still get a 25% shot out of one tap and then missing the rest, then Kongol can likely win that way for those who don't allow it.

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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2009, 07:05:56 PM »
Godlike:

Citan (XG)
vs. Zog (BoF1)
Eirika (FE8) vs. Lucia (Suikos)
Tibarn (FE9) vs. Kratos (ToS): Hell no the Last Fencer doesn't hit Tibarn. And the boss form that isn't pathetic is as legal as Asch's first boss form, and I don't see people hyping him...
Guv (DQ8) vs. Yuri (SHs)

Heavy:

Daos (Lufias) vs. Auron (FFX)
Serge (CC)  vs. Jeremy (WA4)
Asellus (Saga)  vs. Kresnik (WA4): Not terribly sure here.
Angelo (DQ8) vs. Yuber (S3)

Middle:

Roxis (MK) vs. Frog (CT)
Muppy (MK) vs. Gijimu (S2): Meh.
Nash (Lunar) vs. Mog (FF6): Status
Blastoise (PKMN) vs. Slade (ShF2): See Snow.

Light:

Mia (Lunar) vs. Bartre (FE7): She's ridiculously good against physicals.
Zell (FF8) vs. Kongol (LoD): Chip, sure.
Skelly (CC) vs. Palmer (FF7): Palmer.
Macha (CC) vs. Locke (FF6): Easy enough.

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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2009, 08:02:17 PM »
Tibarn (FE9) vs. Kratos (ToS): *Hypes Kratos' non-pathetic boss form.* He loses anyways. 2HKO against Tibarn + evasion + cancel, and not super durable. Good fight, and Kratos would win if Tibarn didn't have all that HP and Def on top of his other strengths.
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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2009, 04:08:15 AM »
Guv and Yuri. Call Team (initiative) - Roborg's 163% average speed vs Yuri's 112% (SR 146%) average = goes first. Turn one SKA's 135.9% kill damage > Yuri's 113.5% HP and 110% Def. - Yuri goes SPLAT!



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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2009, 08:01:33 PM »
Godlike:

Citan (XG) vs. Zog (BoF1) - ...wow.  Citan.  Rarely does a PC beat a boss to me.  Thank god for an IGRC of 0.1 here.
Eirika (FE8) vs. Lucia (Suikos) - ...fail.  Eirika.
Tibarn (FE9) vs. Kratos (ToS) - Kratos. 
Guv (DQ8) vs. Yuri (SHs) - Mmm...Guv.

Heavy:

Daos (Lufias) vs. Auron (FFX) - Daos.  Upgrade.
Serge (CC)  vs. Jeremy (WA4) - Jeremy.
Asellus (Saga)  vs. Kresnik (WA4) - Kresnik.  SaGa status is really, really, really not that good.  I don't allow Mystic skills from absorptions either, so...
Angelo (DQ8) vs. Yuber (S3) - Angelo.

Middle:

Roxis (MK) vs. Frog (CT) - Roxis.
Muppy (MK) vs. Gijimu (S2) - MUPPY.  Change pastes Giji, and Muppy can take hits decently well enough.
Nash (Lunar) vs. Mog (FF6) - Nash.
Blastoise (PKMN) vs. Slade (ShF2) - Slade.  Teen Titans form.

Light:

Mia (Lunar) vs. Bartre (FE7) - Mia.  Tinks via Ice Shell.
Zell (FF8) vs. Kongol (LoD) - Zell.
Skelly (CC) vs. Palmer (FF7) - Palmer.
Macha (CC) vs. Locke (FF6) - Macha.
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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2009, 08:16:11 AM »
Chiming in that I would allow Kratos' Last Fencer to hit weakness against Tibarn.... if Tibarn ever fought in his humanoid form... Since he gets that permanent-transformed-state accessory, Last Fencer is just a normal sword here.

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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2009, 01:42:34 AM »
Godlike:

Citan (XG) vs. Zog (BoF1) - Zog is slow, but hits hard.  Citan is fast, durable, hits reasonably hard, and has healing, elemental reduction, and Xenogears haste.

I don't think I need to accentuate the point further.

Heavy:

Asellus (Saga)  vs. Kresnik (WA4) - see Snow
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Re: Season 52, Week 2
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2009, 01:52:20 AM »
Just a thing: Asellus hardly needs to OHKO. Even with a high 2HKO (which she -should- have with her level of stat dominance), she's keeping more pressure than Kres can handle. While this wasn't an issue in his Middle run, Kresnik has to deal with the fact his healing sorta sucks: below 50% healing is problematic, particularly so when he doesn't get that many chances to double (which he honestly won't against Asellus of the capped SaGa speed after MC). If her damage reaches something a bit below Alkaiser-level, for instance, Kres is getting 2HKOed through his healing sooner or later, and this means he explodes the minute he fails to double.
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