Plot Power Tourney S32 - Round Four

[DjinnAndTonic]

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Empyrea (DQ8) 8-7
Patriarch Sergius XVII (XS2) vs. Chaos (FFI) 3-7
Cidolfas Orlandu (FFT) vs. Zog (BoF1) 3-11
Altima (FFT) vs. Myria (BoFs) 2-12

Heavy

Darkham (AtL4) vs. Kanon (WA2) 3-6
Brad Evans (WA2) vs. Serge (CC) 2-9
Alena (DW4) vs. Zeno (BoF5) 3-7
Nina Wyndia (BoF4) vs. Rose (LoD) 0-12

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Gafgarion (FFT) 11-1
Rath (FE7) 4-6 vs. Mog (FF6) 0-13
Warlock (S4) vs. Jude Maverick (WA4) 2-10
Mid-Boss (Dis) vs. Belselk (WA) 4-7

Light

Galleon (S5) vs. Sid (S2) 9-0
Hrist (VP1) vs. Seth (FE8) 10-3
Gadget Z (S3) vs. Jin Uzuki (XS2) 2-11
Rufus Shinra (FF7) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3) 2-11

Well, the headlining Godlike match was the closest match we've had during this tournament. Too many of the matches have been pretty clear-cut. Perhaps some rank-shuffling is neccessary for the next tourney?

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI)
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs)

Heavy

Kanon (WA2) vs. Serge (CC)
Zeno (BoF5) vs. Rose (LoD)

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6)
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA)

Light

Galleon (S5) vs. Hrist (VP1)
Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3)


Tallied slightly early because I won't have time tomorrow! Happy voting!

-Djinn

[Meeplelard]

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI): Considering I never really voted for Belial, and I voted for Chaos both times, I think it says something about both their halves.
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs): Zog vs. the very person he was trying to summon for the sake of MORE POWER, gee, I wonder who wins...

Heavy

Kanon (WA2) vs. Serge (CC): Serge's plot power is impressive and all, but totally screwed up to the point where I'll say "Trained Bionic Assassin who kills demons for sport" is enough to win.
Zeno (BoF5) vs. Rose (LoD): Zeno's pretty badass, being more powerful than 10 of her flunkees *AND* a large robot, but...Rose terrorized an entire world for 11,000 years unequaled, and the base of her power isn't that much different in nature than Ryu's, for all that its not nearly to the same scale, but I stand by the 11,000 years of experience thing offsets that part.

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6): Althena powers and such.  Surprised Mog even made it this far, lucky draws for him and such.
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA): As far as I'm concerned, Rudy > Jude, since Rudy's got similar plot hype, but is also someone who is effectively a machine built for war and thus much better at fighting than Jude.  Now, considering Berserk > Rudy in most cases (let alone how he's > the other Quarter Knights, and Rudy struggled with Ziek), its logical to assume Berserk > Jude.  Berserk's pretty nuts in plot power, all things considered.  Again, the whole "they only beat him when he was having his power drained!" thing says everything about how strong he is.

Light

Galleon (S5) vs. Hrist (VP1): A recently awakened Valkyrie is still > most generic mortals, even elite warriors, though, Galleon's also got Old Age holding him back some.  Proof of the Valkyrie > Warriors thing? Lenneth can easily be seen as more powerful than Arngrim at the beginning of the game, and Arngrim was already pretty much the strongest warrior in his own country, so...yeah.
Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3): If nothing else, I'm gonna go with Mediums that get a fair amount of plot hype > Slicing up Mechs that are essentially useless half the time.

[Dunefar]

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI) - Chaos. To defeat Chaos implies that Belial has to break the reincarnation time loop. She's not up to snuff.
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs) - Myria. This match is exceedingly lame.

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6) - Luna. A shred of Althena is enough to smite down Mog.
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA) - Jude. Mmm. A fast ARMsman versus a slow, lumbering Metal Demon...?

[Dark Holy Elf]

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI): Powers are better defined.
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs): Obvious.

Heavy

Kanon (WA2) vs. Serge (CC): Bionic assassin > CC plot.
Zeno (BoF5) vs. Rose (LoD): Still Heavy champ.

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6): Enough of Althena's power to beat Mog, etc.
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA): Meep's analysis works for me.

Light

Galleon (S5) vs. Hrist (VP1): Galleon is pretty much Seth, so same result.
Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3): I dunno, I could be argued on this one. But Jin slicing a mech in half remains really impressive.

[DjinnAndTonic]

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI) - Belial creates alternate worlds, but I don't think that negates Chaos' reincarnation cycle. Going with Dune on this one.
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs) - Yeah... this one is sadly obvious, but I like the idea of them fighting it out in the DL.

Heavy

Kanon (WA2) vs. Serge (CC) - Arbiter powers hype!
Zeno (BoF5) vs. Rose (LoD) - Rose's accomplishments seem more impressive.

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6) - Althena, blah blah blah...
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA) - Allowing Belselk the full extent of his powers might just allow him to compete with a fraction of Althena's, but it more than allows him to overpower Jude.

Light

Galleon (S5) vs. Hrist (VP1) - If I'm giving everyone the full extent of their plot powers, Hrist is champ.
Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3) - Mediums are dependent upon the innate power of Filgaia, as the planet waned, they were more easily defeated by the Metal Demons. However, if I'm giving everyone the full extent of their powers, then a healthy-Filgaia-charged set of Mediums is hyped enough to take out the Mech-slicer.

[Meeplelard]

Its not a reincarnation cycle that Chaos has...

Its a ressurection cycle.  There's a fine line between the two.  Reincarnation = Rebirth, which means its unprovoked and works by itself.

HOWEVER, Garland OPENLY STATES that the Fiends of the Future send him back in time and revive him in the past, which means its not his OWN power that revives him, rather, the Fiends handiwork.  Given this is all about Chaos himself, and *NOT* Chaos and his flunkies helping on the sidelines (unless it was obvious he was openly summoning them which...its not here; the fiends have wills of their own and fight separate from Chaos.)

Chaos' powers are pretty undefined; at least with Belial, we know its a bunch of Space manipulation nonsense that lets her jump between dimensions and transport other things in and out of those dimensions, blah blah blah.  Chaos is just "Big evil god!"

There was no "Reincarnation Loop." It was a standard Time Loop with 2 sides playing active roles.  The thing is, the role in the PRESENT occurs at the beginning of the game, so it couldn't be stopped.  So you jump back 2000 years, and cut off the Time Loop at THAT part, by killing the fiends off in the past and Chaos himself, which means the fiends can't absorb the crystals, he can't gain power, etc.  Don't you find it strangely odd that Chaos suddenly just dies and becomes a nonfactor once he's attacked head on?  Its cause he doesn't simply die and revive like a phoenix, SOMEONE is reviving him.  Cut off one part of that loop, the entire thing dies.  For this reason, Chaos doesn't really deserve credit.

[Lance]

Godlike
Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FF1)
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs) - Hooray for Zog making it this far!  ...but no, he's not beating Myria.

Heavy
Kanon (WA2) vs. Serge (CC)
Zeno (BoF5) vs. Rose (LoD) - I don't think any of the other Heavies stand much of a chance at this point

Middle
Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6)
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA) - But...but...Midboss ;_;

Light
Galleon (S5) vs. Hrist (VP1)
Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3)

[Luther Lansfeld]

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI)- Yup.
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs)- Amusing.

Heavy

Kanon (WA2) vs. Serge (CC)- I guess.
Zeno (BoF5) vs. Rose (LoD)

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6)- dominatrix goddess
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA)- Um, he REFUSES TO BE TELEPORTED?

Light

Galleon (S5) vs. Hrist (VP1)
Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3)- The Virginia hype in this topic is pretty lol even by Virginia hyping standards.

[BaconForTheSoul]

Godlike
Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI) - Chaos needed the Fiends to help him out, and even then didn't do jack shit outside of going back in time and dying some more?  Belial on the other hand can still create dimensions, turn people into super beings, etc.
Dimension Creating, Superpower creating, Top Tier Godlike in Weakened state > Random going back in time powers.
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs) - Cute


Middle
Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6) - If Mog's epic weather changing powers were 100%, Luna would so lose this one!

[VySaika]

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI)
Zog (BoF1) vs. [/b]Myria (BoFs)[/b]

Heavy

Kanon (WA2) vs. Serge (CC)
Zeno (BoF5) vs. Rose (LoD)

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6)
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA)

Light

Galleon (S5) vs. Hrist (VP1)
Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3)-If RPGs and anime have taught us anything it's that swords > guns, as utterly unrealistic as that is. Jin is a serious swordmaster, and Virginia is only a rather good gunfighter. Medium hype gets counterd by CUTS MECHS IN HALF.

[OblivionKnight]

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI) - Mmm...Honestly, I think both are pretty close.  Belial...probably is better?  Yeah, go with her.
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs) - Tyr for champ.

Heavy

Kanon (WA2) vs. Serge (CC) - Kanon.
Zeno (BoF5) vs. Rose (LoD) - Rose.

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6) - Luna.
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA) - Belselk.  Why are these so obvious?

Light

Galleon (S5) vs. Hrist (VP1) - Hrist.
Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3) - Jin.  Is.  Jesus.  Thank you XS3!

[Cmdr_King]

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI)
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs)

Heavy

Kanon (WA2) vs. Serge (CC)- Okay, actual competition for Serge.  Soooo... well, I don't think the Chrono Cross has combat application, so Serge just has the Mastermune.  That's cool and all, but he's still... squishy at normal levels.  And Kanon is pretty badass and tricksy.
Zeno (BoF5) vs. Rose (LoD)

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6)
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA)- I suppose.

Light

Galleon (S5) vs. Hrist (VP1)
Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3)

[superaielman]

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI)
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs)

Heavy

Kanon (WA2) vs. [Serge (CC)
Zeno (BoF5) vs. Rose (LoD)

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6)
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA)

Light

Galleon (S5) vs. Hrist (VP1)- Eh.
Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3)

[Ultradude]

Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3)

[InfinityDragon]

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI) - Actually has plot power without relying on outside help.
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs) - Made clear in-game who's superior.

Heavy

Kanon (WA2) vs. Serge (CC) - Meh
Zeno (BoF5) vs. Rose (LoD) - Zeno has powers borderline to that of a Regent. Regents are made out to be a lot more feared and respected than Dragoons.

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6) - Fucking slaughter.
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA) - WA4 ARMS are hyped (and shown) as being world changing, country destroying weapons, and Jude has inborn affinity to them. Belselk blows up a few city blocks. No comparison. There's also the whole near infinite speed for a limited period of time trick Jude has going for him.

Light

Galleon (S5) vs. Hrist (VP1)
Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3) - Slicing mechs in half would be impressive if they were mechs with names; killing cannon fodder enemies isn't nearly as impressive. Virginia can summon Guardians and has weapons with more than a 3 meter attack range.

[Dhyerwolf]

Godlike

Belial (WA4) vs. Chaos (FFI)- Belial
Zog (BoF1) vs. Myria (BoFs)- Myria

Heavy

Kanon (WA2) vs. Serge (CC)- Not thinking about CC plot here.
Zeno (BoF5) vs. Rose (LoD)- Rose. Zeno isn't a regent, and plot wise it only took 7 dragoons to basically deal with the giant war of the past. And that was before Rose got 11,000 years of practice of just basically killing things.

Middle

Luna (Lunar1) vs. Mog (FF6)- Luna
Jude Maverick (WA4) vs. Belselk (WA)- Belselk. Not 100% sure, but Meep's argument is solid enough.

Light

Galleon (S5) vs. Hrist (VP1)- Hrist
Jin Uzuki (XS2) vs. Virginia Maxwell (WA3)- Jin. Not at all close with how the plot potrays Jin.