Trinity Limit - Phase Three [Godlike]

[Yoshiken]

The results from last 'week', firstly. Left-side sweep... for the team tournament.

***Team Tournament***
Team Whip It Good -[3:0]- Team God-Killers
Team Heavy-turned-godlike Swordgirls -[3:0]- Obviously Compensating for Something
Lady's Entourage -[2:0]- Hell's Angels
Team XTREEM Speed -[4:0]- Team God Kitties
***Singles Tournament***
Team Whip It Good -v- Team God-Killers
 - Jessica Albert -[2:2]- Yuri Volte Hyuga - Tiebreak not needed
 - Feena -[1:3]- Ryu3
 - Lucia -[0:4]- Fei Fong Wong
Team Heavy-turned-godlike Swordgirls -v- Obviously Compensating for Something
 - Beatrix -[0:4]- Emelious de Pamela
 - Celes Chere -[6:0]- Arngrim
 - Eirika -[5:0]- Cloud Strife
Lady's Entourage -v- Hell's Angels
 - Lady -[2:0]- Piastol
 - Killer -[0:3]- Sephiroth
 - Edna Capone -[0:2]- Lamington
Team XTREEM Speed -v- Team God Kitties
 - Belial -[2:0]- Rika
 - Tidus -[0:5]- Mewtwo
 - Jude Maverick -[0:4]- KOS-MOS

And then there were 4. Vote away, guys~


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Team Whip It Good -v- Team Heavy-turned-godlike Swordgirls
Lady's Entourage -v- Team XTREEM Speed
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Yuri Volte Hyuga -v- Beatrix
Ryu3 -v- Celes Chere
Fei Fong Wong -v- Eirika
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Piastol -v- Rika
Sephiroth -v- Mewtwo
Lamington -v- KOS-MOS
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Teams not in the singles tourney are listed at the top, so that's it from me. Enjoy. <3

[superaielman]

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Team Whip It Good -v- Team Heavy-turned-godlike Swordgirls- Can blitz.
Lady's Entourage -v- Team XTREEM Speed- Lost progress makes the speed game fuckery moot. Lady kills the entire team as soon as she gets a turn.
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Yuri Volte Hyuga -v- Beatrix
Ryu3 -v- Celes Chere- Is faster? Huh, been overrating Celes's speed.
Fei Fong Wong -v- Eirika- Plenty of respect for hype DB accuracy.
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Piastol -v- Rika- Damage or ID.
Sephiroth -v- Mewtwo- Status.
Lamington -v- KOS-MOS

[Yoshiken]

Yuri Volte Hyuga -v- Beatrix

Sephiroth -v- Mewtwo - Even with cycle!Seph, 2HKO physical+paralysis against a Pokemon is practically impossible to lose with.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Team Whip It Good -v- Team Heavy-turned-godlike Swordgirls - Very strong blitzing here. Jessica ain't bothering with Magic Burst here, since it's going to waste on the whole team (Eirika evade, Beatrix/Celes lol at fire), but MT status won't hurt, nor would tossing say Bounce or Oomph on someone else. The girls have to blitz down Jessica really fast as well, because you don't want the fast revivers keeping this level of offense afloat.
Lady's Entourage -v- Team XTREEM Speed - I was about to vote for Team XTREEMSPEED, then I remembered Lost Progress completely fucks them over. They even -can- down Lady with a fully focused assault, but then they horribly die to Killer+Edna combodouble death, and Lady getting a turn ensues ridiculous death as usual.
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Yuri Volte Hyuga -v- Beatrix - Being notably faster after Seraphic Radiance sorta seals the deal here.
Ryu3 -v- Celes Chere - fweem.
Fei Fong Wong -v- Eirika - <Fei> lol ohko *whiff.* <Eirika> I have struck home now you will die. *Sieglinde x4.* <Fei> WHATAMIFIGHTINGFORRRRRRR *dieds.* Not elegant, but simple.
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Sephiroth -v- Mewtwo - =(

[ThePiggyman]

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Team Whip It Good -v- Team Heavy-turned-godlike Swordgirls - Blitz? Sure.
Lady's Entourage -v- Team XTREEM Speed - Lady ownage? Sure.
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Yuri Volte Hyuga -v- Beatrix
Ryu3 -v- Celes Chere
Fei Fong Wong -v- Eirika
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Piastol -v- Rika
Sephiroth -v- Mewtwo
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[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Sephiroth -v- Mewtwo - I hold Seph to his cycle, which means Mewtwo throws up a Safeguard and then blitzes with Psychic. That'll destroy Seph before he can get to Supernova -> Kill, and wasting a turn flying really doesn't help him out.

This really jumped up at me. Is Seph's cycle so strict that he can't just physical at relatively free will and both 2HKO and paralyze Mewtwo? Seph has many ways to status for the win, and Supernova is probably one of the less practical.

[Yoshiken]

Supernova isn't the status, that's just the only way he can set up a kill after Safeguard blocks status. Not holding him to the cycle, I think it'd come pretty close, and Mewtwo wins hands down with the cycle, which... if nothing else, makes a good tiebreaker. >_>
If a boss follows an exact pattern, though, I tend to hold them to it. Generally speaking, it's relatively rare (in the games I've played, at least) so it doesn't come up too much and the cycles are generally good enough to not matter anyways.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Supernova isn't the status, that's just the only way he can set up a kill after Safeguard blocks status. Not holding him to the cycle, I think it'd come pretty close, and Mewtwo wins hands down with the cycle, which... if nothing else, makes a good tiebreaker. >_>

That also doesn't sound quite right, methinks? As I said, Sephy 2HKOs rather safely, isn't 2HKOed even before Wall, and hey look, he quite possibly 2HKOs through Recover (and certainly is able to overwhelm the healing), which is not good news, and Mewtwo -does- need to cast Safeguard or -die-. Maybe I'm overthinking this, though. Also, Seph -does- have Dispel to get rid of Safeguard (dunno if that follows a pattern or not), and Mewtwo can't afford to have Safeguard down. I dunno, even with holding him to that cycle, feels like Mewtwo has a few glaring issues in the fight.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Well, assuming you see Mewtwo as faster, Seph still has a 2HKO which he can keep up constantly. Supernova, Shadow Flare, physicals, Break, it doesn't matter. It's unlikely Recover is even enough healing, and even if it is, he's at best stalling until Mewtwo.

That's giving Seph free will with his AI. If you hold him to his in-game algorithm, that's okay, as long as you do that with every other boss too. Unless you're giving bosses who have a random chance to use any move a free pass compared to those that are more patterned, which seems blatantly unfair to the latter.

[Lance]

Team Whip It Good -v- Team Heavy-turned-Godlike Swordgirls
Lady's Entourage -v- Team XTREEM Speed
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Yuri Volte Hyuga -v- Beatrix
Ryu3 -v- Celes Chere
Fei Fong Wong -v- Eirika
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Piastol -v- Rika
Sephiroth -v- Mewtwo
Lamington -v- KOS-MOS

[Yoshiken]

...Okay. I've just rechecked the stat topics after reading about the physical+paralysis, and.. realised that I missed that completely due to it not being listed with the rest of Safer's stats. >_>
Admittedly, my respect for Sephiroth's HP is hideously low, due to a) FFVII damage being stupidly easy to come by, and b) being able to tweak his HP to make it lower, makes this relatively close, but... yeah, Seph -does- take it. Editing vote~

[Ultradude]

Team Whip It Good -v- Team Heavy-turned-godlike Swordgirls
Lady's Entourage -v- Team XTREEM Speed
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Yuri Volte Hyuga -v- Beatrix
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Sephiroth -v- Mewtwo - I could... almost argue this for Mewtwo if it was faster... if only Seph didn't nearly OHKO with his phsyical.

[Dark Holy Elf]

Team Whip It Good -v- Team Heavy-turned-godlike Swordgirls
Lady's Entourage -v- Team XTREEM Speed: Somewhat closer than it has been given credit, since XTREEM Speed can certainly kill Lady before she gets a turn. The problem is that they can't quite kill both Lady and Killer, which means they eat two Malice Dirges, which means they lose. Heck, even if they pulled it off, Edna could quite possibly mop them all up. Maybe it's not that close. Didn't think XTREEM Speed could actually lose in this format, but I forgot that Lost Progress is a ridiculous spoiler to them.
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Yuri Volte Hyuga -v- Beatrix
Ryu3 -v- Celes Chere
Fei Fong Wong -v- Eirika: Even if you see Yamikei hitting, the leadup attacks will whiff, so Fei isn't going to OHKO.
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Sephiroth -v- Mewtwo
Lamington -v- KOS-MOS
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[Yoshiken]

~48 hours until I end this round, so get votes in~!

[Random Consonant]

Ryu3 -v- Celes Chere - Yep.
Fei Fong Wong -v- Eirika - Huh, been overrating Yamikei's damage and underrating Eirika's durability.  Ain't life funny.

[SnowFire]

Team Whip It Good -v- Team Heavy-turned-godlike Swordgirls - Congratulations on the title, Team Whip.
Lady's Entourage -v- Team XTREEM Speed - Was Malice Dirge full MT?  I seem to recall most attack magic in SH3, even Combo Magic, hitting wide areas rather than being pure MT.  I know for sure that Lady's attacks were only "hit a very large area," as that's how I survived her double combo - the three people hit by it all died horribly, but Shania was missed by some of it enough to barely cling to life.  That said, I was one of the people who voted for Luther over Belial, so it doesn't matter to me, but "Belial is immune to the opposing team" seems a legitimate argument for XTREEM.
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Yuri Volte Hyuga -v- Beatrix
Fei Fong Wong -v- Eirika - No Yamikei.
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Lamington -v- KOS-MOS

Whip it Good vs. XTREEM Speed would be a pretty cute finals match, though boiling down to only initiative.  Would definitely see either Feena or Jessica as able to single-handedly flatten the other team, but with Tidus's cheaty Hastega-Slowga nonsense, they might well both be dead before they get a turn.

[Dark Holy Elf]

I believe Malice Dirge is actually MT (it is sort of the game's "ultimate spell", being combo magic only used by the final bosses) but it's possible it is just a very wide AoE. Can't ever recall it not hitting everyone.

You probably survived a double-combo because it involved Hex attacks, which are only GT.

[Nephrite]

Team Whip It Good -v- Team Heavy-turned-godlike Swordgirls
Lady's Entourage -v- Team XTREEM Speed
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Yuri Volte Hyuga -v- Beatrix
Ryu3 -v- Celes Chere
Fei Fong Wong -v- Eirika
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Piastol -v- Rika
Sephiroth -v- Mewtwo
Lamington -v- KOS-MOS

[DjinnAndTonic]

Team Whip It Good -v- Team Heavy-turned-godlike Swordgirls
Lady's Entourage -v- Team XTREEM Speed
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Yuri Volte Hyuga -v- Beatrix
Ryu3 -v- Celes Chere
Fei Fong Wong -v- Eirika
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Piastol -v- Rika
Sephiroth -v- Mewtwo
Lamington -v- KOS-MOS

This works, but chiming in on this:
Fei vs. Eirika - Overall high Yamikei respect works for me. Pretty much anytime Eirika faces ITE it's an auto-lose...

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Iunno, XG techs aren't ITE, just very accurate...

EDIT: And that's not even getting to the fact that Eirika necessarily < ITE is wrong on principle. She isn't frail either way.

[alanna82]

Yuri Volte Hyuga -v- Beatrix
Ryu3 -v- Celes Chere
Fei Fong Wong -v- Eirika  No Eirika respect, and Fei isnt armored, mounted or a monster. I take Sacred stones characters at 20/20, so Eirika is ramming her caps so her averages are lowered. If Citan can beat Eirika, so can Fei.
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Sephiroth -v- Mewtwo

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

I like how you use the ramming caps excuse when Eirika's relevant caps for this fight don't get hit anyway. You also may be overselling the effect that 20/20 has on the averages a bit - most of the caps don't get hit too hard, and it hurts more people who had low caps they were ramming into or rammed already, like Eph (or people whose growth is too low to gain points from the extra levels) - Eirika's caps don't suffer from those issues much. 30 Speed is highly respectable unless you hype everybody as having capped stats, Skill is irrelevant, Eirika rams into no other caps with the extra levels, and she's bound to gain one point of each stat sans speed and skill on average at least from the higher levels). If you just disrespect a character, that's fine, just please don't abuse facts that you obviously seem to not fully understand as an excuse to greenlight bias. And Eirika had a fine argument against Citan, who is quite possibly a superior dueller to Fei anyway, so that's also poor reasoning.