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Taishyr · « **Reply #50 on:** October 25, 2009, 03:19:29 AM »

What's their rate of drop?

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #51 on:** October 25, 2009, 06:41:13 AM »

* Jo'ou Ranbu calcs the Edge/Ho-oh fight.

Okay. Edge goes first, statuses, deals 8% to Ho-oh, sleeps. Now, assuming Edge gets three Fumas in, he deals 31% to average per Fuma. Ho-oh has 116% HP, so that's roughly 26%. 26%*3 = 78%, +8%, he just dealt 86% of Ho-oh's health when he wakes up. This means that the next Fuma is fatal if Ho-oh doesn't heal, and if Ho-oh heals, Edge just reapplies sleep and now ends the fight. Yeah, it's actually Edge's fight unless you see Sleep lasting less than three of Edge's turns.

SageAcrin · « **Reply #52 on:** October 25, 2009, 06:03:27 PM »

Quote from: Taitoro on October 25, 2009, 03:19:29 AM

What's their rate of drop?

1/128 or so off a couple of really common enemies. (1/64 but enemies won't always drop stuff.)

I've had multiple show up on a playthrough, in practice, and they're not really that uncommon to see; the couple of enemies that drop them...I know one of them was common, but IIRC the other one practically infests Babel Tower's lower levels and that was long as hell.

Luther Lansfeld · « **Reply #53 on:** October 25, 2009, 06:19:21 PM »

Meeple told me that there is also one in the Sylph Cave, which is something I might actually consider allowing. What's the situation there?

superaielman · « **Reply #54 on:** October 25, 2009, 06:33:04 PM »

It's in a treasure chest near Yang along with the poison/hell claw. The Charm claw is the unique one.

SageAcrin · « **Reply #55 on:** October 25, 2009, 07:31:36 PM »

Yeah, in theory it's supposed to be the claw Yang's wearing when he leaves, I think.

In practice those two claws will be there if you unequip Yang before he leaves, and there's no battles between Yang leaving and you unequipping him, so. FF4 wasn't advanced enough for things like variable equipment in chests I guess.

Regardless, those two chests are basically there to give Edge claws as far as I can tell. Yang's in a coma right next to them after all. >_>

OblivionKnight · « **Reply #56 on:** October 25, 2009, 08:20:26 PM »

On the other hand, it would be against the great teachings of Barney to STEAL something from someone else while they're sick in bed. I mean, assholes >_>

So yeah, no claws for Edge if you believe in being a GOOD PERSON

SageAcrin · « **Reply #57 on:** October 25, 2009, 11:12:27 PM »

Actually I think he tells you to take the chests when he wakes up.

I mean, I might be recalling this wrong but yeah.

DjinnAndTonic · « **Reply #58 on:** October 26, 2009, 12:25:40 AM »

Quote from: OblivionKnight on October 25, 2009, 08:20:26 PM

if you believe in being a GOOD PERSON

If we believed in that, we wouldn't be forcing world-saving heroes to fight eachother to the death for our amusement.

ThePiggyman · « **Reply #59 on:** October 26, 2009, 12:38:26 AM »

Quote from: DjinnAndTonic on October 26, 2009, 12:25:40 AM

Quote from: OblivionKnight on October 25, 2009, 08:20:26 PM
if you believe in being a GOOD PERSON

If we believed in that, we wouldn't be forcing world-saving heroes to fight eachother to the death for our amusement.

Oh man, I laughed. I'm tempted to quote that.

Clear Tranquil · « **Reply #60 on:** October 26, 2009, 03:49:00 PM »

Golden yeah. Dooo eet Piggy!

I dunno Leena receives healz and Turn Blue + Anti Red w/th blue elements. She also has that special restore elements tech thingy. Depending on those factors and/or auto revive respect from Leena's ultimate (someone should check if that thing actually does revive) Zhuzhen might be given a run for his money. Might turn it into a decent fight at least though I don't really know if Leena could win or not. Plus feel free to ignore rabit CTs on CT baits >_>

DjinnAndTonic · « **Reply #61 on:** October 26, 2009, 05:17:29 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99nmlSTmwHM&feature=PlayList&p=6A8985022DEDC924&index=51&playnext=3&playnext_from=PL

Not quite proof, but it only took 10 seconds of searching.

Paltheos · « **Reply #62 on:** October 26, 2009, 08:35:55 PM »

Heavy

Ho-oh (Pokemon) vs. Edward "Edge" Geraldine (FF4) - Ho-oh can learn Rest... via TM (an easily attainable, before post-game TM too, if you care). Is that DL legal? If so, Rest/Safeguard/Recover/Sacred Fire gets him around the sleep average shenanigans (as does Sleep Talk/Recover/Sacred Fire/(filler or nothing) - may be better and everything I said for the Rest TM applies to Sleep Talk too), and DS Edge just dies to Sacred Fire.
Nina Wyndia (BoF4) vs. Kasumi (Suikos) - 2HKOs first, apparently.

Middle

Elhaym van Houten (XG) vs. Rikku (FFX) - Body/Mind Blocker? I forgot about those. Elly wins here.

Light

Relm Arrowny (FF6) vs Colette Brunel (ToS) - Still undecided. Leaning toward Relm.

Talaysen · « **Reply #63 on:** October 26, 2009, 09:23:12 PM »

TMs generally aren't considered DL-legal. I can see an argument if only a small proportion of the cast could learn it, but I think a lot of pokemon can learn Rest that way.

hinode · « **Reply #64 on:** October 26, 2009, 10:22:59 PM »

Rest is a universal TM (aside from things like Magikarp that can't use TMs) and there's only one copy per game in GSC. It's about as legal as Knights of the Round is for the FF7 cast.

Cmdr_King · « **Reply #65 on:** October 26, 2009, 10:55:32 PM »

Sleep Talk might be more interesting for this particular match, although I'm pretty sure it's fairly widespread as well (if not so much so as "Everything but Regilol learns it" Rest).

That said, for the most part I think allowing TMs/Move Tutors for anything but cases of only one pokemon/evolution line learning it (I don't think there's any such cases past Soft Boiled in Gen1?) is pretty hard sell to the DL, but I doubt anyone's going to get worked up over someone voting that way.

SnowFire · « **Reply #66 on:** October 28, 2009, 05:55:02 AM »

Notable matches:

Ryudo (G2) vs. Miakis (S5) - Not going to math it out, but I normally use a fairly generously low damage average for Grandia II due to their SP issues, and it might be enough to put Ryudo over the top.
Elhaym van Houten (XG) vs. Rikku (FFX) - Well, Al-Bhed Potions are legal! I think I could even be persuaded that all Mixes are legal as well (weird as it is that she can use items then she can't normally), which would make Rikku a pretty badass Middle - stall off Alchemist-backed healing until a broken Mix - but even with 50% Sleep Protection her stalling game is just lost here.

Quote from: DjinnAndTonic on October 24, 2009, 10:20:17 AM

Wow... how did she beat Zelos again?

This was already covered, but figured I'd chip in anyway. That was a bit of a rob IMO, although she does have an argument. Weird, but guess it's a backlash against Tales hype earlier. Checking the Suiko 1 stat topic, Kasumi is 157% average speed... so if TB speed is taken totally literally and Zelos is perfectly average and Zelos doesn't OHKO, that is a an immediate 3:2 which is probably a kill. Problem with this is, while it's been a long time, I believe that there is a random element added to Suiko1 initiative - i.e. 120 speed does not always beat 119 speed - and a random element functionally moves everybody closer to average speed. I wouldn't be surprised if that alone was enough to put her at the <=150% TB Speed mark. Obviously there's also interpretations of TB speed that don't take it literally (caps, SDs, etc.), so that too.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #67 on:** October 28, 2009, 05:57:35 AM »

Quote from: SnowFire on October 28, 2009, 05:55:02 AM

Notable matches:

Ryudo (G2) vs. Miakis (S5) - Not going to math it out, but I normally use a fairly generously low damage average for Grandia II due to their SP issues, and it might be enough to put Ryudo over the top.

Not even the most generous damage average listed in G2 gets Ryudo to 2HKO average with anything. The damage spread just fails too much. Taking anything lower than that average (which already helps mitigating a lot of the SP issues, and honestly the only PC who really suffers from the SP issues in practice besides prolonged stallfests which they already lose period anyway is Ryudo...)... I honestly think you'd have to fudge numbers arbitrarily (as in, either ignore moves entirely or make up numbers that aren't there) to make the averages any lower. And given that, even so, Ryudo would need to 2HKO with Flying Tenseiken there to have a prayer in hell. Saying he 2HKOs with Flying Tenseiken is just... I don't even know, feels like it's giving just about the whole cast a 2HKO, and off resource issues that aren't actually -that- pronounced because, aside Ryudo and Elena (who has other methods to deal damage and win duels to begin with), they can use their money moves at least 3-4 times per battle. The resource issues end up worse in practice because the damage spread in G2 is just horrible - everybody 3HKOs.

074 · « **Reply #68 on:** October 29, 2009, 08:04:03 PM »

Nanaki/Red XIII (FF7) vs Dekar (Lufia 2) -- Yeah, not seeing Red win here. Dekar hits hard as hell, is hard to kill, and furthermore likes his healing and damage IPs.

Pyro · « **Reply #69 on:** October 30, 2009, 12:30:18 AM »

Changing vote to Elc for Elc vs. Ryu 3. I thought Tiamat could outright outlast L1 Invincible, but that isn't the case, so Ryu 3's dragon forms don't last.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #70 on:** October 30, 2009, 12:34:27 AM »

What can Elc -do- to kill Ryu, though? He immunes draining without morphing into a dragon and Elc's best damage hits his pdur like a little boyscout. Ryu might not even -need- to transform into a dragon to outlast Elc, given how his whoring hits a complete wall there and Ryu is a pretty high-class healer as it stands.

Pyro · « **Reply #71 on:** October 30, 2009, 12:41:03 AM »

Counters and Charge should get around the human form, I believe.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #72 on:** October 30, 2009, 12:49:09 AM »

Ryu3 can buff his defense too, and -that- doesn't run out and stacks. It's also piddly cheap.

Pyro · « **Reply #73 on:** October 30, 2009, 12:55:54 AM »

Oh, Barrier?

That works. And hey at least we find a match he uses his human form to win.

Jo'ou Ranbu · « **Reply #74 on:** October 30, 2009, 12:56:54 AM »

Ryu has both Barrier and Protect, actually. But hey.

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