La Pucelle: Tactics

[OblivionKnight]

Yes, we could have used this a long while ago.  I didn't have access to the game, sue me ( as long as you don't bring Zombie Cochran against me, I'll be fine ).

Anyway, this is a topic, taken slightly differently than I intended to.  I didn't play the game through again, simply because that would take too long.  So, here are the settings and assumptions I took for this:

1) Level 50 for all characters, except Salade at 60.  This is higher than I would have wanted to use, but still keeps the general idea.  Basically, Salade joins at level 50 when the rest of your characters are about level 30; these were the levels I wanted to use originally.  This still retains Salade's level advantage, and usually by level 70, everyone is equal anyway, so this compromises everything decently well.

2) I'm using shop level 6.  While I had originally intended to use shop level 9, I realized that that stuff is...extremely expensive.  Shop level 6 is the last shop level with prices below 6 figures, so I figured this would be the best place to stop.  I'll list equipment options in a bit.

3) Speaking of equipment: characters have 4 equipment slots, like Disgaea.  However, you can equip 4 of anything: 4 weapons, 4 armours, 4 rings, etc.  I'm defaulting to 2 armours and 2 weapons each character.  Hell, here's the best place to list equipment:

Wise Staff - INT+120, SP+30, RES+30
Axe Bomber - ATK+120
Karate Chop! - ATK+130, HIT+20, SPD+20
Megaton Punch - ATK+140, HP+40, SPD-20, HIT-20
Wise Robe - DEF+105, INT+40, RES+40, SP+40
Guts Vest - DEF+128
Thor's Armour - DEF+140, SPD+40, RES+20
Odin's Armour - DEF+140, SP+20, RES+20
Ghost Cape - DEF+100, HP+30, SPD+30, RES+30
Divine Book - SP+60, RES+60

There are also some status weapons (Poison, Paralysis) which have 70 and 110 ATK, respectively, that inflict the status ~30%.  Fairly worthless, to me.

I'm defaulting to certain sets for certain characters.  Basically, here's the set-up I'm using:

Axe Bomber (Alouette will be using 1 Wise Staff in place of a Axe Bomber)
Axe Bomber (Culotte will be using 2 Wise Staves in place of the Axe Bombers)
Odin's Armour
Odin's Armour

4) Stats!  Actually, these are very similar to Disgaea, with one exception:

HP - Life
SP - Needed for special abilities
ATK - Physical punching power
DEF - Physical non-dying power
HIT - Accuracy, affects prevalence of stat-skill effects
INT - Magical nuking power
SPD - Speed and evasion (unlike Disgaea, this can be taken as actual speed in most senses, and not just for the clinically insane like me; this stat affects who acts first in LPT "battles")
RES - Magical non-dying power

5) Skill levels...are not equal, unfortunately.  I'm listing the levels of them with their damage, so it can be scaled accordingly.  I had a penchant for the cheaper skills (Coup de Grace, Holy Punch, etc.), so those are the really high ones, comparatively.  It makes a little difference, but shouldn't do too much.  All damage was tested on an arbitrary DEF stat of 304, and RES stat of 318.

Anyway, that's about it!  Here we go!


Prier
"You suck!"
HP - 455
SP - 171 (211)
ATK - 324 (564)
DEF - 227 (507)
HIT - 297
INT - 199
SPD - 238
RES - 92 (132)

Coup de Grace (Lvl.14, 8 SP) - 561
Deliverance (Lvl.5, 20 SP) - 407
Divine Storm (Lvl.5, 32 SP) - 460
Redemption (Lvl.3, 60 SP) - 456
Holy Wind (Lvl.1, 8 SP) - 155, long range
Batter Up (Lvl.1, 22 SP) - 204, long range
Recovery (Lvl.1, 8 SP) - Restores status, long range


Culotte
"That was scary!"
HP - 352
SP - 394 (494)
ATK - 226
DEF - 148 (428)
HIT - 221
INT - 407 (647)
SPD - 266
RES - 280 (380)

Iyashi (Lvl.8, 5 SP) - 181 healing (110 healing with 2 axes)
Cure (Lvl.6, 20 SP) - 652 healing (399 healing with 2 axes)
Blessing (Lvl.1, 62 SP) - 1570 healing (960 healing with 2 axes)
Kitchen Sink (Lvl.3, 8 SP) - 51, long range (93 with 2 axes)
Tulip Spear (Lvl.2, 20 SP) - 35, long range (85 with 2 axes)
Mushroomania (Lvl.1, 30 SP) - 274, long range (100 with 2 axes)
Kitty Kitty (Lvl.4, 90 SP) - 286, long range (197 with 2 axes)


Alouette
"In the name of the Maiden of Light!"
HP - 429
SP - 405 (475)
ATK - 265 (385)
DEF - 166 (446)
HIT - 210
INT - 410 (530)
SPD - 284
RES - 226 (296)

Iyashi (Lvl.6, 5 SP) - 141 healing (157 healing with 2 staves) <107 healing with 2 axes>
Cure (Lvl.4, 20 SP) - 522 healing (579 healing with 2 staves) <395 healing with 2 axes>
Blessing (Lvl.1, 62 SP) - 1420 healing (1575 with 2 staves) <965 healing with 2 axes>
Tough Love (Lvl.3, 4 SP) - 150 (244 with 2 axes)
Repent! (Lvl.2, 15 SP) - 175 (295 with 2 axes)
Book Bash (Lvl.2, 35 SP) - 277 (362 with 2 axes)
Rain of Fire (Lvl.8, 13 SP) - 308 fire, long range (455 with 2 staves)
Holy Bells (Lvl.4, 25 SP) - 309 lightning, long range (533 with 2 staves)
Divine Light (Lvl.1, 60 SP) - 263 holy, long range (334 with 2 staves)


Croix
"Time to die!"
HP - 540
SP - 272 (312)
ATK - 369 (609)
DEF - 220 (500)
HIT - 253
INT - 333
SPD - 308
RES - 169 (209)

Flaming Shot (Lvl.7, 8 SP) - 382 fire, long range
Icy Shot (Lvl.3, 20 SP) -
Double Shot (Lvl.-, - SP) -
Machinegun (Lvl.-, - SP) -
Lethal Weapon (Lvl.1, 75 SP) -
Sacrifice (Lvl.1, 150 SP) - 666, long range


Light Eclair/Dark Eclair
"I hope you're not hurt/Is that all you've got?"
HP - 455/455
SP - 280/280 (320/320)
ATK - 272/426 (512/666)
DEF - 310/120 (590/400)
HIT - 306/250
INT - 319/261
SPD - 238/393
RES - 250/94 (290/134)

Royal Blade (Lvl.6, 8 SP) - 327
Royal Thunder (Lvl.3, 19 SP) - 173, long range
Royal Lightning (Lvl.2, 37 SP) - 348
Light and Dark (Lvl.1, 100 SP) - 387
Transform (Lvl.1, 10 SP) - Morphs into Dark Eclair; this does not take up a turn, and additionally, Eclair can enter the battle in either form, and switch as much as she wants, as long as SP holds out

Dark Sword (Lvl.9, 10 SP) - 559
Omega Lance (Lvl.5, 40 SP) - 606
Meteor Slash (Lvl.5, 22 SP) - 218, long range
Light and Dark (Lvl.2, 100 SP) - 655
Transform (Lvl.1, 10 SP) - Morphs into Eclair; this does not take up a turn, and additionally, Eclair can enter the battle in either form, and switch as much as she wants, as long as SP holds out


Father Salade
"Feel the weight of fifty years!"
HP - 945
SP - 190 (230)
ATK - 668 (908)
DEF - 427 (707)
HIT - 564
INT - 363
SPD - 557
RES - 62 (102)

Holy Punch (Lvl.6, 8 SP) - 653
50 Year Jab (Lvl.3, 22 SP) - 615
50 Year Kick (Lvl.3, 40 SP) - 597
Holy Truth (Lvl.3, 63 SP) - 886


Homard
"Behold our kitty and crossbones flag and despair!"
HP - 590
SP - 230 (270)
ATK - 399 (639)
DEF - 278 (558)
HIT - 271
INT - 245
SPD - 354
RES - 141 (181)

Thunder Blade (Lvl.7 10 SP) - 470 lightning
Shadow Dash (Lvl.2, 22 SP) - 392
King Slash (Lvl.2, 50 SP) - 410
Demon Blade (Lvl.2, 60 SP) - 590
Broken Arrow (Lvl.4, 25 SP) - 261 fire, long range
Burning Soul (Lvl.3, 100 SP) - 1200, decreases HP to 1 and SP to 0; x10 damage to demon lords


Papillon
"I'll do anything for Homard!"
HP - 164
SP - 352 (392)
ATK - 151 (391)
DEF - 86 (366)
HIT - 320
INT - 345
SPD - 496
RES - 497 (537)

Fan Chop (Lvl.4, 6 SP) - 132
Pretty Kiss (Lvl.2, 10 SP) - 57 (112 with 2 staves)
Cupid Arrow (Lvl.5, 25 SP) - 144
Fairy Charge (Lvl.3, 55 SP) - 162


Yattanya
"I'm not pussy-footing around!"
HP - 469
SP - 172 (212)
ATK - 354 (594)
DEF - 187 (467)
HIT - 247
INT - 211
SPD - 272
RES - 131 (171)

Giant Paw (Lvl.7, 8 SP) - 446
Long Paw (Lvl.3, 22 SP) - 330, long range
Burning Paw (Lvl.1, 55 SP) - 342 fire
Meteor Paw (Lvl.2, 45 SP) - 299 fire, long range


Averages
*Note that the Eclair listed is the average of Dark Eclair and Light Eclair's relevant stat*

HP: 489
1) Salade - 945
2) Homard - 590
3) Croix - 540
4) Yattanya - 469
5t) Prier - 455
5t) Eclair - 455
7) Alouette - 429
8) Culotte - 352
9) Papillon - 164

DEF: 497
1) Salade - 707
(Light Eclair - 590)
2) Homard - 558
3) Prier - 507
4) Croix - 500
5) Eclair - 495
6) Yattanya - 467
7) Alouette - 446
8) Culotte - 428
(Dark Eclair - 400)
9) Papillon - 366

SPD: 343
1) Salade - 557
2) Papillon - 496
(Dark Eclair - 393)
3) Homard - 354
4) Eclair - 315
5) Croix - 308
6) Alouette - 284
7) Yattanya - 272
8) Culotte - 266
(Light Eclair - 238)
9) Prier - 238

RES: 247
1) Papillon - 537
2) Culotte - 380
3) Alouette - 296
(Light Eclair - 290)
4) Eclair - 212
5) Croix - 209
6) Homard - 181
7) Yattanya - 171
(Dark Eclair - 134)
8) Prier - 132
9) Salade - 102

Damage: 463
1) Salade - 886 (Holy Truth)
[Dark Eclair - 606 (Omega Lance)]
2) Homard - 590 (Demon Blade)
3) Prier - 561 (Coup de Grace)
4) Eclair - 477 (Royal Lightning/Omega Lance)
5) Yattanya - 446 (Giant Paw)
[light Eclair - 348 (Royal Lightning)]
6) Alouette - 308 fire (Rain of Fire)
7) Culotte - 274 (Mushroomania)
8) Papillon - 162 (Fairy Charge)

[OblivionKnight]

For the power of darkness, and the Church of the Divine Mother...

*Note: Noir's stats are fairly random, and fluctuate each time.  I fought him 3 different times, and each time it's been different - for the purposes of this topic, I averaged them.*



Noir
"At last the end is near!"
HP - 4020
SP - 718
ATK - 603
DEF - 524
HIT - 567
INT - 611
SPD - 499
RES - 723

Physical(Whirling Colours) - 255
Physical(Fingernail of Death) - 320
Dark Flame (Lvl.4, ? SP) - I have NEVER seen this skill...anyone know the trigger?
Hellfire (Lvl.4, 42 SP) - 375 fire, long range

[SnowFire]

Thread necro time!  A few comments.

SPD - Speed and evasion (unlike Disgaea, this can be taken as actual speed in most senses, and not just for the clinically insane like me; this stat affects who acts first in LPT "battles")

"Most senses" is a bit of a stretch.  To elaborate on this some - LPT is turn-based with strict alternation between sides, so player turn (with a move for all PCs), enemy turn (all enemies move & act), repeat.  What speed affects is the order characters attack in regular attack "battles", although I believe a slight speed bonus is given to the initiator of such battles.  e.g. if both Prier & Culotte attack a Skeleton on your turn and you hit "Begin Battle", the order will likely be Culotte ->Prier -> Skeleton.  If the Skeleton attacks back on his turn, it'll probably be C->P->S again, although the initiator boost makes it somewhat more likely he'll attack sooner than Prier (I think, not sure this even exists).  As such, LPT characters should be hyped for getting ATB speed only as much as turn-based RPG characters, at most.  Even this is probably too much - LPT speed is entirely irrelevant for special attacks, both allied & enemy, which is a fairly large part of the game.  In fact if both sides only use special attacks I'm pretty sure the SPD stat is meaningless, except for evasion purposes.  (Can LPT specials even miss?  I forget.)  So...  it'd be pretty reasonable to see all LPT characters as average-winning-tiebreaks, and use SPD only for further tiebreaks.

Note that per the above, LPT characters counterattack "regular" attacks with their own regular attack.  OK didn't include regular attack damage in the stat topic alas, so hard to hype this too much.  Note that your respect may vary as counters don't trigger vs. specials and specials are reasonably common (unlike, say, FE characters, who counter the vast majority of attacks in their home games).

Anyway, I'd probably still use LPT speed for determining FE doubling at least, so that's something.  (Prier hates this, Salade is happy.)

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Damage average - OK used true to in-game attacks for his damage average (you don't normally want to use the inefficient MP-slurping attacks), but this is the DL where characters probably will unload like crazy, so this is probably a little too nice to the cast.  Notably, Eclair has enough SP for 3 Light & Darks, and Culotte has enough SP for 3 Kitty Kittys.  (Unless there's something I'm forgetting about these moves.)  Additionally, while Alouette's split axe/wand build makes some sense if she's entirely restricted to one build, I think most people would be willing to let her switch from 2 wands to 2 axes by match.  As such I think 2x wand Holy Bells is the right call here for the damage average (since OK has that move benefiting weirdly a lot from the 2x wand build - some mult issue, I suppose).

If it makes the cast feel any better, Croix would probably drag the average down a tiny bit (Sacrifice is OPB when he leaves certainly); I'd think he should be included, but alas OK didn't get all the numbers, so probably best to leave him out.  Also regular attack counters will randomly help in some matches.

Damage
1) Salade - 886 (Holy Truth)
_ Dark Eclair - 655 (Light & Dark)
2) Homard - 590 (Demon Blade)
3) Prier - 561 (Coup de Grace)
4) Alouette - 533 (Holy Bells)
5) Eclair - 521 (Light & Dark)
6) Yattanya - 446 (Giant Paw)
_ Light Eclair - 387 (Light & Dark)
7) Culotte - 286 (Kitty, Kitty)
8) Papillon - 162 (Fairy Charge)

Average: 498 (killpoint: 1245)
OK's average: 463 (killpoint: 1157)