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Season 60, Week 5
« on: July 10, 2010, 01:43:47 PM »
Godlike:

Lady (SH3) vs Belial (WA4)
Ryu (BoF4) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs)

Heavy:

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Garai (CC)
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Scias (BoF4)

Middle:

Jill Fizzart (FE9) vs Venusaur (PKMN)
Bruiser Khang (ToD) vs Leehalt Alceste (WA3)

Light:

Blastoise (PKMN) vs Melville (S3)
Meg (Suikos) vs Diego Renault (VH)

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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2010, 01:46:15 PM »
Lady-Think most of her combos were MT.
Lenneth- OHKO

Garai- Competent boss slugger vs Edgar.
Jowy- Scias needs way too many calls in his favor (Not to be OHKOed, sleep working, Jowy not doubling at the wrong time) to win this.

Venusaur- Jill is a pretty crappy middle. She gets statused.
Bruiser- Chip, chip, SMASH

Blastoise- Melville's pretty badly outclassed here.
Diego- Counter fighters make Meg run screaming.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2010, 03:15:52 PM »
Godlike:
Ryu (BoF4) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs) - Kneejerk. No VP1.

Middle:
Jill Fizzart (FE9) vs Venusaur (PKMN) - Status vs. FE. Doesn't tend to end well.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2010, 05:08:02 PM »
Godlike:

Lady (SH3) vs Belial (WA4): Splat. MT combo of doom.
Ryu (BoF4) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs): Lenneth goes first? That settles it.

Heavy:

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Garai (CC): Edgar vs. Heavy boss. Yep.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Scias (BoF4): It all depends on whether Jowy OHKOs, as otherwise Sleep does it's thing and Scias wins. Scias is below average HP albeit not by too much, so I'll buy the NEB Jowy hype train.

Middle:

Jill Fizzart (FE9) vs Venusaur (PKMN): FE10 Jill goes first due to threat range and the odds of her winning in a straight-up status/Occult mashup are in her favor.
Bruiser Khang (ToD) vs Leehalt Alceste (WA3): Combo's are not Leehalt's friend? (see: Gatling?)

Light:

Blastoise (PKMN) vs Melville (S3): Tank mage.
Meg (Suikos) vs Diego Renault (VH): Going to guess he is good enough for this? Good run, Meg.

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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2010, 05:14:30 PM »
Godlike:

Lady (SH3) vs Belial (WA4) - MT lolohko.
Ryu (BoF4) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs) - Um VP2 Valkyrie. Can she deal with Ryu4?

Heavy:

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Garai (CC) - no.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Scias (BoF4) - no.

Middle:

Jill Fizzart (FE9) vs Venusaur (PKMN) - FE9 Jill no likey status.
Bruiser Khang (ToD) vs Leehalt Alceste (WA3) - He just 2HKOs and chips at worst.

Light:

Blastoise (PKMN) vs Melville (S3) - rofl.
Meg (Suikos) vs Diego Renault (VH) - I thought Meg's physicals were -ranged-. Counters aren't really the way here if so. Regardless, Diego goes first and 2HKOs.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2010, 05:45:19 PM »
Godlike:

Lady (SH3) vs Belial (WA4): Some of the death blitz is actually true multitarget. Well, just Calamity Gaze and Malice Dirge, but that's enough.
Ryu (BoF4) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs): Unsure on how VP2 does, tiebreaking that I know VP1 wins easily. Open to arguments here, too lazy to think deeply about it myself.

Heavy:

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Garai (CC): Edgar vs. status-immune. :(
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Scias (BoF4): BoF4 sleep isn't that good even, I don't think? It doesn't matter, Scias is below in both HP and MDef and I see Jowy OHKOing average, so...

Middle:

Jill Fizzart (FE9) vs Venusaur (PKMN): Jill pretty much needs turn 1 stun from her FE10 form? Yeah no. FE9 voter here anyway.

Light:

Blastoise (PKMN) vs Melville (S3): Melville mdur is nothing special, Blastoise pdur is. Bad mix.
Meg (Suikos) vs Diego Renault (VH): Probably.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 06:10:41 PM »
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Jill Fizzart (FE9) vs Venusaur (PKMN): Jill pretty much needs turn 1 stun from her FE10 form? Yeah no. FE9 voter here anyway.
It's more that her odds of Stun on a double and the fact that she goes first mean that she has a >50% chance of winning compared to Venusaur's status. 51% 'status' chance of winning that goes first beats out a 75% status that goes second. Jill's chance of victory is actually 63% or so. Possibly higher if I remember correctly and PKMN sleep wasn't an assured victory.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2010, 07:36:51 PM »
I mean Lady wins to me, but Belial does tripleturn, and I think Tank Drop should 3HKO to a lot of you

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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2010, 07:53:16 PM »
Belial doesn't tripleturn average, which Lady pretty much is, so not sure what you're getting at there.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2010, 07:55:42 PM »
Godlike:

Lady (SH3) vs Belial (WA4)
Ryu (BoF4) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs)

Heavy:

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Garai (CC)
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Scias (BoF4)

Middle:

Jill Fizzart (FE9) vs Venusaur (PKMN)
Bruiser Khang (ToD) vs Leehalt Alceste (WA3)

Light:

Blastoise (PKMN) vs Melville (S3)
Meg (Suikos) vs Diego Renault (VH)- Crap, guess Meg is long ranged. As usual, boo to "free counters" with no range supremacy.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2010, 08:30:32 PM »
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Belial doesn't tripleturn average, which Lady pretty much is

Even on her first turn?
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2010, 08:38:09 PM »
Yeah, she's above thereafter if anything. Might depend some on levels of course.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2010, 12:51:03 AM »
Godlike:

Ryu (BoF4) vs Lenneth Valkyrie (VPs) - I vote on VP1 Lenneth. Boomies.

Heavy:

Edgar Roni Figaro (FF6) vs Garai (CC) - Edgar against boss.
Jowy Atreides (S2) vs Scias (BoF4) - More OHKO Boomies.

Middle:

Bruiser Khang (ToD) vs Leehalt Alceste (WA3) - Leehalt doesn't like chippers with strong damage.

Light:

Blastoise (PKMN) vs Melville (S3) - Pokemon champ, finally?
Meg (Suikos) vs Diego Renault (VH) - Query: How good is Sniper damage? Can it at least 3HKO Meg? (I know Sky Lord would lose here since they take extra damage against ranged attacks and can't counter ranged).
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2010, 04:11:51 AM »
I doubt Sniper has average damage, but it should at least be good enough to 3HKO Meg? But if it 3HKOs it loses due to healing, I think?

Pretty sure I just take him as Sky Lord period, so Meg might OHKO with Trick Rune outright...
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2010, 04:16:36 AM »
Middle:

Jill Fizzart (FE9) vs Venusaur (PKMN) - Hmmm. Hmmmmmm.

Light:

Blastoise (PKMN) vs Melville (S3) - TURTLE POWER
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2010, 07:06:51 AM »
Meg apparently uses throwing knives, and I'm not sure if I'd class those as arrows here. Maybe. I dunno.

Regardless, I will take this time to rue the fact that we basically lack conclusive VH damage tests.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2010, 07:23:18 AM »
Quote from: Pyro on July 11, 2010, 04:11:51 AM
I doubt Sniper has average damage, but it should at least be good enough to 3HKO Meg? But if it 3HKOs it loses due to healing, I think?

If Meg's slower than average, Diego attacks, Meg gets countered, Diego kills Meg.

If Meg's faster than average, Meg gets countered, Diego attacks, Meg is forced to heal, see above.

So yeah, Sniper Diego 3HKOing is enough to win this, unless if Meg can 2HKO or is fast enough to get enough doubles against average speed before she runs out of healing.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2010, 07:25:35 AM »
Meg is below average speed. Not terribly far but enough to be clear of random variance in that regard.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2010, 03:44:22 AM »
Quote from: Dark Holy Elf on July 11, 2010, 07:06:51 AM
Meg apparently uses throwing knives, and I'm not sure if I'd class those as arrows here. Maybe. I dunno.

Regardless, I will take this time to rue the fact that we basically lack conclusive VH damage tests.

Taking this opportunity to throw in some "Boot non-Vandalier VH PCs" hype. I've even played the game due to it being ranked and I can't muster any interest in it in the DL. I'm also still in shock that we ranked non-Ash characters and we missed out on a PC named 'Grog Drinkwater'.

Shameful.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2010, 07:24:28 AM »
Eleni is pretty cool. Monk-girl with healing/paralysis with a plot fetish for golems. Is also the love interest or whatever.

Other than that I tend to agree (EDIT: that they are boring/don't interest me, not that they should be immediately booted or some such). Though Diego as Skylord is something I still kinda remember.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2010, 12:33:27 PM »
Hey, Diego has THE NOSE. I too am surprised (but not shocked) that Grog didn't make it. Oh well. Don't support booting, as usual.
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2010, 05:36:36 PM »
Aws. I like VH in the DL! :(
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Re: Season 60, Week 5
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2010, 07:42:22 PM »
Non-Ash Vandal Hearts characters essentially were ranked on the premise that no one really objected to the game on any level, and that was about the best a game had at that particular time.  There's a reason the concept of the ranking freeze came about shortly after this.

That said, I don't see anything particularly bad about it as a DL thing.  The whole class RPS business does make it a chore to work on from a pure stats standpoint, but I think having to go with your gut every once in a while isn't a bad thing >.>
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