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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2011, 10:26:39 PM »
Oh, FEs for Zelgius and FE 10 for the other two. Reversal! Isn't FE 9's Zelgius' form about as clean as his two FE 10 forms (which is to say...not at all!). I almost feel like I wouldn't be remiss in ranking him since it doesn't seem like he really got anything concretely better while Sothe and Elinicia did.

And Juno is weak to fire physicals, not fire in general! Fire in general would be a far more limiting weakness.
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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2011, 10:31:19 PM »
Zelgius has a legit duel form in FE10. It's a setup like FE9 except you have to win it.
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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2011, 10:45:06 PM »
And I didn't even realize until now that you didn't even have to beat him in FE 9!
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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2011, 10:53:48 PM »
I'll summarize if you'd like~

FE9: You duel him but you can run away. You do game over if you lose though. And it times out after five turns.
FE10 PC: He fights on four maps throughout the game, mostly murders shit in his sleep. These maps range from 20% to 80% through the game.
FE10 boss: You duel him, can't run away, game over if you lose.
« Last Edit: February 05, 2011, 10:58:24 PM by Ciato »
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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2011, 04:12:37 AM »
Ashera: Godlike. Not sure if I allow the Auras, but...she's still one without them.  High defenses, high offense hitting both defenses, some status on the side, and counters.  Only really fears MT ITD.
Caineghis: Low Godlike.  The only things he doesn't have is high status defense, weakness to Fire, and gets walled by Anti-Physical tricks (...the extreme kinds.  He kind of mocks raw defense.) 
Elincia Riddell Crimea (FEs?): Middle/Heavy.  Good offense, paired with counters and Pseudo Healing, she can hold her own well enough, though lowish durability.
Kieran (FEs): Middle.  He's basically Axe Oscar in FE9...yeah, maybe that's a cheat of a ranking, but still.
Lekain: Heavy.  Just a typical good ball-lightning slugger of a boss.
Marcia (FEs): High Middle.  Fast enough to double things, Stun is good, and has some evasion.
Micaiah: Middle.  I allow her Nosferatu, so she can stay alive better and such.
Nailah: Heavy/Godlike.  Caineghis- for the most part.
Oliver (FEs): Abstain.  Mostly cause I don't remember his FE9 boss form; may rate later.
Sanaki Kirsch Altina: Light/Middle.  Good offense, Rudol Gem and counters, and potential Flare saves her from being a shitty light.
Sephiran: Heavy/Godlike.  Hey look, its Holy Elemental Nergal, with actual speed, random ITD, the ability to ignore counters, Instant Death, Critical hit *AND* Random Skill Activation Immunity and High Regen!  ...so I guess he's not really anything LIKE Nergal <_<
Sothe (FEs?): Middle.  Good evasion and speed, not much else though.
Zelgius (FEs?): High Heavy.  Going off his boss form, which is a huge tank with good damage, counters, and a good chance of MUDRERING YOU DEAD should you try to Melee him. 

And I agree with Ciato that Zelgius' form in FE9 is so not legal.  It has plot armor bullshit, can be skipped entirely (game even encourages you to do so if winning seems unlikely), has a time limit, etc.
The FE10 form is 100% legit, just has some scaling arguments due to the duel nature, but really, that's no different than any other Duel boss we have ranked.
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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2011, 11:48:11 AM »
FE9 I feel is still viable for ranking - it automatically loses after, what, 5 actions?  It's just invincible!  Reminds me a bit of Gilgamesh's one form (either deal 13000 damage and wait 5 actions, or deal 55000 damage).  Not that his FE10 form is really worse overall!  He's just present in both games and has a viable form in both of them, so it makes sense to me to rank him as FEs.  Like everyone else.  

Not that I really mind either way.

Randomly, taking Blackie as a temp on his last map:

HP 51, Atk 44, Spd 26, Def 23, Res 21, Hit 162, Avo 75, Crit 23, Avo 23

Those are the PC averages.  Blackie's stats are...

70 HP, 38 Str, 18 Mag, 40 Skl, 30 Spd, 20 Luck, 35 (40) Def, 25 Res, 80 Avoid, 185 Hit, 56 Attack, 25 Crit

Average defenses are around 19, so average damage overall is 25, and Blackie deals 37.  Might very well like the PC temp form over the boss form, depending on how you take this stuff.
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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2011, 02:16:34 PM »
Just a note. Sephiran regenerates 40 of his 50 HP a round, guys. If you see him as very durable (and I know a lot of you do) then you should not be hesitating to put him as a 5.0 Godlike.

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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2011, 03:59:44 PM »
Hey, I put him high because of that. 

Granted, purely light-aligned damage, IIRC, so that does hurt a bit.  Still very good overall.
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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2011, 06:29:51 AM »
Pimpin' out the equal levels stuff since I know some people vote this way for other games at least!

http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,52.msg124458.html#msg124458

Summary of what this means to the current ranking: If you vote on FE10 and take levels this way, or even close to this way, then Elincia has no business being ranked anywhere near Middle. Don't think anyone else is too terribly affected. Sothe gets a bit worse; OLIVER gets a bit better (still doubled by average though).

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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2011, 06:39:59 AM »
Pimpin' out the equal levels stuff since I know some people vote this way for other games at least!

http://www.rpgdl.com/forums/index.php/topic,52.msg124458.html#msg124458

So... does this give Mist a Middle-level form?

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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2011, 06:49:06 AM »
I doubt it. While she does double average, which is always cool... her damage is still bad, her physical durability is still bad, and her evade still isn't good enough to be counted on (~21%). This does make her more competitive in Light, though.

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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2011, 10:26:05 PM »
Ashera - Godlike. Fitting!
Caineghis - Low Godlike. Feels like a rendition of VP1 Brahms. Except can afford to take 1 magical hit or 2.
Elincia Riddell Crimea (FEs?). Heavy. Amiti is a silly weapon (hello Stun proc!), and her growths and bases are strong enough to manage.
Kieran (FEs). Middle. Simple enough
Lekain. Light. Not necessarily a bad one (Silence gimmick is something for starters), but uh...durability.
Marcia (FEs). Low Heavy. More of that Peg Knight thing that we've been seeing.
Micaiah. Light/Middle. Kneejerk due to speed/durability combination. Nos is there though (maybe).
Nailah. High Heavy/Low Godlike. What Meep said essentially
Oliver (FEs). Light. Nos helps but 20 base speed is a thing.
Sanaki Kirsch Altina. Light. Stats are slightly better than Oliver but no Nos.
Sephiran. High Heavy. Hey look ma. If nothing else the regen is outright o_0.
Sothe (FEs). Low Middle. Speed/Evade. Otherwise...ew to that power.
Zelgius (FEs). High Heavy. Solid slugger with a good chance to instantly gg if his skills go off.
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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #37 on: February 15, 2011, 08:39:58 AM »
Do we have finalized totals on these?
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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #38 on: February 15, 2011, 09:34:09 AM »
The topic has been left open due to the DL being down anyway and my desire to see more people weigh in on rankings (number of votes in this topic is quite low, especially for SN). That said I'll probably close it in a little under 24 hours since at this point it looks like no more rankings are forthcoming. Last call if you want to get your say in!

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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #39 on: February 15, 2011, 02:32:56 PM »
Well, Meeple is almost done with SN, so you might wait a little longer for him? I think Nitori is playing it too?

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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #40 on: February 15, 2011, 04:37:23 PM »
If by "Soul Nomad" you mean "God Hand", then totally bro

I can go rank God Hand if needed, we should rank that instead anyway
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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #41 on: February 15, 2011, 04:37:43 PM »
There's a bunch of people who can rank that haven't yet (Nama, Yakko, etc.).

Or hey, I could rank again (like a normal person would rank too!) if you need a greater n >_>
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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #42 on: February 15, 2011, 05:39:04 PM »
Soul Nomad and the World Eaters

Danette: Low Heavy
Grunzford: Low Heavy
Juno: Low Heavy
Layna: Low Godlike
Odie: Low Heavy
Tricia: Low Middle
Vitali: Light

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Re: Rank the characters - Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn and Soul Nomad
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2011, 07:27:56 AM »
Well, a day became nearly a week thanks to the board being down! But yeah, closing now.

Results!

Ashera Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Godlike 4.98
Caineghis Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Godlike 4.80
Elincia Riddell Crimea Fire Emblem series Heavy 3.75
Kieran Fire Emblem series Middle 3.30
Lekain Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Light 2.95
Marcia Fire Emblem series Middle 3.58
Micaiah Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Middle 3.19
Nailah Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Godlike 4.71
Oliver Fire Emblem series Light 2.69
Sanaki Kirsch Altina Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Light 2.61
Sephiran Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Heavy 4.38
Sothe Fire Emblem series Middle 3.01
Zelgius Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Heavy 4.42

Danette Soul Nomad and the World Eaters Middle 3.62
Grunzford Soul Nomad and the World Eaters Heavy 3.76
Juno Soul Nomad and the World Eaters Middle 3.64
Layna Soul Nomad and the World Eaters Godlike 4.51
Odie Soul Nomad and the World Eaters Middle 3.72
Tricia Soul Nomad and the World Eaters Light 2.81
Vitali Soul Nomad and the World Eaters Light 2.56

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