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Re: Tourney 2011 Round 1, Week 2
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2011, 09:50:19 AM »
Well herp a fucking derp. Teach me to just go off memory. For some reason, I was thinking the Freeze was attached to an Almighty move. >_>

That said, I still don't see Ziodyne -> Hassou Tobi as anywhere near enough, and I can definitely see Heat splatting Souji quite easily. Definitely closer than I kneejerked, though. >.>

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Re: Tourney 2011 Round 1, Week 2
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2011, 12:43:19 AM »
The result doesn't really change, it's just the Freeze in the DL hype that's kinda baffling. The status is awful, since it doesn't make the enemy skip turns or anything like that. Its worth is strictly in-game.
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Re: Tourney 2011 Round 1, Week 2
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2011, 07:34:19 AM »
Well, it does make the next move auto-crit and ignore all resistances! (Still not really worth hype here.)

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Re: Tourney 2011 Round 1, Week 2
« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2011, 09:41:29 AM »
Oh. That would be me REALLY derping it up and forgetting DDS2 Freeze. >_>

So yeah, that fight really is just "Start with tentacles or not?" <_<

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Re: Tourney 2011 Round 1, Week 2
« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2011, 06:15:05 PM »
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Jack Russel (Radiata Stories) v Ted (Suikoden IV): ...no, Jack is not faster than Ted.  Suikoden 4 speed is NOT that wonky; I definitely remember Ted outspeeding people slower than him, that's enough for me.  Jack is average speed in that game.  Don't give me running speed nonsense cause this is a game with Range that overrides speed.
Claude C. Kenni (Star Ocean: The Second Story) v Riou (Suikoden II): Immunes Holy, outslugs Riou, and Energy Sword keeps up with the physical.
Seymour (Final Fantasy X) v Albedo (Xenosaga Series): Ultima.
Souji Seta (Persona 4) v Heat (Digital Devil Saga): Faster.

Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) v Tir McDohl (Suikoden Series): Gonna kneejerk that Tir gets his first turn, which means he wins.
Nailah (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) v Rolf Landale (Phantasy Star II): Not quite durable enough to survive Megid.  She could dodge, I guess, but Rolf may survive one of her turns.
Yuri Hyuga (Shadow Hearts Series) v Jenna Angel (Digital Devil Saga): Bhairava or something.
Yuri Lowell (Tales of Vesperia) v Cidolfas Orlandu (Final Fantasy Tactics): Breaks Yuri's weapon, which completely destroys his damage.

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Arngrim (Valkyrie Profile Series) v Marcello (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of Cursed King): Kneejerk.
Adelbert Steiner (Final Fantasy IX) v Margulis (Xenosaga: Jenseits von Gut und Bose): Ditto.
Kary (Final Fantasy) v Lloyd (Legend of Dragoon): Same!
Zerase (Suikoden V) v Vyse (Skies of Arcadia): Kills before he pulls off something big.

Vanille (Final Fantasy XIII) v Edgar (Final Fantasy VI): Noiseblaster completely destroys Vanille, given she has nothing but magic damage (I don't allow Commando)...if Air Anchor wasn't already enough.
Hect (Grandia III) v Emilia (SaGa Frontier): Goes first and 2HKOs.
Lans Tartare (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) v Harken (Wild ARMs): Abstain; don't remember Lans well enough.
Ike (Fire Emblem Series) v Fogel (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen): THe only thing Ike has going for him here is countering Fogel, which isn't enough seeing as FOgel just outclasses him.


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Rauny (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen) v Raine Sage (Tales of Symphonia): Kneejerkness.
Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis) v Caina (Wild ARMs 2): Lack of respect for WA2 bosses and Flay wasn't totally incompetent at slug fests!
Charles Barkley (Barkley's Shut Up and Jam Gaiden: Chapter 1 of the Hoopz Barkley Saga) v Lise (Seiken Densetsu 3): Lise opens with one of her summons, should be able to slug fest from there.
Gallows Carradine (Wild ARMs 3) v Graham Cray (Suikoden IV): Plays defensively, wins that way.

Hippopressor (Mega Man X: Command Mission) v Lightning (Final Fantasy XIII): She's good at offense and speed due to Axis Blade and its upgrades.
Eiko Carol (Final Fantasy IX) v Alma Beolvue (Final Fantasy Tactics): I allow Alma to change equips, so Chameleon Robe = Screwed Eiko.
Beatrice (Wild ARMs 3) v Tifa Lockhart (Final Fantasy VII): FF7 had a sleep blocker, so Beatrice kind of fails to avoid a Limit.
Katt (Breath of Fire II) v Axel (Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories): Faster, so should win this slugfest.


Light

Kid (Chrono Cross) v Rafa Galthana (Final Fantasy Tactics): Outslugging Rafa aint hard.
Rozalin (Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories) v Tony (Wild ARMs XF): Kneejerk?
Koroku (Suikoden III) v Akaghi (Suikoden IV): Suikoscrub > Suikodog.
Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII) v Labyrinthia Wordsworth (Wild ARMs XF): Doesn't take much to beat Aeris.

Judith (Tales of Vesperia) v Arietta (Tales of the Abyss): Arietta's HP is just that bad.
Evil Gaia (Grandia) v Mullen (Grandia): THis fight is too sad to think about.
Basculin (Pokémon) v Shabon (Suikoden III): Isn't Basculin a little too good for Light?
Rufus Shinra (Final Fantasy VII) v Meena Mahabala (Dragon Quest IV): Rufus really sucks.
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Re: Tourney 2011 Round 1, Week 2
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2011, 08:11:48 PM »
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Jack Russel (Radiata Stories) v Ted (Suikoden IV): ...no, Jack is not faster than Ted.  Suikoden 4 speed is NOT that wonky; I definitely remember Ted outspeeding people slower than him, that's enough for me.  Jack is average speed in that game.  Don't give me running speed nonsense cause this is a game with Range that overrides speed.


Yes, S4 speed is that wonky. To be use the example in the stat topic, on rare example, you can get an L1 PC to go before Mizuki. These are rare, but work but occur. These are still uncommon, but notably less rare with Ted who has 40 less speed. Yes, Ted will typically go before slower people, but a notable time he will get outsped by someone with much worse speed for little reason. I'm not sure how would describe this if not wonky.

If Jack is average speed, then everyone is average speed? Even Elwen and Daniel, where Elwen can probably get out two attack string where Daniel gets out one? I'm not even talking running speed here, there's a huge range of attack speeds, and Jack has some very fast attacks (Also, mages? A considerable number have charge times). While this isn't something you can make into a concrete number, Jack is good at getting in quick attacks compared to his allies, which is being fast. Ted...is good at that, except when the game fails and he goes before someone with 70 speed.
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Re: Tourney 2011 Round 1, Week 2
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2011, 09:26:06 PM »
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Jack Russel (Radiata Stories) v Ted (Suikoden IV)
Claude C. Kenni (Star Ocean: The Second Story) v Riou (Suikoden II)
Seymour (Final Fantasy X) v Albedo (Xenosaga Series)
Souji Seta (Persona 4) v Heat (Digital Devil Saga)

Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) v Tir McDohl (Suikoden Series)
Nailah (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) v Rolf Landale (Phantasy Star II)
Yuri Hyuga (Shadow Hearts Series) v Jenna Angel (Digital Devil Saga)
Yuri Lowell (Tales of Vesperia) v Cidolfas Orlandu (Final Fantasy Tactics) - Yuri can just equip a new sword.

Heavy

Arngrim (Valkyrie Profile Series) v Marcello (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of Cursed King)
Adelbert Steiner (Final Fantasy IX) v Margulis (Xenosaga: Jenseits von Gut und Bose)
Kary (Final Fantasy) v Lloyd (Legend of Dragoon)
Zerase (Suikoden V) v Vyse (Skies of Arcadia)

Vanille (Final Fantasy XIII) v Edgar (Final Fantasy VI) - Pain completely shuts down Edgar.
Hect (Grandia III) v Emilia (SaGa Frontier)
Lans Tartare (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) v Harken (Wild ARMs)
Ike (Fire Emblem Series) v Fogel (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen)


Middle

Rauny (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen) v Raine Sage (Tales of Symphonia)
Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis) v Caina (Wild ARMs 2)
Charles Barkley (Barkley's Shut Up and Jam Gaiden: Chapter 1 of the Hoopz Barkley Saga) v Lise (Seiken Densetsu 3)
Gallows Carradine (Wild ARMs 3) v Graham Cray (Suikoden IV)

Hippopressor (Mega Man X: Command Mission) v Lightning (Final Fantasy XIII)
Eiko Carol (Final Fantasy IX) v Alma Beolvue (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Beatrice (Wild ARMs 3) v Tifa Lockhart (Final Fantasy VII)
Katt (Breath of Fire II) v Axel (Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories)


Light

Kid (Chrono Cross) v Rafa Galthana (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Rozalin (Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories) v Tony (Wild ARMs XF)
Koroku (Suikoden III) v Akaghi (Suikoden IV)
Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII) v Labyrinthia Wordsworth (Wild ARMs XF)

Judith (Tales of Vesperia) v Arietta (Tales of the Abyss)
Evil Gaia (Grandia) v Mullen (Grandia)
Basculin (Pokémon) v Shabon (Suikoden III)
Rufus Shinra (Final Fantasy VII) v Meena Mahabala (Dragon Quest IV)

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Re: Tourney 2011 Round 1, Week 2
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2011, 04:06:01 PM »
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Jack Russel (Radiata Stories) v Ted (Suikoden IV): No Dark Res.
Claude C. Kenni (Star Ocean: The Second Story) v Riou (Suikoden II): Light res.
Seymour (Final Fantasy X) v Albedo (Xenosaga Series): I guess...
Souji Seta (Persona 4) v Heat (Digital Devil Saga)

Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) v Tir McDohl (Suikoden Series): Instant Death.
Nailah (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) v Rolf Landale (Phantasy Star II)
Yuri Hyuga (Shadow Hearts Series) v Jenna Angel (Digital Devil Saga): Can he arrange it so he's defending before Bhaira-whatever?
Yuri Lowell (Tales of Vesperia) v Cidolfas Orlandu (Final Fantasy Tactics): Cid is not OHKOing Yuri, that's just silly (remember Assassin). Anywho, equip-changing is a free action, so there.

Heavy

Arngrim (Valkyrie Profile Series) v Marcello (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of Cursed King)
Adelbert Steiner (Final Fantasy IX) v Margulis (Xenosaga: Jenseits von Gut und Bose)
Kary (Final Fantasy) v Lloyd (Legend of Dragoon)
Zerase (Suikoden V) v Vyse (Skies of Arcadia): I think she's faster? Edit: No, she isn't. Vyse goes first, isn't OHKO'd, and splatters her turn 2.

Vanille (Final Fantasy XIII) v Edgar (Final Fantasy VI): 80% Pain chain.
Hect (Grandia III) v Emilia (SaGa Frontier)
Lans Tartare (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) v Harken (Wild ARMs)
Ike (Fire Emblem Series) v Fogel (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen): I think he was better at what amounts to the same game.


Middle

Rauny (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen) v Raine Sage (Tales of Symphonia)
Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis) v Caina (Wild ARMs 2): The timed cards continue to attack after he's statused
Charles Barkley (Barkley's Shut Up and Jam Gaiden: Chapter 1 of the Hoopz Barkley Saga) v Lise (Seiken Densetsu 3)
Gallows Carradine (Wild ARMs 3) v Graham Cray (Suikoden IV)

Hippopressor (Mega Man X: Command Mission) v Lightning (Final Fantasy XIII): Infinite healing is a boon, huh?
Eiko Carol (Final Fantasy IX) v Alma Beolvue (Final Fantasy Tactics): Think she can stay buffed/healed until Alma is out of MP.
Beatrice (Wild ARMs 3) v Tifa Lockhart (Final Fantasy VII): Spoiler'd
Katt (Breath of Fire II) v Axel (Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories): Being fast helps.


Light

Kid (Chrono Cross) v Rafa Galthana (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Rozalin (Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories) v Tony (Wild ARMs XF)
Koroku (Suikoden III) v Akaghi (Suikoden IV)
Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII) v Labyrinthia Wordsworth (Wild ARMs XF)

Judith (Tales of Vesperia) v Arietta (Tales of the Abyss)
Evil Gaia (Grandia) v Mullen (Grandia)
Basculin (Pokémon) v Shabon (Suikoden III)
Rufus Shinra (Final Fantasy VII) v Meena Mahabala (Dragon Quest IV)
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Re: Tourney 2011 Round 1, Week 2
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2011, 03:04:01 PM »
-Godlike-
Pass
Claude C. Kenni (Star Ocean: The Second Story) v Riou (Suikoden II)
Pass
Pass

Pass
Pass
Pass
Pass

-Heavy-
Pass
Pass
Kary (Final Fantasy) v Lloyd (Legend of Dragoon)
Pass

Pass
Pass
Pass
Ike (Fire Emblem Series) v Fogel (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen)


-Middle-
Rauny (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen) v Raine Sage (Tales of Symphonia)
Pass
Pass
Pass

Pass
Eiko Carol (Final Fantasy IX) v Alma Beolvue (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Pass
Pass


-Light-
Pass
Pass
Pass
Pass

Pass
Evil Gaia (Grandia) v Mullen (Grandia)
Pass
Rufus Shinra (Final Fantasy VII) v Meena Mahabala (Dragon Quest IV)

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Re: Tourney 2011 Round 1, Week 2
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2011, 04:49:35 PM »
Vyse 246 (Likely 240 or 243 with the Speed Seed) (+0.72 SD)

Zerase 235  (+0.52)
avg 201, stdev 31

Vyse seems to be faster, so he wins.

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Re: Tourney 2011 Round 1, Week 2
« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2011, 12:19:20 AM »
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Seymour (Final Fantasy X) v Albedo (Xenosaga Series) - Albedo 2

Yuri Lowell (Tales of Vesperia) v Cidolfas Orlandu (Final Fantasy Tactics) - I think. Not thinking too hard though. Psyducky~

Heavy

Arngrim (Valkyrie Profile Series) v Marcello (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of Cursed King)
Adelbert Steiner (Final Fantasy IX) v Margulis (Xenosaga: Jenseits von Gut und Bose)
Kary (Final Fantasy) v Lloyd (Legend of Dragoon)

Vanille (Final Fantasy XIII) v Edgar (Final Fantasy VI) - Convinced the status definitely hits and that she definitely has the speed advantage/goes first yes.

Middle

Gallows Carradine (Wild ARMs 3) v Graham Cray (Suikoden IV)

Eiko Carol (Final Fantasy IX) v Alma Beolvue (Final Fantasy Tactics)
Beatrice (Wild ARMs 3) v Tifa Lockhart (Final Fantasy VII)

Light

Kid (Chrono Cross) v Rafa Galthana (Final Fantasy Tactics) - I can't believe I'm voting for Kid ;_;
Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII) v Labyrinthia Wordsworth (Wild ARMs XF) - I think.

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Rufus Shinra (Final Fantasy VII) v Meena Mahabala (Dragon Quest IV)- Rufus vs healer.
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Re: Tourney 2011 Round 1, Week 2
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2011, 12:46:48 AM »
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Jack Russel (Radiata Stories)- ii v Ted (Suikoden IV)- iiii
Claude C. Kenni (Star Ocean: The Second Story)- xii v Riou (Suikoden II)- i
Seymour (Final Fantasy X)- vi v Albedo (Xenosaga Series)- iiii
Souji Seta (Persona 4)- v v Heat (Digital Devil Saga)- iii

Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) v Tir McDohl (Suikoden Series)- viiii
Nailah (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn) v Rolf Landale (Phantasy Star II)- iiii
Yuri Hyuga (Shadow Hearts Series)- iii v Jenna Angel (Digital Devil Saga)- vii
Yuri Lowell (Tales of Vesperia)- v v Cidolfas Orlandu (Final Fantasy Tactics)- ii

Heavy

Arngrim (Valkyrie Profile Series)- iii v Marcello (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of Cursed King)- viiii
Adelbert Steiner (Final Fantasy IX)- x v Margulis (Xenosaga: Jenseits von Gut und Bose)- ii
Kary (Final Fantasy)- iiii v Lloyd (Legend of Dragoon)- x
Zerase (Suikoden V)- vi v Vyse (Skies of Arcadia)- ii

Vanille (Final Fantasy XIII)- iii v Edgar (Final Fantasy VI)- v
Hect (Grandia III)- viiii v Emilia (SaGa Frontier)- i
Lans Tartare (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)- iii v Harken (Wild ARMs)- iiii
Ike (Fire Emblem Series)- iii v Fogel (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen)- viii


Middle

Rauny (Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen)- i v Raine Sage (Tales of Symphonia)- vii
Flay Gunnar (Mana Khemia: Alchemists of Al-Revis)- v v Caina (Wild ARMs 2)- v
Charles Barkley (Barkley's Shut Up and Jam Gaiden: Chapter 1 of the Hoopz Barkley Saga) v Lise (Seiken Densetsu 3)- iiii
Gallows Carradine (Wild ARMs 3)- iiii v Graham Cray (Suikoden IV)- vii

Hippopressor (Mega Man X: Command Mission)- i v Lightning (Final Fantasy XIII)- v
Eiko Carol (Final Fantasy IX)- x v Alma Beolvue (Final Fantasy Tactics)- iiii
Beatrice (Wild ARMs 3)- i v Tifa Lockhart (Final Fantasy VII)- xi
Katt (Breath of Fire II)- vi v Axel (Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories)- i


Light

Kid (Chrono Cross)- xi v Rafa Galthana (Final Fantasy Tactics)- i
Rozalin (Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories)- vi v Tony (Wild ARMs XF)- i
Koroku (Suikoden III)- i v Akaghi (Suikoden IV)- viiii
Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII)- iii v Labyrinthia Wordsworth (Wild ARMs XF)- viii

Judith (Tales of Vesperia)- v v Arietta (Tales of the Abyss)- ii
Evil Gaia (Grandia)- ii v Mullen (Grandia)- xi
Basculin (Pokémon)- i v Shabon (Suikoden III)- i
Rufus Shinra (Final Fantasy VII)- iii v Meena Mahabala (Dragon Quest IV)- x
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