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Proving Grounds Week 2 Heavy- FF13, Cthulhu, and staff beats!
« on: February 04, 2012, 05:54:10 AM »
In: Fang, Vanille
Out: Snow

New this week: Our fighters are up against former Heavy champions. Should make for a tough contest. (And yes, this is a ton of voting. Do one character at a time, no rush.)

Cthulhu: It's the goddamn great old one, he is going to get a shot in PG.
Nina4: High drawing, middle of the road heavy. Works as a control for the field.

Fang vs Tidus (FFX)
Fang vs Raquel (WA4)
Fang vs Zeal (CT)
Fang vs Roufas (Saga)
Fang vs Rika (PS4)
Fang vs Scias (BoF4)
Fang vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Fang vs Rubicant (FF4)
Fang vs Elc (AtLC)
Fang vs Lyon (S5)
Fang vs Altima (FFT)
Fang vs Zog (BoF1)

Vanille vs Tidus (FFX)
Vanille vs Raquel (WA4)
Vanille vs Zeal (CT)
Vanille vs Roufas (Saga)
Vanille vs Rika (PS4)
Vanille vs Scias (BoF4)
Vanille vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Vanille vs Rubicant (FF4)
Vanille vs Elc (AtLC)
Vanille vs Lyon (S5)
Vanille vs Altima (FFT)
Vanille vs Zog (BoF1)

Cthulhu vs Tidus (FFX)
Cthulhu vs Raquel (WA4)
Cthulhu vs Zeal (CT)
Cthulhu vs Roufas (Saga)
Cthulhu vs Rika (PS4)
Cthulhu vs Scias (BoF4)
Cthulhu vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Cthulhu vs Rubicant (FF4)
Cthulhu vs Elc (AtLC)
Cthulhu vs Lyon (S5)
Cthulhu vs Altima (FFT)
Cthulhu vs Zog (BoF1)

Nina4 vs Tidus (FFX)
Nina4 vs Raquel (WA4)
Nina4 vs Zeal (CT)
Nina4 vs Roufas (Saga)
Nina4 vs Rika (PS4)
Nina4 vs Scias (BoF4)
Nina4 vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Nina4 vs Rubicant (FF4)
Nina4 vs Elc (AtLC)
Nina4 vs Lyon (S5)
Nina4 vs Altima (FFT)
Nina4 vs Zog (BoF1)
« Last Edit: February 05, 2012, 04:19:57 AM by superaielman »
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Re: Pround Grounds Week 2 Heavy- FF13, Cthulhu, and staff beats!
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2012, 06:23:00 AM »
Fang vs Tidus (FFX): Status him and win that way?
Fang vs Raquel (WA4): Status and magic? Har. Slowed Raquel.
Fang vs Zeal (CT): This'll probably take a while but I think she can do it?
Fang vs Roufas (Saga): Status
Fang vs Rika (PS4)
Fang vs Scias (BoF4): Statuses first.
Fang vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Fang vs Rubicant (FF4)
Fang vs Elc (AtLC):
Fang vs Lyon (S5): Status res?
Fang vs Altima (FFT)
Fang vs Zog (BoF1)

Vanille vs Tidus (FFX): Debilitating status. I think.
Vanille vs Raquel (WA4)
Vanille vs Zeal (CT)
Vanille vs Roufas (Saga): Status?
Vanille vs Rika (PS4)
Vanille vs Scias (BoF4): Statuses first
Vanille vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC): Stoned
Vanille vs Rubicant (FF4): Fry
Vanille vs Elc (AtLC): Charge
Vanille vs Lyon (S5): Status res.
Vanille vs Altima (FFT)
Vanille vs Zog (BoF1): This will take a while.

Cthulhu vs Tidus (FFX): Sonic Steel Haste/Slow don't get OHKO'd?
Cthulhu vs Raquel (WA4): 2HKO's and has the tools to stop him from killing her. I think.
Cthulhu vs Zeal (CT): HP/MP ->0
Cthulhu vs Roufas (Saga)
Cthulhu vs Rika (PS4)
Cthulhu vs Scias (BoF4): Status.
Cthulhu vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC): Status.
Cthulhu vs Rubicant (FF4): Fried again.
Cthulhu vs Elc (AtLC): MP buster.
Cthulhu vs Lyon (S5): Setting Sun.
Cthulhu vs Altima (FFT)
Cthulhu vs Zog (BoF1): Takes a little while but sure.

Nina4 vs Tidus (FFX): QH drowning. BA finish.
Nina4 vs Raquel (WA4): OHKO? I dunno.
Nina4 vs Zeal (CT): HP/MP -> 0 strikes again.
Nina4 vs Roufas (Saga)
Nina4 vs Rika (PS4): Uh. I think.
Nina4 vs Scias (BoF4): Too much damage.
Nina4 vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Nina4 vs Rubicant (FF4): I'll check but I'm assuming she can get around fire damage.
Nina4 vs Elc (AtLC): Mind Buster or Charge.
Nina4 vs Lyon (S5)
Nina4 vs Altima (FFT): I'm not sure but I think she could do some mean damage with her physical?
Nina4 vs Zog (BoF1): This is amusing.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2012, 06:53:36 AM by Pyro »

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Re: Pround Grounds Week 2 Heavy- FF13, Cthulhu, and staff beats!
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2012, 07:07:10 AM »
Fang vs Tidus (FFX)
Fang vs Raquel (WA4)
Fang vs Zeal (CT)- Yeah, Hallation is probably too much.
Fang vs Roufas (Saga)
Fang vs Rika (PS4)
Fang vs Scias (BoF4)- EDIT: Can't get Focus and the status defense at the same time.
Fang vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Fang vs Rubicant (FF4)
Fang vs Elc (AtLC)
Fang vs Lyon (S5)
Fang vs Altima (FFT)
Fang vs Zog (BoF1)

Vanille vs Tidus (FFX)- Status.
Vanille vs Raquel (WA4)
Vanille vs Zeal (CT)- Doesn't care about HP buster.
Vanille vs Roufas (Saga)- I don't think he can entirely prevent Vanille from getting a turn. EDIT: Roufas is above average speed and apparently her debuffing weapon doesn't improve pain/fog. That tips it.
Vanille vs Rika (PS4)- resist ID, status out.
Vanille vs Scias (BoF4)- Yeah, faster status.
Vanille vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)- Status won't work here, and Vanille can outheal her damage.
Vanille vs Rubicant (FF4)- Misses that OHKO.
Vanille vs Elc (AtLC)- Charge.
Vanille vs Lyon (S5)
Vanille vs Altima (FFT)- Form 1 can be statued. Form 2... *twitch*
Vanille vs Zog (BoF1)- Slowly and painfully outlasts.


Nina4 vs Tidus (FFX)- ITD. Even Tidus MDef won't save the day for Nina.
Nina4 vsRaquel (WA4)
Nina4 vs Zeal (CT)-Kneejerk.
Nina4 vs Roufas (Saga)- Abstain for now. Leaning Roufas though. EDIT: Think he can OHKO with Bound Shot.
Nina4 vsRika (PS4)- EDIT: Shift, Saner, heal lock. Don't think nina can do anything about it.
Nina4 vs Scias (BoF4)- Eventual OHKO
Nina4 vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Nina4 vs Rubicant (FF4)- Too much firepower, I think. Rubicant's physical may 2HKO her which gives her all kinds of problems.
Nina4 vs Elc (AtLC)
Nina4 vs Lyon (S5)- I don't think Lyon can get a fatal crit in time.
Nina4 vs Altima (FFT)- Mute or Grand Cross.
Nina4 vs Zog (BoF1)

Vanille: 6-6
Fang: 5-7
Nina4: 3-8
« Last Edit: February 11, 2012, 11:29:26 PM by superaielman »
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Re: Pround Grounds Week 2 Heavy- FF13, Cthulhu, and staff beats!
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2012, 08:01:07 AM »
Cthulhu vs Tidus (FFX) - Think I have a good enough read on FFX at this point to be fairly confident about this, at any rate.  Letting Insane Death check on the victim's turns might change this but I don't think I do.
Cthulhu vs Zeal (CT) - Can probably control his damage well enough to get to the point where he can insane Dark Strike past Hallation/MP Buster range
Cthulhu vs Roufas (Saga) - good question, depends on how well the evade can trip Cthulhu up
Cthulhu vs Rika (PS4) - Elim
Cthulhu vs Scias (BoF4) - assuming sleep is good enough for this
Cthulhu vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC) - petrify
Cthulhu vs Rubicant (FF4)- fweem
Cthulhu vs Elc (AtLC) - Invincible, Divide.
Cthulhu vs Altima (FFT) - Think the formchain/Grand Cross/Mute is just too much here.
1 - 7, Cthulhu's more of a straight-up smash kind of dueler, a pool full of tricksy people doesn't play to his strengths.

Nina4 vs Tidus (FFX) - thinking the speedgame is too much.
Nina4 vs Zeal (CT) - Nina4 blocks MP damage but I'm not sure if she can outslug.
Nina4 vs Roufas (Saga)
Nina4 vs Rika (PS4) - Nina blocks death but Rika can probably outslug anyways.
Nina4 vs Scias (BoF4) - Smitesmitesmite
Nina4 vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC) - BoF4 doesn't get petrification, apparently
Nina4 vs Rubicant (FF4) - oh man nina could scrounge up fire res couldn't she does this end up mattering
Nina4 vs Elc (AtLC) - MP busting is out but I can probably buy a charge to OHKO.
Nina4 vs Altima (FFT) - Nina damage plot gives stone time to kick in

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Re: Pround Grounds Week 2 Heavy- FF13, Cthulhu, and staff beats!
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2012, 12:17:53 PM »
Nina4 can't lose to Zeal, more or less. She just outheals the woman (oh wow someone with 4HKO -magical- damage slower than Nina she's soooooooo scared) and spoils all her tricks.
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Re: Pround Grounds Week 2 Heavy- FF13, Cthulhu, and staff beats!
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2012, 05:03:44 PM »
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Hexagon Mist: 380, MT, Water, physical.

that would kind of be the problem considering the hit she needs to take to defense to get that MP busting resistance

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Re: Pround Grounds Week 2 Heavy- FF13, Cthulhu, and staff beats!
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2012, 06:11:39 PM »
It was -actually- physical? I always thought it was magical.
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Re: Pround Grounds Week 2 Heavy- FF13, Cthulhu, and staff beats!
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2012, 03:46:53 AM »
Tentatively I think I ignore enemy power going up for the first three rounds, then have it go up by 10% per round as normal.  Or, more specifically, CSTW characters take 10% more damage each of their turns (so no Tidus triple turn hype or CSTW being a liability in a team match).  Kind of a hack to wait 3 rounds, but at least punishes super-stally strategies.  I doubt it will matter much.

Cthulhu vs Tidus (FFX) - I'd be willing to argue that some of Cthulhu's moves might break Tidus's Evade & Counter because vaguely similar stuff is ITE in FFX, so Tentacles hype?!  But generally think Magethulu is too incompetent to handle this in time.
Cthulhu vs Raquel (WA4) - No 2HKO, Cthulhu is hitting the wrong defense.
Cthulhu vs Zeal (CT) - Wasn't Zeal's MP-0 only a counter if you hit the hands?  It might not matter anyway, Insane Dark Strike easily chips around the limit since it's like 1.2x PCHP.
Cthulhu vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Cthulhu vs Rubicant (FF4) - Cthuluhu might survive and Drain Strike back to full HP, barely, but don't think he kills if even the slightest enemy power up over time is granted.
Cthulhu vs Lyon (S5)
Cthulhu vs Altima (FFT)
Cthulhu vs Zog (BoF1) - Actually a match where boss damage going up over time might matter, except that as long as Zog doesn't have a OHKO, the Drain game continues.  And Big C can open with his best damage to make this go faster.

Fang vs Tidus (FFX)
Fang vs Raquel (WA4)
Fang vs Zeal (CT) - Zeal1 can freely use Hallation, but dies horribly.  Zeal2 only uses Hallation as a limit?  Anyway debuffs -> smash is still pretty good here, Fang has time until Hallation strikes.
Fang vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Fang vs Rubicant (FF4)
Fang vs Lyon (S5) - Flip a coin.
Fang vs Altima (FFT) - Grand Cross has some trash statuses in there IIRC, think she can take one.
Fang vs Zog (BoF1)

Vanille vs Tidus (FFX)
Vanille vs Raquel (WA4)
Vanille vs Zeal (CT)
Vanille vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Vanille vs Rubicant (FF4)
Vanille vs Lyon (S5) - Flip a coin.
Vanille vs Altima (FFT) - See Fang, plus has Esuna.
Vanille vs Zog (BoF1)

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Re: Proving Grounds Week 2 Heavy- FF13, Cthulhu, and staff beats!
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2012, 05:29:03 AM »
Fang vs Tidus (FFX): Tidus comes very close to blitzing Fang out, but not quite... before considering Sentinel, never mind. He can immune Pain, but then he gets smacked with Deprtoect+Daze and blitzed horribly.
Fang vs Raquel (WA4): Pain.
Fang vs Zeal (CT): Faster, 3HKOs even taking one turn against Sentinel, and can beat out Mediguard stall. Unless you see Fang two-rounding (ridiculous), Zeal has this.
Fang vs Roufas (Saga): Roufas goes first but he doesn't do much meaningful and so the status parade begins.
Fang vs Rika (PS4): Rika can resist a bunch of what Fang does, but notably not the debuffs or Pain. If Pain doesn't stop Elim, Rika wins easily. If not, and Pain can be reapplied, Fang should win easily. If not... the match becomes a headache involving Rika stalling until her next turn which she probably gets. Pretty sure the assumptions that give Fang victory are correct, though.
Fang vs Scias (BoF4): She can tough through two Shiningblades as a Sentinel, which is the most Scias I'm going to credit Confuse as giving him. After that, Daze/Deprotect/death.
Fang vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC): Stone.
Fang vs Rubicant (FF4): Tough call if she survives a Scorch or not, but she needs more than that to win.
Fang vs Lyon (S5): I'm not sure here, but this feels right. She can resist Daze and Fog which are a really important pair to get.
Fang vs Altima (FFT)
Fang vs Zog (BoF1): Yeah, way too much HP.

Vanille vs Tidus (FFX): Vanille lacks Daze, so yeah, nothing she can do to stop a second Tidus turn. He opens with Slow/Haste and then destruction comes.
Vanille vs Raquel (WA4): Pain.
Vanille vs Zeal (CT): Yeah, not Zeal's type of fight really.
Vanille vs Roufas (Saga): Vanille lacks Daze, Roufas can heal Pain (or just immune it), and he opens with a 2HKO which means Fog (to stop the physical 2HKO) and healing aren't options.
Vanille vs Rika (PS4): No Daze, no Improved Pain hit rate... yeah, not inclined to buy a victory here.
Vanille vs Scias (BoF4): Shiningblade x2 kills here, with that status.
Vanille vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC): Haha, weird. Esuna/Curasa to the rescue!
Vanille vs Rubicant (FF4): Scorch.
Vanille vs Lyon (S5): I... think.
Vanille vs Altima (FFT)
Vanille vs Zog (BoF1): Um yeah, he outpaces her healing pretty badly.

Cthulhu vs Tidus (FFX): Two turns of Tidus blitzing rarely end well, even with Cthulhu's defence.
Cthulhu vs Raquel (WA4): Cthulhu's very fast here, which helps. He can mostly alternate healing and attacking, but... probably not close the deal, as soon as Raquel gets intrude it's over. And if he uses evadable attacks (which is basically everything he has) that happens too quickly.
Cthulhu vs Zeal (CT): Cthulhu physical tankiness helps a lot, he should be able to afford Insane Strike -> draining to a nasty finisher.
Cthulhu vs Roufas (Saga): Make Roufas insane, can tank two of his attacks anyway, though OHKOs, so Roufas is relying on evade to even get those two attacks, which is only 49% at best.
Cthulhu vs Rika (PS4): Elim.
Cthulhu vs Scias (BoF4): Cthulhu is faster, so a lock with status is impossible. Insanity comes first, then the OHKO, and Cthulhu can tank two Shiningblades if needed. Although Scias is only likely to get one anyway.
Cthulhu vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC): Stone.
Cthulhu vs Rubicant (FF4): Scorch.
Cthulhu vs Lyon (S5): Hm, Cthulhu is faster and just reduces Setting Sun to turn 2. He can also just tank a Vermillion Sky while insane. Close one, but yeah.
Cthulhu vs Altima (FFT): Grand Cross claims another victim.
Cthulhu vs Zog (BoF1): Hm, adopting Snowfire's interp here (only fight it matters in!), Zog OHKOs once he has 1.5x damage, which happens after Cthulhu's eighth action. Cthulhu has like a constant 3-2, so he should get nine turns while Zog gets five. He needs to use four of those draining, can use the other five on attacking, with the last two being Insane Strike + Dark Strike. He can do like 3.6 PCHP with this total. Unfortunately that's physical and Zog is like 5PCHP. Even if he can do more with a combo (doubt it, too much one-hit stuff in there), he loses.

Nina4 vs Tidus (FFX): Yeah, Nina takes a long time to win fights. That doesn't work against Tidus.
Nina4 vs Raquel (WA4): Nina4 instant doubles and four Typhoons take out Raquel without triggering Red Zone? Whoa. Wait... she can drop her magic defence and... nah, doubt that works, Nina has weaker spells and Inspire to mess with such strategies. It's possible, but inclined to think not.
Nina4 vs Zeal (CT): Probably has a 2HKO with Hexagon Mist, and they're too similar in speed. Definitely has a 2HKO after Nina equips to block MP draining.
Nina4 vs Roufas (Saga): OHKO with Awakening BoundShot crit. Nina doesn't like ranged physicals much.
Nina4 vs Rika (PS4): After Saner and Shift, she just puts way more pressure on, Inspire can't really rival this.
Nina4 vs Scias (BoF4): Scias does what here, exactly? Nina doesn't trigger Rakshasa or whatever that stupid hype is.
Nina4 vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC): Nina gets OHKOed if she opts for full status immunity. She can statusheal herself, but she barely has the MP to win with Rejuvenate and Typhoon.
Nina4 vs Rubicant (FF4): Scorch. Nina may be able to tank it but then she hates the physicals and yeah, I just don't think she can manage as a kneejerk.
Nina4 vs Lyon (S5): Evade and doubleturns give her the fight.
Nina4 vs Altima (FFT): Neither Mute nor Grand Cross work, so we're down to hyping Altima physicals? Yeah, unlike Xenobia, Nina should have the resources for this. Unless I see stone/frog working, which I probably do these days.
Nina4 vs Zog: Nina has a bit better than a 5-3, so that means three heals, two Typhoons, repeat a lot. This can repeat five times, but with two more Typhoons in there. Total is... 4.4 PCHP against Zog MDef. Not good enough, but closer than Cthulhu!

Fang 5-6
Vanille 3-8
Cthulhu 4-7
Nina4 3-8

Tougher pool this time!
« Last Edit: February 11, 2012, 11:14:39 PM by Dark Holy Elf »

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Re: Proving Grounds Week 2 Heavy- FF13, Cthulhu, and staff beats!
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2012, 04:00:00 AM »
Fang vs Tidus (FFX)
Fang vs Raquel (WA4)
Fang vs Zeal (CT)
Fang vs Roufas (Saga)
Fang vs Rika (PS4)
Fang vs Scias (BoF4)
Fang vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Fang vs Rubicant (FF4)
Fang vs Lyon (S5)
Fang vs Altima (FFT)
Fang vs Zog (BoF1)

5-6

Vanille vs Tidus (FFX)- I'm not seeing what Tidus does about Pain.
Vanille vs Raquel (WA4)
Vanille vs Zeal (CT)
Vanille vs Roufas (Saga)
Vanille vs Rika (PS4)
Vanille vs Scias (BoF4)
Vanille vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Vanille vs Rubicant (FF4)
Vanille vs Lyon (S5)
Vanille vs Altima (FFT)
Vanille vs Zog (BoF1)

2-9

Cthulhu vs Tidus (FFX)- Cthulhu'd need to be able to go full mage here, and I'm not inclined to take this cast that way.
Cthulhu vs Raquel (WA4)
Cthulhu vs Zeal (CT)
Cthulhu vs Roufas (Saga)
Cthulhu vs Rika (PS4)
Cthulhu vs Scias (BoF4)
Cthulhu vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Cthulhu vs Rubicant (FF4)
Cthulhu vs Lyon (S5)
Cthulhu vs Altima (FFT)
Cthulhu vs Zog (BoF1)

4-7

Nina4 vs Tidus (FFX)
Nina4 vs Raquel (WA4)
Nina4 vs Zeal (CT)
Nina4 vs Roufas (Saga)
Nina4 vs Rika (PS4)
Nina4 vs Scias (BoF4)
Nina4 vs Xenobia (Lunar:SSSC)
Nina4 vs Rubicant (FF4)
Nina4 vs Lyon (S5)
Nina4 vs Altima (FFT)
Nina4 vs Zog (BoF1)

4-7
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