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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2012, 01:56:22 AM »
FUN FACT: I was about to vote Labby myself, then I realized the "190" damage tag on Ice Lance. I love Mia vs. Light mages.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2012, 03:09:21 AM »
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I thought Jenova BIRTH's Stop was more like 90%, rendering damage problems moot.  Hmm.  Makes the fight more interesting but even if we assume 60% Stop, that's still kinda rough for Wakka, since Stop can just be reapplied, right?

FF7 BMG explicity says 60%, which fits my memory well enough (I recall Meeple calling it very accurate but Tonfa calling it terrible, so the range of experience suggests 60% is possible!). No idea if Stop can be reapplied or if it auto-misses against an already statused target, but since it can only be used three times (and one of those three will miss) I don't think it overly matters. And yeah I forgot about Osmose, which can only make things worse, though scaling arguments will vary there.

Re Mia... oh wow, I completely missed Ice Wall's existance. For some reason I was thinking Ice Lance was her best. Yeah, in that case, Mia equips the Wind Cane after all, and Ice Wall still breaks the distortion, so she wins. Edits away!

Do note that the stat topic figures for Mia assume the Dragon Cane already, though, so 190 is in fact her absolute peak damage for ice. Not that it matters.


EDIT: Oh, huh, I didn't think Retinite's defences started at maximum, but this must be me misremembering since Fenrir explicitly notes otherwise. Okay, my bad there, he does indeed spoil physicals pretty nicely in Godlike then.

Regarding Tail Spin, while it is not "magic" plotwise, it is magic in every sense gameplaywise, and does hit Spekkio, the same way Laser Spin does, along with hitting MDef. Chrono Trigger has exactly one other non-elemental PC attack spell, Poyozo Dance, which also works fine. Retinite simply resists all elements, he does not have MDef, so hyping him as doing anything but dying to NE magic makes little sense to me. We have no problem saying the same thing happens to Magus, and Magus can't even face non-elemental magic in-game.

"Shadow" doesn't feel non-elemental at all... it's probably the most resisted element in the game. It is sort of catch-all for including lasers I guess (as well as Antipode spells), but it's certainly not non-elemental. In addition to the PC non-elemental spells, Lavos has several, such as Doors of Doom, Shadow Doom Blaze (neither shadow nor blaze), Obstacle, and Dreamless. A few other enemies have non-elemental magic too, though it's not terribly common.

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2012, 04:46:14 AM »
Retinite can run from you!  I forget if you can run from it.  But it would definitely explain the discrepancy here.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2012, 05:14:54 PM »
You can't. I've game-overed to Retinite by bumping into it sorely underlevelled. The results were oddly entertaining, if gruesome.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2012, 05:27:40 PM »
Godlike
Mewtwo (Pokémon Series)
vs Retinite (Chrono Trigger)
Charlton Blunt (Wild ARMs XF) vs Lulu (Final Fantasy X)
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy VI) vs Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)

Heavy

Cristo (Dragon Quest IV) vs Galcian (Skies of Arcadia)
Jenova (Final Fantasy VII) vs Wakka (Final Fantasy X)
Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) vs Legretta (Tales of the Abyss)
Delita Hyral (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Nel Zelpher (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time)
Middle

Dekar (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals)
vs Lilianne Valendorf (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy)
Ashton Anchors (Star Ocean: The Second Story) vs Poco (Arc the Lad II)
Nina (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter) vs Aigis (Persona 3)

Light

Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII) vs Sazh Katzroy (Final Fantasy XIII)
Kahn (Breath of Fire IV) vs Edward (Final Fantasy IV)
Piccolo (Suikoden III) vs Nina (Suikoden II)
Labyrinthia Wordsworth (Wild ARMs XF) vs Mia Ausa (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete)

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2012, 06:07:35 AM »
Godlike
Mewtwo (Pokémon Series) vs Retinite (Chrono Trigger)
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy VI) vs Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)

Heavy
Cristo (Dragon Quest IV) vs Galcian (Skies of Arcadia)
Jenova (Final Fantasy VII) vs Wakka (Final Fantasy X)
Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) vs Legretta (Tales of the Abyss)
Delita Hyral (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Nel Zelpher (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time)

Middle
Nina (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter) vs Aigis (Persona 3)

Light
Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII) vs Sazh Katzroy (Final Fantasy XIII)
Kahn (Breath of Fire IV) vs Edward (Final Fantasy IV)
Piccolo (Suikoden III) vs Nina (Suikoden II)

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2012, 05:41:19 PM »
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Nate Nanjo (Persona) vs Ashera (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)- I wonder if I should actually vote on Nate's sucky form but eh.
Mewtwo (Pokémon Series) vs Retinite (Chrono Trigger)
Charlton Blunt (Wild ARMs XF) vs Lulu (Final Fantasy X)
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy VI) vs Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)

Heavy

Cristo (Dragon Quest IV) vs Galcian (Skies of Arcadia)
Jenova (Final Fantasy VII) vs Wakka (Final Fantasy X)
Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) vs Legretta (Tales of the Abyss)- Well if there's one thing Geno has it's damage control.
Delita Hyral (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Nel Zelpher (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time)

Middle

Dekar (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals) vs Lilianne Valendorf (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy)
Ashton Anchors (Star Ocean: The Second Story) vs Poco (Arc the Lad II)- No vote
Eruca (Radiant Historia) vs Hope Estheim (Final Fantasy XIII)
Nina (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter) vs Aigis (Persona 3)

Light

Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII) vs Sazh Katzroy (Final Fantasy XIII)- mmm.  Yeah, he should be whittling away fast enough to have net damage through limits.
Kahn (Breath of Fire IV) vs Edward (Final Fantasy IV)
Piccolo (Suikoden III) vs Nina (Suikoden II)
Labyrinthia Wordsworth (Wild ARMs XF) vs Mia Ausa (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete)
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2012, 05:28:19 AM »
Godlike

Mewtwo (Pokémon Series) vs Retinite (Chrono Trigger)

Heavy

Jenova (Final Fantasy VII) vs Wakka (Final Fantasy X)

Light

Kahn (Breath of Fire IV) vs Edward (Final Fantasy IV)

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2012, 06:13:31 AM »
Heavy

Cristo (Dragon Quest IV) vs Galcian (Skies of Arcadia)
Jenova (Final Fantasy VII) vs Wakka (Final Fantasy X)

Middle

Nina (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter) vs Aigis (Persona 3)

Light

Kahn (Breath of Fire IV) vs Edward (Final Fantasy IV)

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2012, 05:32:18 PM »
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Nate Nanjo (Persona) vs Ashera (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn): Ashera has good physical stuff, which gets through Nate's everything.
Mewtwo (Pokémon Series) vs Retinite (Chrono Trigger): Yep, I see Psychic as "non-elemental" by CT standards. 
Charlton Blunt (Wild ARMs XF) vs Lulu (Final Fantasy X): Yep.
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy VI) vs Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters): Break.

Heavy

Cristo (Dragon Quest IV) vs Galcian (Skies of Arcadia): Eternum.  I'd whine about it but whatever.
Jenova (Final Fantasy VII) vs Wakka (Final Fantasy X):  While Life might have a shot, doesn't she have like really bad durability, and Wakka can use Drain to prolong his own durability a bit?
Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) vs Legretta (Tales of the Abyss): Geno has damage manipulation so...
Delita Hyral (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Nel Zelpher (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time): Kneejerk.

Middle

Dekar (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals) vs Lilianne Valendorf (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy): Can't vote.
Ashton Anchors (Star Ocean: The Second Story) vs Poco (Arc the Lad II): I...think?
Eruca (Radiant Historia) vs Hope Estheim (Final Fantasy XIII): Can't vote.
Nina (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter) vs Aigis (Persona 3): Can't vote.

Light

Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII) vs Sazh Katzroy (Final Fantasy XIII): Sazh should have no problems outslugging Aeris, really.
Kahn (Breath of Fire IV) vs Edward (Final Fantasy IV): If Edward's HP wasn't Naratastic, he might have a shot based on his FF4a form, but...
Piccolo (Suikoden III) vs Nina (Suikoden II): Yep.
Labyrinthia Wordsworth (Wild ARMs XF) vs Mia Ausa (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete): Wind Cane or something.
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2012, 01:53:36 AM »
Godlike

Nate Nanjo (Persona) vs Ashera (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)
Mewtwo (Pokémon Series) vs Retinite (Chrono Trigger)
Charlton Blunt (Wild ARMs XF) vs Lulu (Final Fantasy X)
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy VI) vs Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)

Heavy

Cristo (Dragon Quest IV) vs Galcian (Skies of Arcadia)
Jenova (Final Fantasy VII) vs Wakka (Final Fantasy X)
Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) vs Legretta (Tales of the Abyss)
Delita Hyral (Final Fantasy Tactics) vs Nel Zelpher (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time)

Middle

Dekar (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals) vs Lilianne Valendorf (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy)
Ashton Anchors (Star Ocean: The Second Story) vs Poco (Arc the Lad II)
Eruca (Radiant Historia) vs Hope Estheim (Final Fantasy XIII)
Nina (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter) vs Aigis (Persona 3)

Light

Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII) vs Sazh Katzroy (Final Fantasy XIII)
Kahn (Breath of Fire IV) vs Edward (Final Fantasy IV)
Piccolo (Suikoden III) vs Nina (Suikoden II)
Labyrinthia Wordsworth (Wild ARMs XF) vs Mia Ausa (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete)

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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2012, 02:37:25 AM »
Results

Godlike

Nate Nanjo (Persona)- iiiii vs Ashera (Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn)- iiiiii
Mewtwo (Pokémon Series)- iiiiiiiiiiiiii vs Retinite (Chrono Trigger)- iii
Charlton Blunt (Wild ARMs XF)- iiiiiiiii vs Lulu (Final Fantasy X)- ii
Terra Branford (Final Fantasy VI)- iiiiii vs Layna (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)- iiiii

Heavy

Cristo (Dragon Quest IV)- i vs Galcian (Skies of Arcadia)- iiiiiiiiiiiii
Jenova (Final Fantasy VII)- iiiiiii vs Wakka (Final Fantasy X)- iiiiiiiiiii
Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)- iiii vs Legretta (Tales of the Abyss)- iiiiiiiiii
Delita Hyral (Final Fantasy Tactics)- i vs Nel Zelpher (Star Ocean: Till the End of Time)- iiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Middle

Dekar (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals)- iiiiiiiii vs Lilianne Valendorf (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy)- i
Ashton Anchors (Star Ocean: The Second Story)- iiiiiiiii vs Poco (Arc the Lad II)- ii
Eruca (Radiant Historia) vs Hope Estheim (Final Fantasy XIII)- iiiiiiiii
Nina (Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter)- iiiiiiii vs Aigis (Persona 3)- ii

Light

Aeris Gainsborough (Final Fantasy VII) vs Sazh Katzroy (Final Fantasy XIII)- iiiiiiiiiiiiii
Kahn (Breath of Fire IV)- iiiiiiiiiiiiii vs Edward (Final Fantasy IV)- iii
Piccolo (Suikoden III)- iiiiiiiiiiiii vs Nina (Suikoden II)- i
Labyrinthia Wordsworth (Wild ARMs XF)- i vs Mia Ausa (Lunar: Silver Star Story Complete)- iiiiiiiiiii
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Re: RPGDL 2012 Season 1, Week 1: Revenge of the Aielbot
« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2012, 04:34:08 AM »
Hey, twenty votes. Cool.

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