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Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« on: March 03, 2013, 07:43:17 PM »
Godlike

Nadesico (Super Robot Wars J)  vs Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI)
Haken Browning (Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier) vs Asellus (SaGa Frontier)
Elc (Arc the Lad II) vs Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King)
Dark King (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest) vs Evrae (Final Fantasy X)

Heavy

Basilio (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Lilka Eleniak (Wild ARMs 2)
Kain Highwind (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs Super Soldier (Wild ARMs 4)
Thage (Eternal Poison) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)
Aurica Nestmile (Ar tonelico: Melody of Elemia) v Eruca (Radiant Historia)

Middle

Kloe (Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Lexis (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals)
Dubhe (Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2) vs Bowser (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
Ursula Leiden (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs El Jackson (Wild ARMs XF)
Ulrika Mulberry (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) v  Danette (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)

Light

Maribelle (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Maria Balthasar (Xenogears)
Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) vs Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3)
Randolph (Lufia: The Legend Returns) vs Badrach (Valkyrie Profile)
Tin Man (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) v  Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)

Bonus: Tourney of Random CK's Finals

Event #14: Being Charlie Brown

The final and most challenging event awaits our most successful contestants.  To be Charlie Brown is to be life's chew toy.  To not only lose, and lose consistently, but to make clear it is the natural order of things.  Not only did you not succeed, but you were never going to succeed.

Sinistral of Death, Erim has often lost, but always by her own design, which is not the same thing.  David Xanatos made himself the greatest of men by his own design, and every loss is also a win.  Neither contestant is suited to this event, but that's the point, no?

Event #14: Being Charlie Brown- David Xanatos (Gargoyles) vs Erim (Lufia Series)
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2013, 08:18:49 PM »
Godlike

Elc (Arc the Lad II) vs Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King)

Heavy

Kain Highwind (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs Super Soldier (Wild ARMs 4)- I remember absolutely nothing about Super Soldier, other than a vague memory of fighting him. Abstain for the moment.

Middle

Ursula Leiden (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs El Jackson (Wild ARMs XF)- See Super Soldier, but with a strong impression of roadkill instead.



Bonus: Tourney of Random CK's Finals

Event #14: Being Charlie Brown

The final and most challenging event awaits our most successful contestants.  To be Charlie Brown is to be life's chew toy.  To not only lose, and lose consistently, but to make clear it is the natural order of things.  Not only did you not succeed, but you were never going to succeed.

Sinistral of Death, Erim has often lost, but always by her own design, which is not the same thing.  David Xanatos made himself the greatest of men by his own design, and every loss is also a win.  Neither contestant is suited to this event, but that's the point, no?

Event #14: Being Charlie Brown- David Xanatos (Gargoyles) vs Erim (Lufia Series)- For all that Xanatos is one of the most competent humans I've run across in a medium, he is still human. Erim is the Goddess of Death; it is not going to be easy to convince anyone  that it is natural for her lose. Though her incredibly inept performance as an L2 boss makes me question that...
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2013, 08:23:30 PM »
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Nadesico (Super Robot Wars J)  vs Celes Chere (Final Fantasy VI) - Nowadays, I allow initiative spirits! SO, I was about to vote Celes anyway because lulz Vanish. HOWEVER, HOWEVER, Ruri has SCAN. She casts it if Celes tries to Vanish and lolololololol eat 100k SRWJ damage woman. Scan is the bestest.
Haken Browning (Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier) vs Asellus (SaGa Frontier) - Huh. Asellus has problems breaking past Haken's Alert and his healing. HOWEVER, he -also- has issues breaking past her evade unless he goes for Rampage Spectre, which... wait, why wouldn't he use Rampage Spectre? Yeah, that's pretty easy. DeadEnd isn't very useful against Alert either, and I think Haken has the resources for RG x3 and healing/Alert anyway.
Elc (Arc the Lad II) vs Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King) - Elc is faster first turn and doesn't get OHKOed by Magic Burst, but he may have issues -anyway- given Bounce. Of all things, CADUCEUS or HUSTLE DANCE may give him issues, but Caduceus sucks the offensive oomph right out of Jessica. So um yeah, this match is tricky and annoying as -hell-. It's Celes vs. Jessica all over again. EDIT: voting Elc out of kneejerk. Jessica really needed stronger status options to actually handle Elc properly, and his offense blows past Bounce -and- outpaces Hustle Dance anyway. Suspect a Charge string in the middle of Jessica's buffing game works out even with the speed split especially when Elc can Mind Buster to keep his resources up (and the opening Mind Buster makes Jessica's blitzing utterly fail. Magic Canceller just breaks the fight open).
Dark King (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest) vs Evrae (Final Fantasy X) - Slow makes Dark King suck forever and ever.

Heavy

Thage (Eternal Poison) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4) - Paralysis, roflcopters.

Middle

Ulrika Mulberry (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) v  Danette (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) - Tricky fight. Ulrika's faster first turn, but she -really- needs to connect Silence first with Magic Cannon, and the odds aren't too good. By turn three-four, Danette also has a guaranteed kill with her special, but even with Ulrika damage, this might be tricky. In the end, I suspect it all boils down to whether Danette's mdur is bad enough to eat a OHKO to Intent to Destroy. Will have to calc it out.

Light

Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) vs Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3) - Holy -shit-, Shady 6HKOs Olivya, which means she can conceivably spam Heal 1 for -years- until gets a Wrathful Strike and then lather rinse repeat, and doubles will take -forever- to come up. Jesus christ CK.
Tin Man (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) v  Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3) - Considering how most damage in WoO can be seen as multi-hit, I'm not really much for seeing Battle Wind even particularly close to tinking against Melody's Barrier. THAT SAID, Tin Man likely misses a 3HKO on Melody by a -hair- anyway, which dooms him pretty much instantly, since he has no recourse against poison.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2013, 05:23:34 PM by Jo'ou Ranbu »
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2013, 08:58:51 PM »
Godlike

Nadesico (Super Robot Wars J) vs Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI) - Owned by SCAN.  Amazing.
Haken Browning (Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier) vs Asellus (SaGa Frontier) - I'll bite.
Dark King (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest) vs Evrae (Final Fantasy X)

Heavy

Basilio (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Lilka Eleniak (Wild ARMs 2) - Going first gives her enough time to buff evade to the point of untouchability, I think.  Will wait for other opinions though.  edit: sure, I'll bite

Middle

Dubhe (Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2) vs Bowser (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars) - Kneejerk.

Light

Maribelle (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Maria Balthasar (Xenogears) - 30% HP regen is enough to own Maria, I think.
Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) vs Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3) - no.
Randolph (Lufia: The Legend Returns) vs Badrach (Valkyrie Profile) - Randolph isn't bad enough to lose to Badrach the 6HKO wonder.
Tin Man (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) v  Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3) - Barrier kind of pushes Tinman out of 3HKOing yeah.
« Last Edit: March 04, 2013, 12:41:38 AM by Random Consonant »

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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2013, 09:13:27 PM »
Dark King (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest) vs Evrae (Final Fantasy X)
Heck no to Evrae ignoring the conditions of his own fight that make it easy in-game.  He can't use the immunity-ignoring Slow on turn 1 - well until Dark King attacks him, but Evrae is faster.  Dark King attacks & asks Cid to move the airship back which will happen by turn 2, meaning Evrae is only at short range for his first attack, then peppers Evrae with magic while Evrae uses his mighty 5HKO (which is even worse in game!) and still can't use the Slow because now he's stuck at long range.  Eventually Evrae unlocks the "force close range" ability at 33% health but he's far too close to death by then, especially since his Slow move has crap damage attached, not to mention that DK can ask for the airship to be sent back to long range anyway.  A slaughter.

Heavy

Basilio (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Lilka Eleniak (Wild ARMs 2)
Elf's stat topic claims Basilio has a 0% crit rate alone vs. average endgame enemies.  WA2 luck is random, so I guess if Lilka enters the fight with the bad luck to have, uh, bad luck, Basilio can win, but otherwise Quick -> spam healing forever until misses or until Basilio breaks his weapon.
EDIT: Killer Axe, right.  (Less TB speed-for-doubles hype here, Lilka doesn't get her first double until like turn 5, so Basilio has like 8 crit chances if Killer Axe's regular hit is heal locking anyway.)

Middle

Kloe (Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Lexis (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals)
Battle of the slow status flingers with healing...  but Anti-Sept messes with Lexis fiercely.  He apparently has 3 different weapons to equip with 3 different statuses to threaten Kloe with, but chaining them requires building up a lot of IP...  which Kloe might give Lexis in fairness while slinging Shadow Spears hoping for ID.  And Kloe has 2 accessory slots anyway, so she probably blocked the one IP status Lexis could equip anyway.
EDIT: Wait, Lexis can block silence.  But does it matter?  What's his game here?  He can't block ID without casino stuff that isnt' available until he leaves, so no.  He can heal but eventually Shadow Spear will get him, although granted, if he equipped the right status weapon, he's likely to have time to get to 100% IP and do some kind of nasty status chain.  Although maybe Radiant Plash can interrupt it?  Eh, stickign with the vote for now.
SECOND EDIT: Okay, never mind, super said that Lexis can't block silence, so this is much more straightforward.  (Tide claimed in chat that Lexis could block Silence....)

Light

Maribelle (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Maria Balthasar (Xenogears)
On the one hand, Robo Kick is physical damage.  On the other hand, it still doesn't OHKO the insanely bad Maribelle, and she can use her oh-god-never-use-this-in-game War Cleric form for Renewal hype.  Ugh, one of the cases allowing form choice is weird, for all that War Cleric might actually be better for her in Light in the DL (Maribelle loses all slugfests anyway, so might as well cheese some characters with regen.)

Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) vs Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3)
Aw yeah, TO cleric heal-chains.

Event #14: Being Charlie Brown- David Xanatos (Gargoyles) vs Erim (Lufia Series)
Erim is better at "being Lucy" but the fact that she loses constantly, forever, and will continue to lose in future Lufia games, has a certain timeless air about it. (Why can't you reform the Sinistrals and make them a wandering singing group of troubadours?)  I can easily see Erim accepting this cycle of losses as the natural state of things.  Xanatos, even if things were to take a horrible turn and he was to be reduced to being a bum in the street, has too much arrogance about him to ever be Charlie Brown.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2013, 11:49:39 PM by SnowFire »

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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2013, 09:14:20 PM »
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Elc (Arc the Lad II) vs Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King)- If Elc takes turn 1 unscathed, he probably opens with Mind Buster. I'm assuming that Jessica is using a Whip because Staves are not winning this. I'm assuming that Bounce is permanent (or else haha, L1 Invincible sees a use, Elc waits, buffs Magic, destroys the rest of her MP basically) and that it gets Divide/Mind Buster. But...DQ 8 buffs often were not permanent. Gut is Elc. I'd actually compare this to Elc v Rosa too.

Heavy

Thage (Eternal Poison) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)- Magic immunity and 100% fear off an ITE attack
Aurica Nestmile (Ar tonelico: Melody of Elemia) v Eruca (Radiant Historia)- AR mages are such a mess. And the topic had a lot of kind of iffy equips...but...they can a lot of damage done over small hits. But Eruca may go first and 2HKO. But there may be some legal Ice def up equips.

Middle

Ulrika Mulberry (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) v  Danette (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)- Snow, Danette should be faster first turn (The MK 2 average is tight because it's really hard to argue that most of the cast should not default to Godly Speed Chain in game and DL wise and MK 2 speed adds 500 to the actual stat just to make it somewhat irrelevant). Ulrika does not have ITE, so Danette just the time she needs with evade buffing.

Light

Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) vs Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3)
Randolph (Lufia: The Legend Returns) vs Badrach (Valkyrie Profile)
Tin Man (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) v  Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2013, 09:25:17 PM »

Ulrika Mulberry (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) v  Danette (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)- Snow, Danette should be faster first turn (The MK 2 average is tight because it's really hard to argue that most of the cast should not default to Godly Speed Chain in game and DL wise and MK 2 speed adds 500 to the actual stat just to make it somewhat irrelevant). Ulrika does not have ITE, so Danette just the time she needs with evade buffing.

You know MK2 first turn speed functions like TB instead of CTB, and Godly Chainmail's average flatlining doesn't affect Ulrika negatively (she can equip it, after all. The people who hate the universe are Goto and Puniyo), and she's near the top of the curve regardless. Ulrika should be faster turn one and slower afterwards.
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2013, 09:43:56 PM »
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Nadesico (Super Robot Wars J)  vs Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI) - Owned by Scan.  Congratulations, Celes.

Heavy

Thage (Eternal Poison) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4) - so from what I gather here, Thage gets a straight shot to the semifinals.
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2013, 09:53:00 PM »
Right, she can throw on Godly Speed Chain but it costs her the 30 Magic of Beast Leather (think she may have been the only one that did not want to switch over by default). Of course, Danette can block 1 status to me, so I guess she can cast the evade spell before ItD goes off). Of course, MK 2 speed is so randomized turn 1 anyways that it's hard to respect it being good enough to trump Danette's speed.
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2013, 10:25:12 PM »
Oh, right, she -does- lose some magic, which affects her status odds negatively. This probably puts this a bit further in Danette's favor, since Ulrika -really- wants to land Slow turn one to avoid getting lapped.
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2013, 11:06:28 PM »
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Haken Browning (Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier) vs Asellus (SaGa Frontier): Assuming no Asellus healing today.
Dark King (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest) vs Evrae (Final Fantasy X): No vote, but I definitely don't buy Cid listening to someone called "Dark King" myself. Nor would I give anyone an airship to fight Evrae with. (Does anyone actually fight him at long range in-game? It's insanely slow/impractical given his magic resistance.) edit: actually I could buy a holistic argument for "people with airships can use this strategy". Go Setzer or something, even has a long ranged weapon though I dunno if it'd be long range -enough- since only extremely long range things work. (overdrives and use don't, most notably)

Heavy

Basilio (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Lilka Eleniak (Wild ARMs 2): Basilio has a 29% crit rate with a Killer Axe, and unlike almost the entire rest of the cast has enough strength to OHKO with a killer crit despite brave in the average, and a non-crit even manages to heal-lock. So how fast can Lilka buff to stop this? Quicken immediately, then enjoy a 5-3 thereafter. Heal, Quicken again. Heal, Quicken again. At this point Basilio will on average miss his third attack. Quicken again. Quicken twice more, count on a dodge. Quicken twice more, be unhittable. So Lilka wins provided Basilio doesn't crit in three attempts. I take a dim view of FE criticals, so Basilio's 29% doesn't manage it to me, though he does have a >50% chance of winning.
Kain Highwind (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs Super Soldier (Wild ARMs 4): My honest kneejerk would put Super Soldier in Godlike? Regardless, Kain may be tough enough to avoid the instant double 2HKO (not sure) but Super Soldier puts on WAY too much pressure. Even if you see Super Soldier with 1 HP he wins this (he'll parry Kain's first attack and Jump has a charge time).

Middle

Kloe (Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Lexis (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals): Whatevs, I'll trust Snowfire on this one, lazy.
Ursula Leiden (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs El Jackson (Wild ARMs XF): El Jackson's evade and pdur roughly cancel out so Ursula has her usual 4HKO. The problem is that you can't strike El Jackson before he gets a turn with physicals (he has 89% evade until then). He 3HKOs Ursula, so she'd need to get two consecutive doubles in to kill him with her 4HKO. That's not -impossible- if the numbers go her way, but it looks like she falls just short... she needs a 167% turn split, she only has a 165%.

Light

Maribelle (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Maria Balthasar (Xenogears): I think the regen takes this? Will change vote if anyone cares to analyse.
Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) vs Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3): I think her mdur is barely enough for infinite healing works. The fact that this is close says everything you need to know about Olivya's problems.
Tin Man (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) v Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3): Adjusting for average per-hit damage for Wizard of Oz, Melody takes off 58 damage from each WoO hit, a 41% reduction to Battle Wind (still his best damage). That 3HKOs with a dim view of Melody's pdur. So he's taking two shots of poison and 3 Eliminate Scanners... which is borderline fatal. Oh, wait, average speed has a 4-3 on Tin Man.
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2013, 11:14:57 PM »
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EDIT: Wait, Lexis can block silence.  But does it matter?  What's his game here?  He can't block ID without casino stuff that isnt' available until he leaves, so no.  He can heal but eventually Shadow Spear will get him, although granted, if he equipped the right status weapon, he's likely to have time to get to 100% IP and do some kind of nasty status chain.  Although maybe Radiant Plash can interrupt it?  Eh, stickign with the vote for now.

Lexis has no way to block silence, he can't use the casino equipment. Poison is the only status he can block in the DL. He really has no business being anyone with remotely competent status considering his damage woes.

Edit: He had a dummied out armor and helmet that blocked some status. Relevant to this match, he can use one piece of gear in the entire game that blocks silence. That is the Mage Shield. All the mages can use it and it is a rare drop (2.5%) from an enemy in a single dungeon. Artea and Maxim have no real use for it and Selan probably doesn't, but ugh to that being legal.
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2013, 11:49:45 PM »
Godlike

Nadesico (Super Robot Wars J)  vs Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI)
Haken Browning (Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier) vs Asellus (SaGa Frontier)
Elc (Arc the Lad II) vs Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King): Open with Mind Buster. Caudeceus' healing was pretty bad (25%) and Elc can outpace that. If she goes to refresh Bounce (she can do that while it is still up) she's giving up a turn in the damage/heal war. And he's halving her damage. Magic Burst isn't as scary a finisher due to the fact that he opened by damaging her MP and he resists fire (and the Magic Canceller halves all her significant damage).
Dark King (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest) vs Evrae (Final Fantasy X): Not sure. Probably Evrae?

Heavy

Basilio (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Lilka Eleniak (Wild ARMs 2): Go Lilka! She has her Dual-Cast S-crested High Spells to serve as a finisher if he hurts her enough in pursuit of a Crit. (Can't vote)
Kain Highwind (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs Super Soldier (Wild ARMs 4)
Thage (Eternal Poison) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4): ITE physical Fear move.
Aurica Nestmile (Ar tonelico: Melody of Elemia) v Eruca (Radiant Historia): Aurica may kill her before she gets a turn? Or tank a turn from Eruca on account of a defensive spell.

Middle

Kloe (Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Lexis (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals): She has status blockers.
Dubhe (Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2) vs Bowser (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
Ursula Leiden (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs El Jackson (Wild ARMs XF)
Ulrika Mulberry (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) v  Danette (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters): I don't have much to justify this I suppose.

Light

Maribelle (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Maria Balthasar (Xenogears)
Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) vs Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3)
Randolph (Lufia: The Legend Returns) vs Badrach (Valkyrie Profile): Randolph really sucks.
Tin Man (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) v  Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3): His final move should do the trick since the barrier probably makes fun of his 4-strike attack?

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Event #14: Being Charlie Brown

The final and most challenging event awaits our most successful contestants.  To be Charlie Brown is to be life's chew toy.  To not only lose, and lose consistently, but to make clear it is the natural order of things.  Not only did you not succeed, but you were never going to succeed.

Sinistral of Death, Erim has often lost, but always by her own design, which is not the same thing.  David Xanatos made himself the greatest of men by his own design, and every loss is also a win.  Neither contestant is suited to this event, but that's the point, no?

Event #14: Being Charlie Brown- David Xanatos (Gargoyles) vs Erim (Lufia Series)

Erim is so broken into losing that even her MASTER PLAN involves... her losing. Yeah, this works.

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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2013, 12:12:29 AM »
super: Interesting.  Well Lexis really loses then if he can't stop Silence.

DHE: I'm one who's up more than most for plot arguments to tip DL fights, but Cid ignoring DK is more of a tiebreaker to me. ;-)  Anyway, it's a classic example of enemy AI that is perfectly controllable by player actions, similar to XS2 Cathedral / Dario / etc.  The fact that it's even more simple than usual - literally just click which AI you'd like to face - means that people should have that choice in the DL.  (FWIW, I ground down Evrae from long range in-game because he fails so badly there, just snooze and let Lulu toss spells even at half damage and Wakka throw stuff while he's practically helpless, you can't really lose.)

Good point on the Killer Axe though, definitely tips my vote even if not yours.

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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2013, 12:21:23 AM »
Yeah, it's a snooze-fest all the way until he goes into limit berserk mode and possibly kills you at that point. But fair enough, I figured nobody actually fought him that way, as the game encourages you to use the airship mechanics just to dodge poison breath.

The obvious difference between Cathedral/Dario and Evrae is that you're reliant on the actions of an ally (Cid) rather than it being something a dueller can do oneself. It's more comparable to giving anyone who fights Rhapthorne a pair of monster teams to throw at him. Flavour-wise having an airship (and an ally to operate it) to fight Evrae seems obviously illegal to me, though I can kinda understand it from a pure mechanics standpoint if I squint.

EDIT: For another, more obvious parallel, it's equivalent to giving anyone who fights Jecht a pair of Talk commands to force him to skip a turn and nullify his OD gauge.

EDIT: Also Cid will ignore Wakka, Lulu, Auron, and Kimahri (buncha no-good yevonites!) so I dunno why him ignoring Dark King is an especially big stretch. <.<
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2013, 12:32:57 AM »
Godlike

Nadesico (Super Robot Wars J)  vs Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI)

Haken Browning (Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier) vs Asellus (SaGa Frontier)
Elc (Arc the Lad II) vs Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King)
Dark King (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest) vs Evrae (Final Fantasy X)


Heavy

Basilio (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Lilka Eleniak (Wild ARMs 2)
Kain Highwind (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs Super Soldier (Wild ARMs 4)
Thage (Eternal Poison) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)
Aurica Nestmile (Ar tonelico: Melody of Elemia) v Eruca (Radiant Historia)


Middle

Kloe (Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Lexis (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals)
Dubhe (Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2) vs Bowser (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)

Ursula Leiden (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs El Jackson (Wild ARMs XF)
Ulrika Mulberry (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) v  Danette (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)

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Maribelle (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Maria Balthasar (Xenogears)
Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) vs Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3)
Randolph (Lufia: The Legend Returns) vs Badrach (Valkyrie Profile)
Tin Man (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) v  Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)
« Last Edit: March 05, 2013, 04:35:45 AM by Luther Lansfeld »
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2013, 12:44:00 AM »
DHE: The short version is that I see Talk-to-Jecht as a property of Tidus, and see the airship as a property of the fight itself that the designers happened to give the switch to Tidus (& Rikku).  I don't really give Guv Call Team hype nor Atl4 Kharg Airship hype either, it's not "their" command, it's more a whole-party thing where the option to do it happens to be on a single character.  To get in the realm of alternate game history, if somehow Tidus & Rikku were elsewhere for Evrae, I'd assume that Cid would take orders from someone else, but if you somehow had a fight against Jecht where Tidus was busy and not present, it'd require a very specific character for a Talk command to make any sense.  (Just Auron, pretty much.)

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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2013, 01:43:46 AM »
I brought up Call Team specifically because it was a party resource, so I figured you might give it to anyone who fought DQ8 bosses (in fact, not giving it to Guv feels like it'd make it more likely for you to do this).

Yes, Jecht being vulnerable to a talk command is specific to having Tidus in the party... much like Evrae being vulnerable to a "fly away" command is specific to having Cid (or more generally, an airship) in the party. You can envision an alternate reality where somebody else could give orders to Cid, but I have a much easier time envisioning an alternate reality where Cid just plain isn't present, or won't help, or whatever. And perhaps more importantly this alternate reality is certainly where I see the DL; you don't get somebody else actively helping you in a fight (to the point where Cid even appears on the turn gauge as a distinct entity).

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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2013, 02:37:52 AM »
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Dark King (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest) vs Evrae (Final Fantasy X)

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Randolph (Lufia: The Legend Returns) vs Badrach (Valkyrie Profile)


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Being Charlie Brown- David Xanatos (Gargoyles) vs Erim (Lufia Series)
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2013, 05:42:54 AM »

Godlike

Elc (Arc the Lad II) vs Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King) - Lower Bounce respect than Mind Buster respect is enough, I'd guess.

Heavy

Thage (Eternal Poison) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4) - Spoils with Magic Immunity and ITE handily.
Aurica Nestmile (Ar tonelico: Melody of Elemia) v Eruca (Radiant Historia) - AT Mages are fun because they ignore turn rules in a turn-based setting. So they totally get this property in the DL to me. Lots of quick damage bursts add up and she can even throw a defense spell in at the end of the chain to boost her durability when Eruca gets her first (and probably only?) turn.

Middle

Ursula Leiden (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs El Jackson (Wild ARMs XF)
Ulrika Mulberry (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) v  Danette (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters) - Faster after turn 1, and possibly doubles if she opens with the speed boost. Danette should get her limit by turn three, and definitely will if Ulrika does anything to her from Melee range. She should survive long enough for that easily.

Light

Tin Man (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) v  Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3) - Close, leaning this way.

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Event #14: Being Charlie Brown- David Xanatos (Gargoyles) vs Erim (Lufia Series) - Well, she certainly succeeds at disguises! Not really all that great at anything else... and it's not like anyone had a reason to try to figure out her disguise... half the time she herself forgets she's in a disguise. God, she's a loser. And now, for once, she can be a winner. Sorta.

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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2013, 07:15:05 PM »
Godlike

Nadesico (Super Robot Wars J)  vs Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI)
Haken Browning (Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier) vs Asellus (SaGa Frontier)- No vote.
Elc (Arc the Lad II) vs Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King)- No vote.
Dark King (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest) vs Evrae (Final Fantasy X)- No vote.

Heavy

Basilio (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Lilka Eleniak (Wild ARMs 2)
Kain Highwind (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs Super Soldier (Wild ARMs 4)
Thage (Eternal Poison) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)- No vote.
Aurica Nestmile (Ar tonelico: Melody of Elemia) v Eruca (Radiant Historia)- Hmm.  Okay, Aurica can equip for ice defense and avoid a OHKO from either direction.  Divine Light is pretty useless against a Reyvateil, so nothing Eruca can do in one turn is relevant.  Aurica is bound to win before then.

Middle

Kloe (Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Lexis (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals)
Dubhe (Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2) vs Bowser (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)- I don't htink Bowser can do anything decisive on turn 1.
Ursula Leiden (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs El Jackson (Wild ARMs XF)- Mm.  She's not durable enough to make a heal game work, and isn't going to kill him with Tenketsu (just punching him gives him too much evade) before he wins.
Ulrika Mulberry (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) v  Danette (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)- Mmm.  On average, it seems like Ulrika can delay the  match but not enough to wear Danette down.

Light

Maribelle (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Maria Balthasar (Xenogears)- Maribelle laps her, so... yeah, out-regens her damage.
Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) vs Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3)- No vote
Randolph (Lufia: The Legend Returns) vs Badrach (Valkyrie Profile)- No vote.
Tin Man (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) v  Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2013, 11:50:56 PM »
Godlike

Elc (Arc the Lad II) vs Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King): Invincible, MP Buster, should be able to win this.
Dark King (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest) vs Evrae (Final Fantasy X): Has the raw HP to make this work.

Heavy

Kain Highwind (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs Super Soldier (Wild ARMs 4): Kain has a number of tricks that could help him here...pity Super Soldier ruins his day before he gets his first turn thus rendering most of them obsolete.

Middle

Ursula Leiden (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs El Jackson (Wild ARMs XF): Kneejerk.

Light

Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) vs Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3): I seem to recall the sisters were decent enough to take on Shady, so...
Randolph (Lufia: The Legend Returns) vs Badrach (Valkyrie Profile): Randolph had ONE THING and that's raw damage which was decent.  Badrach...doesn't even have that much in the DL.
Tin Man (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) v  Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3): Tin Man has raw damage too, good because it eats through Melody's Barrier and outslugs her; true the Barrier eats up damage per hit on 4 Winds, but then Tin Man's final attack at low HP is only one hit and should be enough as a finisher to tip the fight in his favor.
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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2013, 06:32:23 PM »
Godlike

Nadesico (Super Robot Wars J)  vs Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI)
Haken Browning (Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier) vs Asellus (SaGa Frontier)
Elc (Arc the Lad II) vs Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King)
Dark King (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest) vs Evrae (Final Fantasy X)

Heavy

Basilio (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Lilka Eleniak (Wild ARMs 2)
Kain Highwind (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs Super Soldier (Wild ARMs 4)
Thage (Eternal Poison) vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)
Aurica Nestmile (Ar tonelico: Melody of Elemia) v Eruca (Radiant Historia)

Middle

Kloe (Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Lexis (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals)
Dubhe (Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2) vs Bowser (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
Ursula Leiden (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs El Jackson (Wild ARMs XF)
Ulrika Mulberry (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy) v  Danette (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)

Light

Maribelle (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs Maria Balthasar (Xenogears)
Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) vs Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3)
Randolph (Lufia: The Legend Returns) vs Badrach (Valkyrie Profile)
Tin Man (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) v  Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)

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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2013, 07:02:40 PM »
Only one I can vote on that I'm willing to interp is:

Basilio (Fire Emblem: Awakening) vs. Lilka Eleniak (Wild ARMs 2) - Lilka only wins this one with a lot of TB speed hype, I think.

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Re: Futurama 2013 Season 1, Week 2
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2013, 07:06:06 PM »
Godlike

Nadesico (Super Robot Wars J)- iiii  vs Celes Cher (Final Fantasy VI)- i
Haken Browning (Super Robot Taisen OG Saga: Endless Frontier)- iiii vs Asellus (SaGa Frontier)
Elc (Arc the Lad II)- iiiiiii vs Jessica Albert (Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King)
Dark King (Final Fantasy Mystic Quest)- iiii vs Evrae (Final Fantasy X)- ii

Heavy

Basilio (Fire Emblem: Awakening)- iii vs Lilka Eleniak (Wild ARMs 2)- iii (Hatbot)
Kain Highwind (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years) vs Super Soldier (Wild ARMs 4)- iiiii
Thage (Eternal Poison)- iiiiii vs Arnaud G. Vasquez (Wild ARMs 4)
Aurica Nestmile (Ar tonelico: Melody of Elemia)- iiii v Eruca (Radiant Historia)

Middle

Kloe (Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky)- iiii vs Lexis (Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals)
Dubhe (Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2)- ii vs Bowser (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
Ursula Leiden (Final Fantasy IV: The After Years)- iii vs El Jackson (Wild ARMs XF)- iii (Hatbot)
Ulrika Mulberry (Mana Khemia 2: Fall of Alchemy)- iii v  Danette (Soul Nomad & The World Eaters)- iii (Hatbot)

Light

Maribelle (Fire Emblem: Awakening)- iiiii vs Maria Balthasar (Xenogears)
Olivya Phoraena (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)- iiiiiii vs Shady Thousand (Wild ARMs 3)
Randolph (Lufia: The Legend Returns)- ii vs Badrach (Valkyrie Profile)- i
Tin Man (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road)- iii v  Melody Vilente (Wild ARMs 3)- iiiii

Event #14: Being Charlie Brown- David Xanatos (Gargoyles)- i vs Erim (Lufia Series)- iiiii
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