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Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« on: February 26, 2015, 07:50:07 AM »
Just a quick mini-topic to pass the week o' downtime between Futurama & CKDL.  I largely used Futurama leftover noms that didn't get in to populate this.  Also shameless favoritism of Child of Light as reasonably well-played newish blood that hasn't been in a lot of tournies yet.

Aurora (Child of Light) - The main character who's strangely never been in a side tourney.  Her flaws translate well to the DL, but her upside less so.
Robert (Child of Light) - Yeah yeah he actually got into Futurama, but he's interesting.
Reimi (Star Ocean 4) - 21st century military experts would have been shocked to learn how the bow & arrow returned to favor in the space-faring future.
Fina (Skies of Arcadia) - There was a fun side debate on Fina in the thread, so let's see how she does as a psuedo-control.

Aurora vs. Lily (MK2)
Aurora vs. Tony (WA4)
Aurora vs. Kellam (FE13)
Aurora vs. White Mage (Bravely Default)
Aurora vs. Spar (BoF2)
Aurora vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS)
Aurora vs. Tim (WA2)
Aurora vs. Janus (VP)
Aurora vs. Saki (G1)
Aurora vs. Gepetto (SH2)
Aurora vs. Viki (S5)
Aurora vs. Soldier (DQ3)
Aurora vs. Rose (Jeanne D'Arc)


Robert vs. Lily (MK2)
Robert vs. Tony (WA4)
Robert vs. Kellam (FE13)
Robert vs. White Mage (Bravely Default)
Robert vs. Spar (BoF2)
Robert vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS)
Robert vs. Tim (WA2)
Robert vs. Janus (VP)
Robert vs. Saki (G1)
Robert vs. Gepetto (SH2)
Robert vs. Viki (S5)
Robert vs. Soldier (DQ3)
Robert vs. Rose (Jeanne D'Arc)


Reimi vs. Lily (MK2)
Reimi vs. Tony (WA4)
Reimi vs. Kellam (FE13)
Reimi vs. White Mage (Bravely Default)
Reimi vs. Spar (BoF2)
Reimi vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS)
Reimi vs. Tim (WA2)
Reimi vs. Janus (VP)
Reimi vs. Saki (G1)
Reimi vs. Gepetto (SH2)
Reimi vs. Viki (S5)
Reimi vs. Soldier (DQ3)
Reimi vs. Rose (Jeanne D'Arc)


Fina vs. Lily (MK2)
Fina vs. Tony (WA4)
Fina vs. Kellam (FE13)
Fina vs. White Mage (Bravely Default)
Fina vs. Spar (BoF2)
Fina vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS)
Fina vs. Tim (WA2)
Fina vs. Janus (VP)
Fina vs. Saki (G1)
Fina vs. Gepetto (SH2)
Fina vs. Viki (S5)
Fina vs. Soldier (DQ3)
Fina vs. Rose (Jeanne D'Arc)

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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2015, 12:14:41 PM »
-DoS- Tiamat?! Handing out the free wins today, eh.
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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2015, 09:09:23 PM »
Aurora vs. Tony (WA4) - I think Tony needs 2 crits in a row to kill Aurora, while Aurora should (barely) OHKO.  I'm normally pretty lenient about "resists all elements" but since Light is never resisted in CoL, and Tony has a psuedo-weakness to electricity, not inclined to hype it here.
Aurora vs. Kellam (FE13) - General Kellam isn't doubled and isn't 2HKOd and goes first anyway owowow.
Aurora vs. White Mage (Bravely Default) - It'll take 6 Holies to kill Aurora...  considering WMage is also the champion magic tank, I think her healing holds out.  Aurora could make this closer if allowed to switch to a physical build, but not really a fan of that.  (Also funny that neither of these resist Light.)
Aurora vs. Spar (BoF2) - Spar is also slow and from Dhyer's topic it sounds like Hush isn't turn 1 anyway?  Could be argued.  EDIT: Holy res.  Hush is only relevant with it because otherwise Aurora can finish with physical smash.
Aurora vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS) - No DoS, but...  OHKO'd, this be a slaughter.
Aurora vs. Tim (WA2) - I'm going to assume that Elevate Damage allows Aurora to break though Tim's infinite stall, saving me from figuring out what happens if Tim can stall with First Aid but has to figure out if he has time to ever threaten to win.  EDIT: Not really inclined to respect Tim's ID game, would have to re-check WA2 since I don't recall ever getting that ability....
Aurora vs. Janus (VP) - Janus doesn't 2HKO unless POIZN is better than I think.
Aurora vs. Saki (G1) - Saki 4HKOs, Aurora 3HKOs, they're about equalish speed.  A pathetic slapfest.
Aurora vs. Gepetto (SH2) - I think they 2HKO each other...  depends on SH2 speed hype.  I think vanilla elemental cast -> Holy blast with lots of lag still 2HKOs fine though.
Aurora vs. Viki (S5) - This match is identical to the above one, except Viki has a ~25% chance of missing Chain Magic twice in a row.  Still kneejerking she's slightly faster here although maybe Aurora can pull a Starlight -> physical kill?  Actually, yeah, Viki is also frailer than Gepetto, so that works.  EDIT: Oh right Viki is a magic tank.
Aurora vs. Soldier (DQ3) - Does Swordedge Armor reflect magic damage?  Soldier wins if it does, loses if it doesn't.  EDIT: Loses it is.
Aurora vs. Rose (Jeanne D'Arc) - Nooot the kind of opponent Rose wants.



Robert vs. Tony (WA4) - Close, but inclined to think Hinder -> Shoot will do the trick here.  Robert does need a dodge, but off his base 28% rate vs. someone who has accuracy issues in game, I'm willing to give it to him.
Robert vs. Kellam (FE13) - Robert doubles and it totally doesn't matter, kill with Javelin counters if nothing else.
Robert vs. White Mage (Bravely Default) - Robert's horrible healing trolls WM's MP pool.
Robert vs. Spar (BoF2) - Spar has more time to get some nasty status down here I suspect, in spite of Hinder?
Robert vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS) - Robert is killing really, really slowly here...  probably Tiamat?
Robert vs. Tim (WA2) - Tim spams First Aid, eventually debuffs Robert's speed himself, slooowly collects victory.
Robert vs. Janus (VP) - Don't think Poison kicks in fast enough here.
Robert vs. Saki (G1) - A replay of vs. Tiamat...  but Robert's healing game might even be active here vs. Saki's awful damage & speed.  And if Saki buffs herself Robert can throw it away with Hinder.  Kneejerk, could be convinced.
Robert vs. Gepetto (SH2) - Gepetto apparently 2HKOs here if he goes all-out...   but with Hinder, Robert can 3HKO him back?  Sure.
Robert vs. Viki (S5) - And Viki is frailer than Gepetto.
Robert vs. Soldier (DQ3) - Robert runs rings around Soldier, but still gets himself killed I suspect.  Evasion might save him?  Maybe?
Robert vs. Rose (Jeanne D'Arc) - They're both evasive vs. physicals and have crappy healing, but one very much more so.  While Rose overwhelms Robert's healing extremely slowly, I'm not sure it's ever possible for her to *lose*.


Fina vs. Tony (WA4) - Hahaha no.
Fina vs. Kellam (FE13) - Kellam has slightly above average RES, but Stone is still probably turn 2.
Fina vs. White Mage (Bravely Default) - Hmm, Fina can hit Lunar Light on turn 4...  can WM kill her in 6 actions?  Actually yes, Fina's HP is kind of shenanigans, and she sports game-worst MDef without Cupil Ring.  In fact it only take 5 Holies to kill her, so Immune Stone + blitz.  Fina can get a single 50% ID spell off then lose.
Fina vs. Spar (BoF2) - Faster on the low% status quickdraw?
Fina vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS) - Crappy non-elemental-resisted magic beatdown, Tiamat's favorite.
Fina vs. Tim (WA2) - Nope.
Fina vs. Janus (VP) - Should outslug?!
Fina vs. Saki (G1) - More pathetic outslugging, although maybe horrible Fina regen hype + Lunar Winds dispel for the horrible Saki buffs?!  ...probably not, Fina durability so bad + she kills so slowly.
Fina vs. Gepetto (SH2) - Immunes Stone & ID, outslugs.
Fina vs. Viki (S5) - Yellow Scarf should buy Viki some time...  although there's Fina's backup beatdown game.  But Fina only 3HKOs with her physical, while Viki will 2HKO on average.
Fina vs. Soldier (DQ3) - Stone -> ID.
Fina vs. Rose (Jeanne D'Arc) - Stone'd.


Aurora: 7-5
Robert: 7-5
Fina: 6-6
« Last Edit: February 28, 2015, 09:19:19 PM by SnowFire »

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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2015, 04:30:15 AM »
Aurora vs. Lily (MK2)- Aurora, I think (at least without Iggy).
Aurora vs. Tony (WA4)- Aurora. Yeah, OHKO. Iggy is irrelevant
Aurora vs. Kellam (FE13)- Aurora. Iggy is irrelevant.
Aurora vs. White Mage (Bravely Default)- Aurora w/ Iggy, WM without
Aurora vs. Spar (BoF2)- Aurora. Iggy is irrelevant
Aurora vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS)- Aurora. Iggy is irrelevant
Aurora vs. Tim (WA2)- Aurora w/ Iggy, Tim without. The speed up on his healing should get him there (33% PC HP healing that is infinite and also at initiative speed is awesome for Light)
Aurora vs. Janus (VP)- Aurora. Iggy is irrelevant
Aurora vs. Saki (G1)- Aurora. Iggy is irrelevant
Aurora vs. Gepetto (SH2)- Aurora w/ Iggy, Gepetto without.
Aurora vs. Viki (S5)- Aurora w/ Iggy, probably Viki without (should 2HKO first)
Aurora vs. Rose (Jeanne D'Arc)- Aurora. Iggy is irrelevant

Robert vs. Lily (MK2)- Lily. Block slow, use time cards to kill first
Robert vs. Tony (WA4)- Tony
Robert vs. Kellam (FE13)- Kellam
Robert vs. White Mage (Bravely Default)- WM. Block Slow. Double protect not only staves off the 3HKO, but pushes it back to 5-6HKO afterwards. Then slowly wear Robert down into the final blitz.
Robert vs. Spar (BoF2)- Robert
Robert vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS)- Robert
Robert vs. Tim (WA2)- Tim
Robert vs. Janus (VP)- Robert (I think)
Robert vs. Saki (G1)- Robert
Robert vs. Gepetto (SH2)- Gepetto
Robert vs. Viki (S5)- Robert
Robert vs. Rose (Jeanne D'Arc)- Rose

Fina vs. Lily (MK2)- Lily. Blocks Stone, can kill
Fina vs. Tony (WA4)- Tony
Fina vs. Kellam (FE13)- Fina.
Fina vs. White Mage (Bravely Default)- Fina. Yeah, BD missing Stone is a clear hamstring here.
Fina vs. Spar (BoF2)- Fina
Fina vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS)...-Fina
Fina vs. Tim (WA2)- Fina
Fina vs. Janus (VP)- Janus. Gut reaction. I think that Janus does 3HKO here including the poison damage.
Fina vs. Saki (G1)- Saki 4HKOS, which gives Fina 5 turns. Dont' see Saki living through 1.43 PC HP damage, so Fina
Fina vs. Gepetto (SH2)- Gepetto
Fina vs. Viki (S5)- Fina
Fina vs. Rose (Jeanne D'Arc)- Fina

Aurora 12-0 (Probably 8-4 without Iggy, so a decentish Light)
Fina 8-4 (Stone accuracy is relatively not a big deal here. She tends to lose when people block Stone. 50% Stone might flip a few matches though I suppose. Either way, not impressive, but her dueling niche is very specific).
Robert 5-7 (Not a fan of defense, evasion, or people blocking Slow)
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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2015, 02:13:01 PM »
Aurora vs. Lilianne Valendorf (MK2) - Looking at the numbers... Aurora has 0.78 mdur and three Rainy Mega Spear smacks+Frozen Sweet deal 79% PC HP. However, the split between Lily's first turn and Aurora's is 19%. EDIT: Derp, NEB's right.
Aurora vs. Tony (WA4) - Tony's 0.65 PC HP (probably a bit above in mdur due to decent mdef) to me, so yeah, that Aurora ain't OHKOing and she desperately needs to.
Aurora vs. Kellam (FE13) - Nobody realizes Kellam is there for the match, thus Aurora wins by default Kellam fails to kill with Brave Lance+Javelin and Aurora two-rounds very cleanly... but this doesn't matter, since Kellam goes first and two-rounds with Brave Lance anyway.
Aurora vs. White Mage (Bravely Default) - White Mage kills in six Holies - i.e. three-rounds - and goes first. Aurora herself shouldn't 2HKO due to WM's gross mdef, which makes this pretty clean-cut. White Mage struggles a lot less against the magically frail.
Aurora vs. Spar (BoF2) - Spar's slower, but Aurora 4HKOs him after factoring in mdur and Holy resistance while he 3HKOs her shoddy mdur back. Since she's kinda slow herself, I don't think she can really work this out (Spar doesn't even quite get 4-3'd by average, for starters).
Aurora vs. Tim Rhymeless (WA2) - Elevate Damage makes Aurora -almost- OHKO Tim and -certainly- gets him 2HKOed through First Aid... but that leaves her entirely open to Arcana 13 spam, which should be turn two against her. Meanwhile, going straight for Starlight spam allows Aurora to 3HKO through First Aid... but turn two onwards, Tim just gets access to full healing and it's quite possible he gets the FP to OHKO Aurora before she lands a double, which is downright ugly.
Aurora vs. Janus (VP) - These days, I've been honestly amenable to allowing those class skills to VP PCs, which hands Janus accurate silence. Aurora can't really deal with that.
Aurora vs. Saki (G1) - Dear lord, Saki is awful.
Aurora vs. Gepetto (SH2) - Gepetto avoids a 2HKO with Cordelia having Light resistance and 2HKOs back because Aurora mdur.
Aurora vs. Viki (S5) - Viki's magic durability is simply gross (something along the lines of 3x PC HP?) and Aurora's physical backup is terrible.

1-9. Wow, worse than I thought - bad speed and durability can easily undermine 2HKOs, especially elementally reliant ones. In all fairness, this pool's good at exploiting Aurora's issues (lots of people with decent mdur and magical damage). In the end, Aurora ends up being a better Labyrinthia in practice (speed and pdur are better, as is the element, resources and mdur are worse. Labby also has the weirdo niche gimmicks that make some of her fights such a trainwreck, but that's neither here or there).

Robert vs. Lilianne Valendorf - Lily blocks Slow! ... which means Robert just goes straight for the throat and he's faster this way. He 3HKOs Lily... but she can equip for Blocking stack shenanigans, which give her 40% effective evade at no penalty to her damage. It -does- considerably lower her speed, however, but I think she can vie for straight Rainy Mega Spear spam instead, which, even if she gets 4-3'd, should let her land enough spears before Robert's fourth turn. Very close fight, though!
Robert vs. Tony - Hinder ain't terribly relevant: Robert barely 2HKOs Tony with Shoot Arrow x2 and Tony's still faster even after that, so he's pretty much guaranteed to get four shots minimum - which lets him afford a miss as well.
Robert vs. Kellam - Kellam leaves Javelins on auto and finishes off with Brave Lance if he cares. The durability split's just kinda gross.
Robert vs. White Mage - EDIT: Sure, burping Random.
Robert vs. Spar - Robert is faster than Spar even when using Hinder and should be able to overwhelm in time, I think.
Robert vs. Tim Rhymeless - Spam First Aid ALL DAY in response to Hinder shenanigans and build up FP. A Robert crit won't OHKO him, so this should be safe enough.
Robert vs. Janus - I -think-? Janus -does- get that accuracy debuff, but that felt notably less potent than Silence and Robert has considerably more damage otherwise.
Robert vs. Saki - :saki:
Robert vs. Gepetto - Should outslug, methinks.
Robert vs. Viki - Viki pdur: the exact opposite of her mdur.

6-4. I think Robert's considerably superior performance says more about the nature of this pool than about his worth compared to Aurora. Lots of mages in this pool, and Aurora -really- doesn't work well against those.
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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2015, 05:23:36 PM »
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Fina vs. Lily (MK2)- Lily. Blocks Stone, can kill
Fina vs. Tony (WA4)- Tony
Fina vs. Kellam (FE13)- Fina.
Fina vs. White Mage (Bravely Default)- WM. Block Stone, kill before ID.
Fina vs. Spar (BoF2)- Fina
Fina vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS)...-Fina.
Fina vs. Tim (WA2)- Fina
Fina vs. Janus (VP)- Janus. Gut reaction. I think that Janus does 3HKO here including the poison damage.
Fina vs. Saki (G1)- Saki 4HKOS, which gives Fina 5 turns. Dont' see Saki living through 1.43 PC HP damage, so Fina
Fina vs. Gepetto (SH2)- Gepetto
Fina vs. Viki (S5)- Fina
Fina vs. Soldier- Fina

Fina: 7-5. Copied Dhyer's votes, they look right. Fina beating a freaking boss is all kinds of pathetic, but DoS Tiamat.
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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2015, 09:08:25 PM »
Aurora vs. Lily (MK2)
Aurora vs. Tony (WA4) - Yeah don't think I see Tony's HP so low as to be OHKO'd myself.
Aurora vs. Kellam (FE13) - Not one-rounded.
Aurora vs. White Mage (Bravely Default) - It's like WM has breathing room when she doesn't need to kill in 8 casts of Holy.
Aurora vs. Spar (BoF2) - uh yeah
Aurora vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS) - OHKO
Aurora vs. Tim (WA2)
Aurora vs. Janus (VP) - Don't think I hand out Noise Arrow (or any non-Wait Reaction skill) but letting the cast use Curse Check for light res means they both end up 4HKOing each other to me and Janus does it first (though he might require poizn for this).  And archers are a small enough section of VP1 that I might throw them a bone anyways.
Aurora vs. Saki (G1) - lol
Aurora vs. Gepetto (SH2) - ugh
Aurora vs. Viki (S5) - Yep.

Robert vs. Lily (MK2) - Timed sphere crap
Robert vs. Tony (WA4) - um.
Robert vs. Kellam (FE13) - Yeeeaaaah.
Robert vs. White Mage (Bravely Default) - BD has no slow immunity whatsoever, but Hinder probably isn't 100% a winning strategy anyways for reasons beyond Dispel.  So WM needs to at minimum get Robert down to the point where she can kill dump 4 Aerogas (4 Holies would be preferable, but that's nearly half of her MP and I'm not sure she'll be able to afford this in the face of Robert's own shoddy healing).  She'll also need to keep up Protect every now and then so it doesn't wear off and heal at some point as well because this is going to take a while.  Aeroga 11HKOs, Aerora is shy of a 28HKO to average, both seem too likely to end up with WM not having the MP needed to blitz.  Diamond Staff to the rescue?  That does mean Aeroga/Holy do less damage for blitzing purposes thanks to the MAtk drop, but she's likely going to need the free offense here... except that 50HKOs.  Yeah I really just don't know here. e: burp
Robert vs. Spar (BoF2)
Robert vs. Tiamat (FF1DoS)
Robert vs. Tim (WA2)
Robert vs. Janus (VP)
Robert vs. Saki (G1)
Robert vs. Gepetto (SH2) - I hope so at any rate
Robert vs. Viki (S5)
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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2015, 08:32:26 PM »
Aurora vs. Lily (MK2): I dunno if my math is different from Snow's, but from what I'm reading Aurora gets her second attack at around 2.25 average turns, while Lily gets her fatal damage in at 2.25 of her turns... which are faster than average.
Aurora vs. Tony (WA4): Yeah, no way am I buying OHKO hype here. People see Tony as sub-half-PCHP, really?
Aurora vs. Kellam (FE13): This feels very wrong, but what can you do? Maybe reflect shitty knight move with a bigger speed penalty than I currently do? Thoughts for the future. Anyway, Kellam barely tanks a doubled Starlight, and 2HKOs first.
Aurora vs. White Mage (Bravely Default): Not sure about White Mage mdur hype as always, but it's certainly feasible that it wards off the 2HKO, or does after Shell, or whatever.
Aurora vs. Spar (BoF2): Uh yeah even if you don't respect the holy resistance, Aurora is still missing the 2HKO and silence is most certainly turn 2 minimum.
Aurora vs. Tim (WA2): Aurora should heal-lock by just going for damage immediately. Tim will never get the FP to do something nasty with because he relies on First Aid's initiative healing to get him through the rain of 2HKOs, and switching to a fatal attack means he doesn't use First Aid that turn and thus dies. Unless we're hyping Tim actively doubleturning Aurora with First Aid? I am not down for that.
Aurora vs. Janus (VP): Generic class-based silence move? Yeah I don't think so. It doesn't help that Silence is a goddamned joke in VP; it often makes enemies more scary.
Aurora vs. Saki (G1): Saki is bad.
Aurora vs. Gepetto (SH2): Sadly. Gepetto is slightly faster and has no lag on his basic spells, and that + Advent easily kills the magically frail Aurora.
Aurora vs. Viki (S5): Viki is a huge magic tank.

Robert vs. Lily (MK2): Slow, then two more turns of damage should win it for Robert. This does give Lily two turns, and the first will be a full Rainy Mega Spear, but that just falls short of killing Robert. Hyping slow immunity is no go for me when nothing in CoL blocks it.
Robert vs. Tony (WA4): 3HKOs, isn't OHKOed, 3-2's.
Robert vs. Kellam (FE13): Squinting a bit for large subtraction defence, Robert may muster an 8HKO and of course he doubles. But yeesh, that means four Javelin counters and Kellam will get his own turns in there. Rain Arrow avoids counters but it garbage and can't double anyway.
Robert vs. White Mage (Bravely Default): Yeah, that terrible healing probably tilts it, and slow puts on a bit too much pressure too I think.
Robert vs. Spar (BoF2): Don't really see a way out of trouble for Spar; Robert borderline triples him after the opening Hinder.
Robert vs. Tim (WA2): Robert missing the 2HKO on Tim is really bad. Hinder's still nice, but it's hard to see Tim losing with the way it wears off quickly.
Robert vs. Janus (VP): Better. Janus has some evade but can't see that tilting this.
Robert vs. Saki (G1): Yep.
Robert vs. Gepetto (SH2): Robert can Hinder -> double arrow before Gepetto's second turn since he's kinda slow. That does 90% PCHP, which is enough to kill. Yay for Gepetto stats?
Robert vs. Viki (S5): Exact same situation as Gepetto.

For now I allow Berserk, despite its wide distribution. Reimi does at least make uniquely good use of it in-game, at least. I wouldn't hype its use without giving the opponent a hit in, though, which keeps it very situational. Only tips one match here.

Reimi vs. Lily (MK2): Battle of offence-oriented female leads who are good in-game but bad in the DL! Anyway, Reimi's translation is worse. She only 4HKOs (juuust misses the 3HKO), so I guess Focus + 3HKO is the way to go, but that's giving Lily a lot of time. Still, she can get 40% ice res, which pushes Lily back too. Reimi kills after 3.78 average turns, which is juuust ahead of Lily... except that Lily can get slightly faster by using a second Rainy Mega Spear for reduced damage, and still do enough.
Reimi vs. Tony (WA4): Tony may not be able to beat a bunch of kids, but Reimi is in her early 20s. EZ.
Reimi vs. Kellam (FE13): -_-
Reimi vs. White Mage (Bravely Default): Reimi has holy resistance to make WM use Aeroga, which she'll need 9-10 castings of. And while her damage isn't great, it's probably enough pressure to cost WM the rest of her MP. Alternatively, Reimi can stick with her default armour which has 2% regen which... does a remarkable amount to screw WM over, which is sad. I dunno. Guessing Reimi makes it work though.
Reimi vs. Spar (BoF2): Hush buys Spar time to set up some buffs or debuffs, I'd think. Healing seals it.
Reimi vs. Tim (WA2): Stack Berserk and Focus, OHKO. Don't think Tim can really exploit the Berserk turn even if he gets a chance to act during it... Reimi will get her killing blow in before Tim's second turn, anyway.
Reimi vs. Janus (VP): Reimi can Focus then 3HKO, so she only has to withstand three Janus turns... unless Janus dodges. Both have decent evade rates, though, assuming those cancel out.
Reimi vs. Saki (G1): Saki is still bad.
Reimi vs. Gepetto (SH2): Gepetto sets holy boosting, so Reimi goes for Holy Chainmail to counter it. Gepetto can still 2HKO, but only with the laggy Passion. Still, Reimi isn't killing before then.
Reimi vs. Viki (S5): Viki 2HKOs with Set!, so.. this is a similar situation to the above. Except Viki is quite a bit more fragile, and Reimi's armour which gives her a 25% chance to avoid any damage means Viki will probably miss one of her three shots. Reimi should certainly 3HKO before Viki's third turn.

Robert 7-3. Slow is good stuff and permits some decent blitzing. Also, didn't matter too much here, but some minor hype for avoiding melee counters should also be mentioned. Robert might even be able to champ with a good draw?
Reimi 5-5. Actually did a bit better than I expected. Armour options are nice, and Focus/Berserk shenanigans do help.
Aurora 3-7. I guess this is a pretty strong Light field (almost everyone except Saki and Janus are solid at worst) so this isn't as bad as it looks, but still rule of Tim applies to her.
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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2015, 10:15:50 AM »
Aurora vs. Tony (WA4): Yeah, no way am I buying OHKO hype here. People see Tony as sub-half-PCHP, really?

Damage average at the time only needs to be 3K for that to happen. And since Kresnik is already there and Raquel is 4400, seems quite feasible for that to me the average.
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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2015, 06:16:11 PM »
It should be pretty close to that, yes. (Doing some quick math, Arnuad will do about 2000 and Jude about 2250.) I suppose my surprise is due to the differences in ways we consider boss durability and not fully factoring in the jump from Yulie to Kresnik myself.

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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2015, 06:51:39 PM »
Also, for whatever it's worth, Aurora's Starlight is .54 PCHP according to Dhyer's topic, so Tony doesn't need to be sub-half-PCHP, just around there.  Anyway, yeah, there's various shenanigans - you mention Short Circuit in the topic, and Kresnik should have FP Advantage in this form, right?  Even if held against one-quarter-of-an-intrude (and maybe 1-quarter of a Lock On, etc.), that's a problem.

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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2015, 01:14:52 PM »
Also, I don't vote on Fina, but Dhyer's vote on her vs. BD White Mage pointed out WM blocking Stone, which she can't do. Bravely Default doesn't even have Petrify and the game only has one Ribbon too.
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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2015, 06:43:56 AM »
I think that was me derping up, BD status options are pretty comprehensive so it's easy to forget it's missing Stone.   That...  that might actually tilt the match to Fina, which is pathetic.  WM kills in 2 actions (only 5 Holies) so she really needs to kill immediately after stoning, but I forget if stoned targets in SoA can take physical damage.  Also WM has great Spirit so arguably might push Stone to turn 3, but eh.

Also, not changing my vote, but Robert vs. WM is a bit closer than I thought.  If WM Defaults 3 turns in a row and could be in good health, 4 Holies -> Heal -> 4x Holies is fatal, albeit saving some MP for Hinder might cause shenanigans.  Unfortunately 8 Holies leaves WM no room for, you know, surviving until then, but it's a nice thought.

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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2015, 02:05:20 AM »
Not blocking Stone is a pretty clear flip (at least for me).
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Re: Proving Grounds Light: Children of Light & Silver
« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2015, 11:37:47 PM »
Also, for whatever it's worth, Aurora's Starlight is .54 PCHP according to Dhyer's topic, so Tony doesn't need to be sub-half-PCHP, just around there.  Anyway, yeah, there's various shenanigans - you mention Short Circuit in the topic, and Kresnik should have FP Advantage in this form, right?  Even if held against one-quarter-of-an-intrude (and maybe 1-quarter of a Lock On, etc.), that's a problem.

You do not start off the Tony 3 fight with FP Advantage. The biggest jump there is probably having Kresnik at a time when his damage is decent versus Yulie who has close to none.

Probably a bigger concern for Tony in that fight is actually Raquel countering since she'll definitely have Hi-Counter and most likely the Macha Brand equipped. Joint Struggle is also a factor if you care because Tony's AI will favour his melee attacks versus using Micro Missiles, meaning he'll be directly adjacent to a HEX when all 4 party members are together. No set up required. In any case, Tony 3 is probably more durable than Jeremy 3/4 but worse than a lot of earlier game's bosses. So make of that as you will.
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