Nyarlathotep's Dungeon: The Return! (Week 2)

[Nephrite]

"Hoho! You all won! How magnificent. Let's see if you can keep it up or not."

Team Monkey vs. Lynx and Harle, 12-0
Team El Cid vs Lynx and Harle, 11-0
Team Fnorder vs. Lynx and Harle, 11-0

Team Monkey's Matches

Floor 2a: Generic Battle Music

"So you want to try something Generic, huh? Well, let's see what you think about this, then!"

Battle #6: Lorenta, Jelanda, Shiho, Mystina

Lorenta: "I think it's time we go, everyone."
Jelanda: "Hah! These fools think they can defeat us?"
Mystina: "Yes, let's show them just how powerful our magic really is!"

Battle #7: FF1 Knight, FFT Knight, FF3 DS Knight

FF1 Knight: "Well, you're not Fiend, but... I guess I'll stop you."
FFT Knight: "For the might of Ivalice!"

Battle #8: FF1 Black Mage, FFT Wizard, Vivi

FF1 Black Mage: "Well, I guess if I have to bother with this..."
FFT Wizard: "Inscribe on the... something something. Whatever, Flare!"
Vivi: "I don't like this, but I have no choice!"

Battle #9: Lucius, Serra, Renault

Lucius: "We must persevere. Don't give in!"
Serra: "Whatever! They won't beat me!"
Renault: "Take it easy and we'll win, no rushing."

Boss Battle #2: Ramza and Vandalier Ash

Ramza: "You think just because you beat our army you can beat us? Hah! I'm a Beovule!"
Ash: "With the power granted to me by the gods I will strike you down! Let's go!"


Team El Cid and Fnorder's matches

Floor 2b: New Age

"So, you want to try something new? Fine then. Let's see how you like it."

Battle #6: Justin and Ryudo

Justin: "Heh! This is a real adventure!"
Ryudo: "Skye, take flight! Let's beat these guys into the ground!"

Battle #7: Cloud, Zidane and Tidus

Cloud: "Hmph. You're not Sephiroth, but you'll do."
Zidane: "Heh heh, if I take you guys out, I'll get a nice bonus."
Tidus: "THIS IS MY STORY! ...What?!"

Battle #8: Claude and Fayt

Claude: "This fight is somewhere around... 80 points."
Fayt: "What does that even mean?"

Battle #9: Ashley, Virginia and Jude

Ashley: "Well, if we have to fight... we have to fight."
Virgina: "I won't give up! Let's go!"
Jude: "I bet you guys are friends with adults. Blech!"

Boss #2: Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo

Jeremy: "Hah hah! You didn't really think you'd only fight good guys, did you?! Idiots!"
Angelo: "I'm a bit unhappy about the situation, but I think you ought to give up, don't you?"


Team Monkey | Tidus, Toadstool, Eileen, Pikachu, Monk
[Floor 2a]
Team Monkey vs. Lorenta, Jelanda, Shiho, Mystina
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Knight, FFT Knight, FF3 DS Knight
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Black Mage, FFT Wizard, Vivi
Team Monkey vs. Lucius, Serra, Renault
Team Monkey vs. Ramza and Vandalier Ash

Team El Cid | Zerase, Emily, Bernadette, Rena, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team El Cid vs. Justin and Ryudo
Team El Cid vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus (No Caladbolg or Sonic Steel)
Team El Cid vs. Claude and Fayt
Team El Cid vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team El Cid vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo

Team Fnorder | Raquel, Zozma, Claude, Aika, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team Fnorder vs. Justin and Ryudo
Team Fnorder vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus (No Sonic Steel or Caladbolg)
Team Fnorder vs. Claude and Fayt
Team Fnorder vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team Fnorder vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo

Also, team leaders: Single or Multiple?

[Magic Fanatic]

Team Monkey | Tidus, Toadstool, Eileen, Pikachu, Monk
[Floor 2a]
Team Monkey vs. Lorenta, Jelanda, Shiho, Mystina
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Knight, FFT Knight, FF3 DS Knight
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Black Mage, FFT Wizard, Vivi
Team Monkey vs. Lucius, Serra, Renault
Team Monkey vs. Ramza and Vandalier Ash - No one is really able to deal with Toadstool's healing.  The rest just fool around from there.

Team El Cid | Zerase, Emily, Bernadette, Rena, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team El Cid vs. Justin and Ryudo
Team El Cid vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus
Team El Cid vs. Claude and Fayt
Team El Cid vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team El Cid vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo - Yet again, healing carries teams far.

Team Fnorder | Raquel, Zozma, Claude, Aika, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team Fnorder vs. Justin and Ryudo
Team Fnorder vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus
Team Fnorder vs. Claude and Fayt
Team Fnorder vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team Fnorder vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo - SharpPain makes this kind of not fair.  Zozma is only half as useful in the final round, but Claude and Raquel splatter things quite nicely.

[superaielman]

Team Monkey | Tidus, Toadstool, Eileen, Pikachu, Monk
[Floor 2a]
Team Monkey vs. Lorenta, Jelanda, Shiho, Mystina- Sleepy team works here.
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Knight, FFT Knight, FF3 DS Knight- Not here though! Knight.. should at least put one decent in Eileen or Toadstool's MP.Or hell, Knight swarm should kill Pikachu at at the worst.

Team Monkey vs.FF1 Black Mage, FFT Wizard, Vivi- Mmm. FFT Wizard and Black Mage both get off spells. Wizard should Death Tidus, I think. Team has no other way to revive. One of the three should be able to kill Tidus.
Team Monkey vs. Lucius, Serra, Renault- Easy weardown fight. Toadstool should heal them up fully before the boss, though this puts a strain on her resources.
Team Monkey vs. Ramza and Vandalier Ash- Ash is really, really scary scary here, even with sleep. The entire team is reliant on physicals, and Ramza can wall the status. Donno. I don't think Monkey's team resources hold out here, especially since Ramza shrugs off most of what he can do.

Team El Cid | Zerase, Emily, Bernadette, Rena, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team El Cid vs. Justin and Ryudo- Zerase/Em fry Justin. That is that.
Team El Cid vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus- Thinking.
Team El Cid vs. Claude and Fayt
Team El Cid vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team El Cid vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo

Team Fnorder | Raquel, Zozma, Claude, Aika, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team Fnorder vs. Justin and Ryudo- Deathcurse Ryudo, heal up after Justin uses HE cut once.
Team Fnorder vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus- Thinking.
Team Fnorder vs. Claude and Fayt
Team Fnorder vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team Fnorder vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo

[Monkeyfinger]

Team Monkey | Tidus, Toadstool, Eileen, Pikachu, Monk
[Floor 2a]
Team Monkey vs. Lorenta, Jelanda, Shiho, Mystina: 2 of them die before they can move thanks to voice of earth. No losses.
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Knight, FFT Knight, FF3 DS Knight: FF1 knight's blockers are death/stone/poison, sleep gets him fine. Meanwhile the rest of the team gangs up on FF3 knight's slow ass and kills him. Lol FFT knight, he can't OHKO an earlygame pikachu (lategame, things might be different). No losses.
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Black Mage, FFT Wizard, Vivi: At average speed, Black Mage is my fastest opponent here. Eileen + Tidus (who doesn't fail at damage yet, no holy or doublecast flare to make him look bad) take him out. Pikachu + Monk take out Wizard. Vivi has no turn 1 status or OHKO moves. No losses.
Team Monkey vs. Lucius, Serra, Renault: Surprisingly decent; I'd probably see myself losing someone here if I didn't see all non-mounted FE characters as losing tiebreaks. As is though Monk outspeeds all the FE mages for me, allowing a kill on whoever hits the hardest.
Team Monkey vs. Ramza and Vandalier Ash: Copper flesh pikachu and watch him paralyze Vanldalier then whip his ass. No seriously, this works. Ramza's a joke.

Team El Cid | Zerase, Emily, Bernadette, Rena, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team El Cid vs. Justin and Ryudo
Team El Cid vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus: Get back to this later.
Team El Cid vs. Claude and Fayt
Team El Cid vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team El Cid vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo

Team Fnorder | Raquel, Zozma, Claude, Aika, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team Fnorder vs. Justin and Ryudo
Team Fnorder vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus: Sharp Pain is like the only counter to the above strategy. They're all helpless against it.
Team Fnorder vs. Claude and Fayt
Team Fnorder vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team Fnorder vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo: Zozma and Angelo effectively cancel each other out. Fnorder's other 4 guys can handle Jeremy.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Team El Cid vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus: The endgame rule for PCs as enemies still applies? Okay, this fight is too fucking much for floor 2.

When discussing this match before the second floor was released with Neph, he told me Tidus -does not- get the option of Sonic Steel for that fight. This should be added to the info on the team, though. Since, um, yeah, Sonic Steel Tidus is just horrendously broken at nearly any floor.

[Monkeyfinger]

What's he got then, Caladblog?

[Magic Fanatic]

What's he got then, Caladblog?

Wow, uh...  You're really harsh on teams, aren't you?  Nah, they probably don't have anything past what you can buy in Besaid, Kilika, and Luca at this point, probably leaving the Brotherhood as the best weapon for him right now...  And nowhere near having ANY of the -aga spells.

[Taishyr]

Currently thinking on all three matches. Tidus/Cloud/Zidane is brutal, yeah.

Magic: The way it worked originally was that the teams were taken against endgame forms of everything, scaled to the same level as the team but with the same stat distribution/skills. So in the former Dungeon, Tidus w/ Sonic Steel or Caladbolg would have been the normal way to interpret it.

Not sure that's the case now, tho...?

[Nephrite]

My apologies for the confusion, I forgot Tidus might be an interpretation issue. I'll make a note for him specifically, but the PCs you find in the Dungeon should be scaled as endgame and the BOSSES should be scaled against when you'd normally fight them, as a general rule. (If that's a problem for people then just vote how you feel comfortable)

I'll make a note that Tidus has neither the Caladbolg or the Sonic Steel.

[Dunefar]

Team Monkey | Tidus, Toadstool, Eileen, Pikachu, Monk
[Floor 2a]
Team Monkey vs. Lorenta, Jelanda, Shiho, Mystina
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Knight, FFT Knight, FF3 DS Knight
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Black Mage, FFT Wizard, Vivi
Team Monkey vs. Lucius, Serra, Renault
Team Monkey vs. Ramza and Vandalier Ash

Vandalier Ash is insane for this, no matter how you slice it up.

Team El Cid | Zerase, Emily, Bernadette, Rena, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team El Cid vs. Justin and Ryudo
Team El Cid vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus (No Caladbolg or Sonic Steel)
Team El Cid vs. Claude and Fayt
Team El Cid vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team El Cid vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo

Team Fnorder | Raquel, Zozma, Claude, Aika, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team Fnorder vs. Justin and Ryudo
Team Fnorder vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus (No Sonic Steel or Caladbolg)
Team Fnorder vs. Claude and Fayt
Team Fnorder vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team Fnorder vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo

[DjinnAndTonic]

Team Monkey | Tidus, Toadstool, Eileen, Pikachu, Monk
[Floor 2a]
Team Monkey vs. Lorenta, Jelanda, Shiho, Mystina - Take out the healers first-turn, Toadstool should be able to heal any damage before the next match.
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Knight, FFT Knight, FF3 DS Knight - Tidus and Eileen's buffs should get them through this, though they take a hit to their resources.
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Black Mage, FFT Wizard, Vivi - The team should be fast enough to KO the dangerous one before ID hits Tidus. They take a lot of damage here, though.
Team Monkey vs. Lucius, Serra, Renault - Monkey's team seems generally faster here, though it's close. The team wants to take out two units here and then heal up with Toadstool before the next match.
Team Monkey vs. Ramza and Vandalier Ash - Tidus and Eileen's buffs are his best chance here. He's low on healing resources, but if he concentrates on immobilizing Ash first, Monkey should still have enough resources to survive the fight with at least Tidus and Monk still alive.


Team El Cid | Zerase, Emily, Bernadette, Rena, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team El Cid vs. Justin and Ryudo - Zerase and Emily make Justin go boom.
Team El Cid vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus (No Caladbolg or Sonic Steel) - Assuming the enemies target the healers, Rena, Mint, and Bernadette spend the whole match healing eachother while Em/Zer take out everyone.
Team El Cid vs. Claude and Fayt - Probably have a dead healer at this point, let's assume the easiest to kill one, Mint. Emily could probably take these guys on her own.
Team El Cid vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude - Gah, healing enemies. Zerase wastes another big charge to even the playing field. Em kills off Virginia before she powers up a Gatling. Bern and Rena heal everyone up before the next fight, but everyone's really low on resources.
Team El Cid vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo - Zerase and Emily gang up on Jeremy while Bern and Rena blow the last of their resources on damage spells to handle Angelo. Rena should still be dealing comparable damage at this stage of the game, and have some levels of Motormouth to increase her speed... Two turns of this should see a Team Cid victory.

Team Fnorder | Raquel, Zozma, Claude, Aika, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team Fnorder vs. Justin and Ryudo
Team Fnorder vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus (No Sonic Steel or Caladbolg)
Team Fnorder vs. Claude and Fayt
Team Fnorder vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team Fnorder vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo - SharpPain whoring hype is go.

-Djinn

[dude789]

El Cid and Fnorder make it, Monkey doesn't.

[Captain K.]

I'm going to say El Cid and Fnorder make it, Monkey does not.

[Taishyr]

Team Monkey | Tidus, Toadstool, Eileen, Pikachu, Monk
[Floor 2a]
Team Monkey vs. Lorenta, Jelanda, Shiho, Mystina
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Knight, FFT Knight, FF3 DS Knight
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Black Mage, FFT Wizard, Vivi
Team Monkey vs. Lucius, Serra, Renault - It's not much of a struggle to get to here. Toadstool's healing is excellent, and she's not too bad herself durability-wise. First round sees Tidus/Pikachu/Monk blitz the enemy mostly to death, the Knights fall to Pikachu being an asshole and Toadstool making sure the damage isn't good enough. The wizards meet Tidus and Monk. This match... mmm. Tidus might fall here? He seems the most suspectible to a prolonged assault, though of note is that it's easy to force these three to heal if the team spreads damage. Inclined to say the team survives intact but with Toadstool mostly drained. Of course, if Eileen has more than one shot of Copper Flesh at this point, she can spare one here on the frailest member and get by.
Team Monkey vs. Ramza and Vandalier Ash - Thinking on this. Not sure entirely what the best strategy is here, Vandalier Ash looks pretty impressive but Paralyze may break him just enough. Prod me to vote on this if I don't get back to it, or just count this as a pass vote since it's close enough that for now I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Team El Cid | Zerase, Emily, Bernadette, Rena, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team El Cid vs. Justin and Ryudo - Yeah.
Team El Cid vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus (No Caladbolg or Sonic Steel) - Without Tidus giving his team bumrush capabilities, this match actually goes pretty easily; Zerase nails Tidus before he gets too crazy with buffs, Cloud and Zidane do stuff but Emily proceeds to make paste.
Team El Cid vs. Claude and Fayt - Cute. Both are average speed, though. Not good enough, here.
Team El Cid vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude - ...heh. Cute match, but Zerase can level while Emily and Rena pick off the remainder.
Team El Cid vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo - And this? Jeremy's main problem is he's ST, and I'm inclined to say either Zerase or Emily can nuke him before it can matter too much... which pretty much makes it three healers, albeit depleted (maybe two) and at least one attack-type vs. Angelo. This is close, too, but for now, pass.

Team Fnorder | Raquel, Zozma, Claude, Aika, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team Fnorder vs. Justin and Ryudo
Team Fnorder vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus (No Sonic Steel or Caladbolg)
Team Fnorder vs. Claude and Fayt
Team Fnorder vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team Fnorder vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo - Spam SharpPain until this fight. Raquel and Claude mop up.

Edit: All pass, I'm going to say.

[Luther Lansfeld]

Monkey loses, others win.

[VySaika]

Monkey loses, others win.

[074]

Monkey loses, others win.

[Mad Fnorder]

My lack of S5 and VH knowledge makes me no-vote on the other participating teams, and I do the same for my own. As for the next floor, I'm going to say....single. See how it goes.

[Sierra]

Dunno about Monkey right now, not voting on my own team, and Fnorder makes it.

Also, single.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Team Monkey | Tidus, Toadstool, Eileen, Pikachu, Monk
[Floor 2a]
Team Monkey vs. Lorenta, Jelanda, Shiho, Mystina
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Knight, FFT Knight, FF3 DS Knight
Team Monkey vs. FF1 Black Mage, FFT Wizard, Vivi
Team Monkey vs. Lucius, Serra, Renault
Team Monkey vs. Ramza and Vandalier Ash - Uh, the serious lack of magical offense burns here, and the team doesn't have revival yet. Ramza OHKOs Pikachu before anything happens and the entire team proceeds to get -very slowy owned- by Ash due to the only source of magic offense being Eileen at this point, which gets owned by the infinite healing. Evadable, non-ranged physicals are a very quick way to get slaughtered by Ash with his ridiculous evade/defense/counters combo. Add to that the fact I see Toadstool getting Sleepy Time on floor 3 and... uh, yeah.

Team El Cid | Zerase, Emily, Bernadette, Rena, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team El Cid vs. Justin and Ryudo
Team El Cid vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus (No Caladbolg or Sonic Steel)
Team El Cid vs. Claude and Fayt
Team El Cid vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team El Cid vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo - Zerase dies, but so doesn't matter. Jeremy doesn't really kill the team, while Emily does kill Angelo and the other living members kill Jeremy instead (Rena's damage isn't that bad - as in more like a 5HKO than her lategame 18HKO - at this point, and I doubt Bernadette's is at this point, either. Enough to kill mr. 30~% PC HP Jeremy). That's that, and I think the rest of the floor is handled swiftly.

Team Fnorder | Raquel, Zozma, Claude, Aika, Mint
[Floor 2b]
Team Fnorder vs. Justin and Ryudo
Team Fnorder vs. Cloud, Zidane and Tidus (No Sonic Steel or Caladbolg)
Team Fnorder vs. Claude and Fayt
Team Fnorder vs. Ashley, Virginia and Jude
Team Fnorder vs. Jeremy Non (2nd) and Angelo - Zozma smash puny PC-heavy floor.

[074]

Uh, question.  How the HELL is Second-form (That is to say, White Orphanage) Jeremy around 30% PCHP?  Unless you go and grab high-end skills early (still doubtful, given that the really high-powered stuff is near endgame), level up early, or possibly have some amazing luck with drops and hexes, it sounds unreasonable to say the least.   If anything, he sits around 1x PCHP--which means he has actually reasonable durability to back up his blitzing powers.  Now, him getting ganged up on, I can see, for all that high-offense teams can probably smack him before he does -too- much damage.

Of course, I'm still a bit unsure of Angelo's abilities at this point.  So that might change things.

[Jo'ou Ranbu]

Uh, I didn't even consider for a minute the Orphanage form because I sure as hell don't remember it other than "fails to hit Arnaud, fails to OHKO Yulie, fails to hit Raquel, gets Raquel'd and dies". And, if the rule of bosses is to be enforced, Jeremy's first form would be more fitting to floor 2 than the second, in my opinion. The first form not even having Inertia Cancel would just shut things out again. I certainly remember Jeremy 3 far better than Jeremy 2, and I'd rather vote on a form that isn't a complete blur to me.

[074]

First form lacks Inertial Cancel, but it does have close to 400% average speed--which means he still gets roughly the same number of turns on average as the non Inertial Cancel ones.