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Heavy Team Tourney (C Group)
« on: February 17, 2016, 02:34:22 PM »
Results of Group A:

Darkness - Winners
Lightbringers - Losers
Pretty - Out

Pool C time;

Speedrun Special
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko1-2)
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG)
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8)
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6)

Dragon Sandbags
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko3)
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG)
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8)
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6)

Imperial Slaughter
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko3)
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG)
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8)
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6)


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NEB - thanks! Fixed.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2016, 03:33:20 PM by Tide »
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (C Group)
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2016, 03:03:07 PM »
Speedrun Special
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko3) - Unless Kasumi has some MT OHKO damage, this team is so screwed.
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG) - Team Speedrun is all physical. They kill everyone but Pamela at which point she just points and giggles.
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8) - Seph is fast, but Hasted Jeremy is like 340% average. Giving Jeremy two actual turns is equal to 6 actions, which translates to some gross amount of overkill and Seph isn't that durable. To make matters worse, Fujin can't even take out Tidus because she has to take out Jeremy if you see Seph absorbing the brunt of Jeremy's attacks.
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6) - LOL SPOILED. Alexia goes first, OHKOs Jeremy. Rika Elims Tidus when she gets a turn at which point WATCH OUT GUYS SOLO JET AGAINST THE WORLD.

Dragon Sandbags
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko3) - Even if they manage to kill someone on team Sandbag, the other team just revives. Simon has some MT but he probably won't live long enough to see it to be used. 
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG) - Of all the status that XS and MK can block, instant death is not one of them. So uh, Angelo has a field day with that to take out both Pamela and Billy, which means the other team wants him out quickly. Problem is, I don't think they can do it. Even if you assume that Angelo is only average speed (he's above, but DQ speed shinenagans), he will beat both of them and Kathwack is 50%. So one of them is going to die. At which point, they need Patriarch most likely to kill him, which is just a losing proposition because team Sandbag is good at Sandbagging >_>.
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8) - So that status thing I mentioned above? Turns out team Sandbags doesn't appear to have any means to cover those themselves either (at least the stat topic doesn't list them). So Fujin has Pain and Sephy has Pale Horse. Both are bad news and I don't think team Sandbag can take out Sephy, though they will probably take out Fujin.
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6) - Kneejerk. Stat topic doesn't say if Status lock catches Instant Death. I'm assuming it does because it catches stat down of all things so it seems pretty comprehensive. NEB/Pyro, please correct me on this. Anyway! If Status Lock blocks ID, Team Rika probably has the advantage. Once Alexia Status Locks Rika, the only members of her team who are vulnerable to ID are Alexia herself and Cyan. Meanwhile Rika has Elim, Gau has Veteran and 2 ID spammers without MT Revival is not a good sign. Also, they have to be worried about CYAN for once because admist all the Sandbagging, he's going to charge for MT Stop from Stunner or MT ID with Cleave, both are bad news. Feels like an uphill climb.

Team Speedrun: 2-2
Team Sandbag: 2-2
« Last Edit: February 17, 2016, 03:58:39 PM by Tide »
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (C Group)
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2016, 03:10:49 PM »
There is no Suiko3 Kasumi. (I assume that should be S1-2.)

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (C Group)
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2016, 05:58:10 PM »
Pool C time;

Speedrun Special
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko1-2) - Nooooooooooope.
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG)- Pamela immunity nonsense, yeah.
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8)- Yeah, agree with Tide.
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6)- Kaboom.


Dragon Sandbags
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko3) - Simon's status is annoying but it isn't enough offhand.
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG)- Strong kneejerk. Billy gets statused out before he can do anything, same with Pamela. Sergius isn't soloing that entire team.
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8)- I don't think Guv's team can blitz down Fujin before she does something really nasty with status. I don't think any of the DQ team can cure status offhand.
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6)- Rika can ID someone (Cristo?) and I still don't think it's enough. the MT ID is pretty deadly here.

Imperial Slaughter
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko3)- It's possible Kasumi+Simon can blitz down Endora but leaning that they don't. The team is totally screwed in that case.
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG)- Endora's getting killed round one.... actually no, Patriarch wasn't that threatning at high HP and Pamela's offense isn't amazing. Ugh. Pretty sure that Billy doesn't get a turn, and even worse, Endora's getting a second turn.  That second turn will kill everyone but Patriarch, and he can't solo the entire team at that point.
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8)- Seph should OHKO Endora, and from there they outslug? I could be underselling Doel's durability, but hasted Seph is not pleasant to deal with.
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1)[ vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6)= Hinges entirely on Rika and Alexia blitzing down Endora. If they do it's an easy win, if not it gets ugly. Abstain for now.
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (C Group)
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2016, 04:17:58 AM »
Speedrun Special
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8) - sure
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6) - probably

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (C Group)
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2016, 05:37:32 AM »
Speedrun Special
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko1-2)
Uh, folks, Albert Simon has initiative.  I don't think there's even an AI respect check because he always uses it on MT damage in Holy Chest.  GRANTED the damage is not that special so Jeremy might survive?!  But if he doesn't, it's kinda over.  ALTHOUGH Tidus can go Caladbolg for Evade & Counter, and if you disrespect Simon HP, He & Jet blitz out Simon, then Tidus is immune?  Nah, Jeremy surviving is a better argument, but not buying it.
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG)
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8)
My Sephy HP respect is fine, but yeah, this is too much.
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6)

Dragon Sandbags
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko3)
Yeah, don't think Simon will get the status he needs in time.  Could be argued, since Dragons are pretty wretched in their offense and give Simon time, and the mooks require at least some attention.
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG)
Barring unlucky Kathwacks.
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8)
My Fujin respect is negative, but Paralysis off Sephy might be enough anyway.
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6)
All about the opening ID chains from Rika/Angelo, really a coin-flip fight.  If Rika misses her ID her team is so screwed, but if it hits Angelo, it slows down the Sandbaggers enough that real problems happen, and Cristo's ID isn't as good as Angelo's.

Imperial Slaughter
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko3)
I don't see Endora as super-durable and everybody got chunked by Simon's initiative attack, so she's not resolving her full chain.  Barbarossa is a slug, Doel is an interp headache (can he transform early in the fight?  is it an HP limit?).  Inclined to say that after Endora falls (either to Simon's MT or to Kasumi on cleanup duty) this team really runs out of steam.  No vote yet, anyone know DOEL MECHANICS?!
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG)
I dunno.  Endora distributes her damage throughout the turn, Barbarossa is a slug, Doel is slow, so Billy getting a turn here seems pretty probable.  See above.
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8)
If Super thinks so.
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6)
Yeah my OB boss HP respect is bad enough I'm not going to judgment call in Endora's favor.

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (C Group)
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2016, 06:20:53 AM »
Speedrun Special
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko1-2): Holy Chest does 36% against HP-booster HP, which... I do think Jeremy survives to me. It's close.
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG): Pamela isn't quite an insurmountable object for this team, as Tidus overdrives can hit her... but she can also 2HKO him (never mind Patriarch, who can 3HKO) and he can't be healed and once he's down, it's over. Tidus doesn't get an overdrive fast enough, even with Haste shenanigans, I don't think. Could be argued.
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8): Sephiroth speed makes this interesting, but Jeremy still probably gets two turns minimum, and that's too much.
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6): Okay yeah, Alexia has an initiative OHKO on Jeremy, and I don't think any combination of Tidus + Jet is stopping Rika from getting a turn, at which point she uses Saner and the team can't hit her outside an overdrive.

Dragon Sandbags
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko3): Fayt's kinda annoying with some paralysis and ID immunity, but I don't think it's enough. Especially since Cristo will wreck the opposing team's damage something fierce.
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG): Billy and Pamela both missing ID is bad for them, Patriarch does not solo many teams (maybe non-healing mages).
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8): Yeah no, this team doesn't have nearly enough offence, even Fujin is going to do something notable here most likely, especially with Sephiroth OHKOing Angelo immediately.
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6): Rika should be able to ID Cristo immediately, Alexia can protect someone with Status Lock (Gau? Rika? Dunno). If Gau isn't IDed by Angelo (seems unlikely, though when combined with the odds of ID missing from Rika, maybe...) he can go ID immune Roulette spam himself. Odds definitely favour this team.

Abstain on Imperial Slaughter, Endora scaling feels too important.

Speedrun 2-2 (worse than expected, every team has some sort of spoiling for it)
Dragon sandbags 2-2

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (C Group)
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2016, 01:52:45 AM »
Speedrun Special
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko1-2): Initiative?
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG): Everyone tries to kill Tidus? Also Pamela will auto-revive if for some reason Patriarch is still alive...
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8)
Jeremy (WA4), Tidus (FFX), Jet (WA3) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6): Heh. Two teams with initiative damage.

Dragon Sandbags
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko3)
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG): That Pamela can auto-revive is kind of meaningless? Well she can spam some status and wastes their turns. But I don't think it is enough.
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8): Status whoring at the least.
Guv (no Call Team), Angelo (DQ8), Cristo (DQ4) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6): Instant Death could be annoying here. Alexia can buff Gau into going before Angelo I'd think (Royal Cheer?) and Rika has her pick to kill someone of course (Probably Cristo)

Imperial Slaughter
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Albert Simon (SH1), Fayt (SO3), Kasumi (Suiko3)
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Patriarch (XS2), Pamela (MK), Billy Lee Black (XG)
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Sephiroth (FF7), Fujin (FF8)
Endora (OB), Doel (LoD), Barbarossa (S1) vs. Rika (PS4), Gau (FF6), Alexia (WAXF), Cyan (FF6)

I"m not sure about Imperial Slaughter. Don't remember Endora enough.