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Heavy Team Tourney (D Group)
« on: February 17, 2016, 02:43:19 PM »
Results of Pool B:

Boss Rush - Tie
Boom - Tie
Praline - Out

Pyro's teams are too good. Anyway, Pool this week:

Mad Swordskillz
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Zeno (BoF5), Ull (VP2), Cloud (FF7)
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3)
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Souji, Kanji (P4)
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC)

Valentine Family Reunion aka: Team of 'No Vincents'
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Zeno (BoF5), Ull (VP2), Cloud (FF7)
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3)
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Souji, Kanji (P4)
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC)

"Who are these People?"
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Zeno (BoF5), Ull (VP2), Cloud (FF7)
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3)
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Souji, Kanji (P4)
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC)

Tiebreaker:
Jowy, Geno, Lyon (S5) vs Lassic, Marcello, Jenova
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (D Group)
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2016, 03:51:39 PM »
Mad Swordskillz
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Souji, Kanji (P4) - EDIT: No wait, Magic Sword doesn't care about Phys immunity. Turn order is Souji > FFTers > Kanji. This all hinges on whether or not Souji can OHKO Beo because if he doesn't Beo Petrifies him and that's game. Kneejerk reaction is he doesn't. Base Hassou Tobi without PC isn't that impressive and Beo can sacrifice some MP in this case for extra HP since once Souji is gone, Kanji ain't soloing.
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC) - I think? Swordskillz probably has issues dealing with Kary, let alone Kary with Rosa for support. Still Beo can status out Rosa or Melia can equip break to make her an easy kill. But they lack healing on their own end and even if Rosa is out, Zard is also there probably with something MT and physical. Could be argued.

Valentine Family Reunion aka: Team of 'No Vincents'
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Souji, Kanji (P4) - Hilda is the lynchpin of the team since she has 100% ID and full healing. However, this doesn't really matter here because Souji basically sets a Persona who is Physical immune, then guns down Keith and probably damages everyone at the same time too with multitarget wind attacks. Without Keith, Joachim and Hilda have no chance of taking out Souji and his two health bars. Oh, Kanji exists too, but y'know.
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC) - Kary spams Hold on Hilda and uh...that's pretty much that, I think. Joachim and Keith can't handle the remaining three enemies. I'm assuming Rosa immunes ID (which Meeple notes ONE form of Rosa's does), which basically shuts down the other two unless they can 2HKO her and I don't think they can off hand.

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0-2 Team 'At least we don't have Vincent'
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (D Group)
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2016, 05:05:11 PM »
Mad Swordskillz
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Zeno (BoF5), Ull (VP2), Cloud (FF7)- Swordskillers are grossly outmatched here. 
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3)- Bat gonna splatter some people here.
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Souji, Kanji (P4)- Think so?
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC)- Equip Flame Shields, blind Kary, have Agrias/Melia kill Rosa before she does anything relevant. Yeah sure, this sounds right.

Valentine Family Reunion aka: Team of 'No Vincents'
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Zeno (BoF5), Ull (VP2), Cloud (FF7)- Surely. 
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3)- Rydia and Hawk get IDed, the team has Earth to spoil Bat.
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Souji, Kanji (P4)-ID. Keith in particular is pretty durable to physicals and immune to ID, which slows down Souji enough.
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC)- Pretty sure. Even if Kary immunes the ID, the rest of her team is very bitzable.

"Who are these People?"
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Zeno (BoF5), Ull (VP2), Cloud (FF7)- Kneejerk the team being able to kill Peformer before she can do anything relevant.
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3)- Bat nonsense is a go.
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Souji, Kanji (P4)- Die for me does it's thing.
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC)- Stomp down Rosa before she does anything. RM can status Kary as well.

Tiebreaker:
Jowy, Geno, Lyon (S5) vs Lassic, Marcello, Jenova- Lyon and Jowy combine to kill everyone but Lassic before they get a turn. Lassic isn't soloing this.
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (D Group)
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2016, 12:39:54 AM »
Mad Swordskillz
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Souji, Kanji (P4) - Seems right offhand.
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC) - I'll get back to this.

Valentine Family Reunion aka: Team of 'No Vincents'
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Souji, Kanji (P4) - SO.  Apart from all the physical-based ID going around here, Keith apparently also has dark-based ID.  Well then.  I don't think Narukami has any persona that nulls physicals and darkness *while* having actual offense and Kanji is useless here, so earth magic damage should suffice at worst.
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC) - later, though I'll point out that all 3 SH games have paralysis blocking so Hold is out.

"Who are these People?"
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Souji, Kanji (P4) - Yep.
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC)

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (D Group)
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2016, 02:05:44 AM »
Pyro's teams are too good. Anyway, Pool this week:

Mad Swordskillz
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Zeno (BoF5), Ull (VP2), Cloud (FF7)
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3)
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Souji, Kanji (P4): Auto Taru (and... auto-acc up?) Wasn't Hassou Toubi MT? That + a Kanji tap is surely brutal.
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC): FFT equips ride again.

Valentine Family Reunion aka: Team of 'No Vincents'
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Zeno (BoF5), Ull (VP2), Cloud (FF7)
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3): ID and earth?
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Souji, Kanji (P4): Hassou Tobi is too much? Do I even allow that? Probably?
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC)

"Who are these People?"
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Zeno (BoF5), Ull (VP2), Cloud (FF7): I think Performer lets Knight kill a bunch of them and then remain basically invincible?
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3): Red magic didn't have Earth?
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Souji, Kanji (P4): Kills everyone but Knight who isn't soloing this.
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC): Too much offense I think.

Tiebreaker:
Jowy, Geno, Lyon (S5) vs Lassic, Marcello, Jenova : Geno boosts Jowy and Jowy + Lyon lay down pain and agony.

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (D Group)
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2016, 02:48:03 AM »
Ugh, not voting Zeno/Ull.

Mad Swordskillz
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3)
Bat.
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Souji, Kanji (P4)
Uh, how bad is losing your equipment in P4?  Petrify isn't the end because Yu can run Helel for Strong:Physical & status restoration at the start of a round + the free full-revive thing people like to complain about if they bash through the resistance.  It does kind of nuke his damage though and potentially gives the FFT crew time to do something annoying.  Probably FFT though since I suspect Yu needs Hassou Tobi hype to win.
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC)
Kary probably just goes aggro here with attacking.  Looks complicated, ZOAH needs to be looked up & Charizard is probably falling back to obscure moves he doesn't normally bother with.

Valentine Family Reunion aka: Team of 'No Vincents'
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3)
Unless I'm missing something, all of the Valentines are slightly slower than average, meaning that both Bat & Hawk are going to do something nasty first.  Will his AI spam Zotzilaha Bane?  Because 3x of them + Zanma on turn 1 seems pretty good.  I doubt the Valentines can recover with that + Hawk debuffs even if they gib Hawk & Rydia immediately with their turns.

Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Souji, Kanji (P4)
Well, Keith's Dark ID aimed at Souji his bro Kanji will take the hit for...  then revive...  everyone else finishes off Kanji, but it takes 2 more castings of Death on Souji to do the job.  Does Souji have an MT 3HKO on a phys-immune persona?  (Assuming no Auto-Taru hype, no Auto-Taru averages, no Hassou Tobi...)...  even if he does, Hilda can potentially mess with this via healing.  Seems an uphill fight but maybe.
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC)
Again, the mild slowness of the vamps haunts them here...  Charizard & Kary should go first, and maybe Zoah too (Arguably CC stamina regen isn't important on turn 1).  If they can kill Curvy Hilda...  fine, Keith ID's Rosa, but Joachim's ID is sketchier and his damage isn't inspiring, and they're gonna get ganged up on by the survivors.

"Who are these People?"
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3)
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Souji, Kanji (P4)
BD blocks ID (to me at least) so no Die For Me! hype.  That said I can't imagine how they deal with Yu if he sticks to Helel for healing spam & turning off RM's status game.
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC)
Knight absolutely must blitz down Rosa immediately to stand a chance...   but it's not even clear if Knight is faster, since she's a slug and FF4 speed is wonky and hard to respect (well, in the SNES version, speed is apparently really good in some of the remakes).  Meanwhile everyone else will be diving Red Mage to turn off the healing / revival / status.  No.

Tiebreaker:
Jowy, Geno, Lyon (S5) vs Lassic, Marcello, Jenova
It's not totally unreasonable to see both Lassic & Marcello surviving the burst, and if they do they win, but yeah no.

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (D Group)
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2016, 05:45:52 AM »
Abstain on Souji

Mad Swordskillz
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Zeno (BoF5), Ull (VP2), Cloud (FF7): Swordskillz aren't wonderful against bosses they don't spoil, Ull+Zeno are both pretty strong and should gun them down. The FFTers can absorb holy to spoil Ull's damage, but that lowers their HP, and Ull can't ever be counted out due to Heal.
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3): Beowulf has a way to kill Bat! Two, actually (Drain and Shock). But... he's also slow, I have to think that a combination of Hawk and Bat offence can kill him before he gets a turn even if he blocks transformation. And if he blocks transformation then surely Rydia outspeeds him; she may anyway...
Agrias, Meliadoul, Beowulf (FFT) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC): Flame Shield + Earth Clothes + FFT shields and such really slows down a lot of the offence here. I think they can manage.

Valentine Family Reunion aka: Team of 'No Vincents'
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Zeno (BoF5), Ull (VP2), Cloud (FF7): No holy resistance here, so yeah the bosses run down Hilda and certainly aren't scared of her brothers.
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3): Silence blocking deals with Hawk, instant death can do its thing from there, and yeah, earth mangles Batstrats.
Keith Valentine, Joachim Valentine, Hilda Valentine vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC): Paralysis blockers are needed again... ID can take out Rosa + Zoah, I would think? That said Charizard + Kary take out one of the accurate IDers (Keith maybe) before he gets a turn, so Zoah gets to live, does a bunch of damage... yeah I think Kary's team has the edge.

"Who are these People?"
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Zeno (BoF5), Ull (VP2), Cloud (FF7): Knight physical immunity is a problem for this team, but they can shred the other two pretty fast. And while Ull does reduced damage to Knight, he can damage Knight, and Knight really REALLY isn't equipped to gun down multiple bosses in one fight.
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Bat (DDS), Rydia (FF4), Hawk (SD3): Hmm yeah Bat is too big an issue here. If only Knight was faster!
Performer, Knight, Red Mage (BD) vs. Rosa (FF4), Kary (FF1), Charizard (Pkmn), Zoah (CC): Charizard probably ties Knight up in firespins or something, while Kary wrecks RM.

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Tiebreaker:
Jowy, Geno, Lyon (S5) vs Lassic, Marcello, Jenova: This is definitely the toughest fight of the bunch to me.

Lyon: fire immune, but will die in two Lashiec spells. 90% MT off above average speed.
Geno: Goes first, then average. Geno Boost is godlike. Averagish otherwise, though has MT magic at least.
Jowy: Low OHKO off good speed, relatively averagish past that. Sadly, one of the few S2 PCs who can't null dark due to fixed equips.

Lashiec: Somewhere between 3-4PCHP, 80% speed or so, 75% MT dark magic.
Jenova: Probably like 1.5 PCHP but better than halves magic, so over 3 durability there. Entirely fire. Super fast (160-160%). 56% ST fire, becomes 84% below 1/4 health. Also has 60% silence.
Marcello: It doesn't matter, above average speed but less so than the enemy team, isn't getting a turn.

If you see silence as turn 1 (I don't), then Jenova can make a real mess of Jowy here. (The other two can block it to some extent.) Lyon... may not want to resist it, it probably makes her either go after Marcello, or not null fire. I dunno.

Regardless, let's say Geno Boost hits... Jowy first, why not, else he dies real fast after his first turn. Jowy + Lyon then kill Marcello and take over half the HP of the other two. Lashiec AnotherGates, Jenova will use one of her turns to ensure Geno dies, and the other... either hurt Jowy or try to silence someone. Not sure which. If she 3-2's Lyon, she may reliably silence her... but I imagine she falls just short unless Lyon is going for status resistance.

I don't see anything the team can do to keep Jowy from getting a second turn, except maybe if Jenova tries to tag him with silence twice. But then Geno gets another turn, boosts Lyon, and we get a boosted Vermillion Sky on order turn 2. But... if both bosses survive that, they then promptly kill both Lyon and Geno at least, and Jowy... may well follow before his third turn. However, adding up a boosted Hungry Friend, a boosted VS, and an unboosted VS... that's like 3.9 PCHP, that's too much.

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