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Heavy Team Tourney (E Group)
« on: February 23, 2016, 06:08:42 AM »
Results from Pool C last week -
Speedrun Special - Loser
Dragon Sandbags - Winner
Imperial Slaughter - Out

Dragon Sandbag had the most overall wins; Imperial Slaughter had the least, made worse by the fact that few people could vote on it. On to Week 3 with Groups E and F.


Ice is Nice
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Shu (Atl), Hallec (S3), Worker 8 (FFT)
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Gilgamesh, Artea (Lufia2), Rose (Lod)
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Yuna, Auron
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Asgard, Zero, Ziggy, Gadget Z

Ragnarok
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Shu (Atl), Hallec (S3), Worker 8 (FFT)
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Gilgamesh, Artea (Lufia2), Rose (Lod)
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Yuna, Auron
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Asgard, Zero, Ziggy, Gadget Z


Team Perfect
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Shu (Atl), Hallec (S3), Worker 8 (FFT)
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Gilgamesh, Artea (Lufia2), Rose (Lod)
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Yuna, Auron
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Asgard, Zero, Ziggy, Gadget Z

Voting closes in a week.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2016, 06:17:41 AM by Tide »
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (E Group)
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2016, 07:05:08 AM »
Ice is Nice
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Shu (Atl), Hallec (S3), Worker 8 (FFT): I imagine they can stop Hallec from doing anything too nasty, and the healing/revival is a problem for the other team too? Don't know Shu too well, so do argue. W8's spoiling at the end is pretty mean, but with all the healing/revival he should fall.
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Gilgamesh, Artea (Lufia2), Rose (Lod): Gilgamesh goes first and puts Nel to sleep, Arti can't stop Rose from getting a turn... let's say Artea + Rose kill Marle. Articuno MUST use its turns to kill Rose, but there's more Gilgy status coming.
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Yuna, Auron: This team is stupid overpowered, Auron is a great teammate for Yuna due to initiative Threaten and Sentinel. Anima eats through them.
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Asgard, Zero, Ziggy, Gadget Z: Gut says that Asgard's MT ID causes some major problems here. Nel can null it, but on average it kills one of the other two, and Zero meanwhile can block freeze and thus will likely live to turn 2, unless the enemies entirely focus on him and Marle dies first. So let's say that happens. Ziggy is still doing something kinda useful, Asgard hasn't been hurt yet, I imagine they can probably overpower the team from there.

Ragnarok
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Shu (Atl), Hallec (S3), Worker 8 (FFT): Lots of 2HKOing going on here. Ull can even Heal. W8's a pain to deal with at the end if Surt is the only one alive but surely the team can keep that from happening. There are even some really nasty damage potential with Surt's Might Reinforce, since that's MT, but not sure if it's worth it.
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Gilgamesh, Artea (Lufia2), Rose (Lod): Gilgamesh against bosses isn't too special, Artea gets 2HKOed by whoever (maybe even OHKOed after a Surt Might Reinforce), Rose probably gets one-shotted by Ull as is (his best move is part-holy)... yeah this is straightforward.
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Yuna, Auron: Best-case scenario for the team is that Anima can't one-shot either opponent. However, she still has Zombie Attack (so Ull's heal is out... though mm, you can argue the bosses are immune). IF the relevant bosses are seen as zombie immune and not OHKOed this becomes extremely difficult for Anima to take alone... although Auron can open with Magic Break on Ull and hope Anima 2HKOs through that? Anyway Yuna herself can block fire so isn't too scared of Surt, and if Ull dies before Anima, she can take a hit from Hrist if need be, then summon Ifrit and look to finish her that way.
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Asgard, Zero, Ziggy, Gadget Z: Not enough fire immunity here, while Ragnarok is ID immune, so they should roll here.


Team Perfect
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Shu (Atl), Hallec (S3), Worker 8 (FFT): If Hallec and Shu both outspeed the enemy team AND can kill Wugui between them, they have a chance. Wakka can still then blind Hallec while Alfina feeds him overdrive... not sure about what Shu can do here. Thunder Reels does wreck W8 really bad. But... he can also just go for the 2HKO on Wakka, and what exactly can Wakka do about it? Not much. His team's gonna lose if this happens. If Game of Death DOES go off, though, that's the end of both Hallec and Shu, and W8 has to solo the entire enemy team which seems much more difficult. I'm not sure where I see Wugui's physical durability... but probably a bit above the 92% Shu+Hallec do (it's close!). It doesn't help that there are reasons to respect Hallec less than the stat topic does. (His awful move hurts his turn 1 speed/damage in-game almost always.)
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Gilgamesh, Artea (Lufia2), Rose (Lod): Artea has a holy weapon, doesn't he? If so, he + Rose can kill Wugui probably, unless Wakka beats Rose to the bunch and she can't simultaneously block blind and sleep. Oh wait, Gilgamesh statuses Wakka turn 1 with something. Right.
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Yuna, Auron: Yeah, no.
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Asgard, Zero, Ziggy, Gadget Z: Wugui is getting a turn here almost certainly (unless Asgard both quickdraws Wakka AND manages to ID him first try), which means Ziggy and Gadget die. Still, Asgard is quite capable of winning this fight the rest of the way... maybe? He does hate Armageddon. Man, not sure. This fight is too much of a headache for me.

Ragnarok 4-0
Perfect 1-2
Ice 1-3
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (E Group)
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2016, 03:25:09 PM »
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Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Yuna, Auron - Sometimes the dice just strikes gold. Auron is like, the ideal partner for Yuna because of Sentinel, Threaten, and Power Break, all of which cover Yuna's weaknesses. In this case, it doesn't matter because Yuna outspeeds everyone anyway, but hey. I probably should have rerolled, but oh wellz~
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Asgard, Zero, Ziggy, Gadget Z - Turn order is something like: Articuno > Asgard > Nel > Zero > Marle > Ziggy. GadgetZ is somewhere in there as well, but don't think it matters too much. Anyway, Zero has freeze protection. Articuno and Marle do not have ID protection. This is bad news. Made worse by the fact that Asgard 3 and Ziggy have MT and I think Ziggy had lightning elemental stuff to make it worse. Arti could damage Asgard to make his Barrier do less damage, but then he just does Wide Barrier and will ID one of Arti or Marle on average. Nel doesn't have revival so the best she can do really is take out Asgard, at which point Zero Hyper Modes, drops someone else and Ziggy throws MT in there. That's a lot of pressure.

Ragnarok
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Yuna, Auron - Better fight, but same problem I think. The other side can't stop Yuna from getting a turn, and Auron will activate Sentinel / Power Break (probably Sentinel), which means even if they do kill Anima, the only way they can drop Yuna is through a Soul Crush since that would go through Sentinel. Anima has enough damage control to make this not happen.
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Asgard, Zero, Ziggy, Gadget Z - Asgard wants his XF form here since Hrist can block ID and is the only person susceptible to it. Anyway, he kills her through Fortress of the Gods into Wide Barrier because XF Asgard no likely Lightning Elemental. If you don't see Gungnir as legal, he takes out Ull because Heal and Feather Guard are both annoying. However, that doesn't happen until all of Team Raganarok takes a turn because Team Asgard is slow. So Hrist/Ull/Surt can combine together to kill Zero and probably heavily damage Ziggy. Hrist dies, then Ziggy will get a turn but unless its Ziggy3, I don't think he does anything meaningful. Asgard then just kills the other two through his dumb barrier shinenagans because neither boss is threatening at full HP. Asgard 3 on the other probably loses. He can spam his MT Barrier on the other side, but no one will get killed, at which point they just destroy him and Zero. Ziggy and GadgetZ ain't soloing. Since I voted Asgard3 earlier, I will take him in that form here as well for consistency.


Team Perfect
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Yuna, Auron - Yuna outspeeds everyone anyway and they have no answer to Anima. GG
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Asgard, Zero, Ziggy, Gadget Z - Turn order is something like: Asgard > Wakka > Wugui > Alfina > Zero > Ziggy I think. On average, pretty sure the odds favour Team Perfect. Asgard's ID is only 60-70%, Wugui's is 100%. Zero blocks it, but Wakka goes before him and Statuses him with something else anyway. Best case scenario is Asgard hits both Wakka and Alfina with ID but those aren't great odds. Could be argued. Asgard XF sweeps though. 

Ice is Nice: 0-2
Ragnarok: 1-1
Team Perfect: 1-1
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (E Group)
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2016, 11:10:42 PM »
Ice is Nice
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Shu (Atl), Hallec (S3), Worker 8 (FFT)
I dunno ATL but Pyro's stat topic says Scapegoat is basic physicals only, so Shu doesn't appear to really be a factor here with his bodyguard thing out.  This team is just too fair so thinking that even if they somehow manage to off Marle, it won't help in the long run.
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Gilgamesh, Artea (Lufia2), Rose (Lod)
Gilgamesh is weaker in teamfights than the DL (accurate) but "fast status" still too good, especially backed by MT healing from Arty.
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Yuna, Auron
rekt
Nel (SO3), Articuno (PKMN), Marle (CT) vs. Asgard, Zero, Ziggy, Gadget Z
Not super familiar with the enemy team but Elf's argument sounds right.

Ragnarok
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Shu (Atl), Hallec (S3), Worker 8 (FFT)
Plenty of physical damage for W8.
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Gilgamesh, Artea (Lufia2), Rose (Lod)
Gilgy is considerably more hopeless against bosses.  Only way the other team wins this is with massive Arty durability hype + enemy damage antihype, which is not totally impossible, but nah.
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Yuna, Auron
rekt2
Hrist, Ull, Surt  vs. Asgard, Zero, Ziggy, Gadget Z
Probably Ragnarok.  Zero needs to be a hero for the bots to win.

Team Perfect
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Shu (Atl), Hallec (S3), Worker 8 (FFT)
Wakka: lol
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Gilgamesh, Artea (Lufia2), Rose (Lod)
Wugui's GoD doesn't work against dark elemental right?  Spoiled.  I'm not sure I'd even hype it at being targeted which would mean it only has a 1/3 shot of hitting Arty.  Wakka gets statused, Artea throws some MT magic damage out before maybe getting ID'd, Rose goes to work on Alfina...  I don't think Alfina can really threaten here.  So they might lose even with Game of Death targeted hype.
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Yuna, Auron
Aeons are status-immune, right?  Barring specific Aeon-only ID?  Anima is probably dark-elemental anyway.
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Asgard, Zero, Ziggy, Gadget Z
Zero is too important here to vote, for all that Asgard is hoping for T2 ID vs. Wakka.  Zero presumably outspeeds Wakka for one turn at least, which he'll probably immediately go to hyper mode or whatever right?  He'll need to get something good in then, but what do I know.

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (E Group)
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2016, 12:36:18 AM »
I believe that Dark-elemental thing on Wugui wasn't true, but in Rose's case, she blocks ID with a unique equip anyways.
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (E Group)
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2016, 12:58:22 AM »
I'm pretty sure it was tested to be true (Meeple? Super? Both?), though yeah it doesn't matter here. Do note that in-game Yuri goes before Wugui at any reasonable level, and he's the only dark-innate, so if he fuses turn 1 into anything but a dark fusion, this property won't come up.

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (E Group)
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2016, 03:01:04 AM »
Yeah, I had actually confirmed it myself but was too lazy to go and look up my stat topic. Lesson learned!
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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (E Group)
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2016, 07:29:16 AM »
Team Perfect
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Shu (Atl), Hallec (S3), Worker 8 (FFT) - I don't think I can muster up respect for Hallec doing full damage turn 1 with that abysmal movescore of his, I think I do see a full 3 swing attack from Hallec + Shu followup as enough to off Wugui so this kind of does matter but ugh.
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Gilgamesh, Artea (Lufia2), Rose (Lod) - Not sure why Game of Death should be seen as untargetable, for all that it completely fails to matter here as Wugui dies before seeing a turn.
Wakka (FFX), Wugui (SH), Alfina (G3) vs. Yuna, Auron - lol

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (E Group)
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2016, 03:03:24 PM »
Oh yeah, I missed that comment. Game of Death is multitarget! The first time I played I foolishly didn't equip any ID blockers for the fight and game overed immediately.

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Re: Heavy Team Tourney (E Group)
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2016, 02:33:22 PM »
Delaying this for a couple of days due to some IRL stuff; I need more votes!
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