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Proving grounds: Tide's hero rides again (L/M)
« on: September 22, 2016, 01:43:38 AM »
Nergal (FE7)- Everyone's hero, needs no introduction.
Blissey (PKMN)- Bad at offense.
Ramza (FFT) - Sadly, it doesn't seem wrong to put him here.
Cecil (FF4)- See above.

Nergal vs Crono (CT)
Nergal vs Brad (WA2)
Nergal vs Juza (PS4)
Nergal vs Bo (BoF2)
Nergal vs Aika (SoA)
Nergal vs Yukiko (Pers4)
Nergal vs Shu (AtLC)
Nergal vs Knoll (FE8)
Nergal vs Berserker (FF5)
Nergal vs Tricia (SN)
Nergal vs Shady (WA3)
Nergal vs Banon (FF6)


Cecil vs Crono (CT)
Cecil vs Brad (WA2)
Cecil vs Juza (PS4)
Cecil vs Bo (BoF2)
Cecil vs Aika (SoA)
Cecil vs Yukiko (Pers4)
Cecil vs Shu (AtLC)
Cecil vs Knoll (FE8)
Cecil vs Berserker (FF5)
Cecil vs Tricia (SN)
Cecil vs Shady (WA3)
Cecil vs Banon (FF6)

Blissey vs Crono (CT)
Blissey vs Brad (WA2)
Blissey vs Juza (PS4)
Blissey vs Bo (BoF2)
Blissey vs Aika (SoA)
Blissey vs Yukiko (Pers4)
Blissey vs Shu (AtLC)
Blissey vs Knoll (FE8)
Blissey vs Berserker (FF5)
Blissey vs Tricia (SN)
Blissey vs Shady (WA3)
Blissey vs Banon (FF6)

Ramza vs Crono (CT)
Ramza vs Brad (WA2)
Ramza vs Juza (PS4)
Ramza vs Bo (BoF2)
Ramza vs Aika (SoA)
Ramza vs Yukiko (Pers4)
Ramza vs Shu (AtLC)
Ramza vs Knoll (FE8)
Ramza vs Berserker (FF5)
Ramza vs Tricia (SN)
Ramza vs Shady (WA3)
Ramza vs Banon (FF6)
« Last Edit: September 22, 2016, 01:45:17 AM by superaielman »
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Re: Proving grounds: Tide's hero rides again (L/M)
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2016, 11:39:37 AM »
Cecil vs Crono (CT)- Thunder defense+high defense means he should outslug. Crono is so bad against Lightning defense or any kind of healing.
Cecil vs Brad (WA2)- Strong kneejerk. Status arrows can annoy Brad but don't think they will be fatal in time.
Cecil vs Juza (PS4)- Think so? Close fight but Juza's holy weakness should tip it.
Cecil vs Bo (BoF2)- Shot.
Cecil vs Aika (SoA)- Runs Cecil out of healing after a million years. I don't see any way around it (YUCK).
Cecil vs Yukiko (Pers4)- Silence arrows. That is sad.
Cecil vs Shu (AtLC)- Question for Dhyer/Pyro: Can Shu use two time bombs at once? My memory says  no, and I think he needs that to win. E: He can't, goodbye Shu! Time Bomb gets a heal, everything else gets a physical.
Cecil vs Knoll (FE8)- Need to look up to see how you get/who can use Nos in FE8.
Cecil vs Berserker (FF5)- Not giving Beserker judgment calls. 
Cecil vs Tricia (SN)- Wrong typing for Tricia IIRC her matchups correctly.
Cecil vs Shady (WA3)
Cecil vs Banon (FF6)- Could health be silenced? For the millionith time, Cecil wishes the Rune Axe were legal. E: Sure if it's just like cure 2, I'll give Cecil the judgment call.


Cecil is so screwed by the DL. He really wishes I let him pick his Dark Knight form.

Ramza vs Crono (CT)- Crono should 4HKO no matter the equips, and there's no way Ramza is 3HKOing. (Going for an Ultima blitz means losing WR and Crono cruises)
Ramza vs Brad (WA2)- Has enough time to get something nasty off.
Ramza vs Juza (PS4)
Ramza vs Bo (BoF2)- Scream till heal lock. Bo's damage scares no one.
Ramza vs Aika (SoA)- Flame Shield, confuse blocker. Ramza is screaming till heal lock. What the fuck is it with people not being able to stop the mighty SCREAM spam?!
Ramza vs Yukiko (Pers4)- Knight of Ice setup is a go here.
Ramza vs Shu (AtLC)- I think? Kneejerk is that his pdur keeps him afloat long enough here.
Ramza vs Knoll (FE8)- Doubles, 2HKOs, Aegis makes Nos a joke. NEXT.
Ramza vs Berserker (FF5)- Crystal Shield helps but Ramza's offense is just kind of bad at base. I don't think he can 4HKO with Ultima without getting killed first. Pathetic.        
Ramza vs Tricia (SN)- Sword.
Ramza vs Shady (WA3)
Ramza vs Banon (FF6)- Scream till heal lock, won't take long.

Nergal vs Crono (CT)- Probably a OHKO.
Nergal vs Brad (WA2)- Brad's not doubling. Good luck with that!
Nergal vs Juza (PS4)
Nergal vs Bo (BoF2)- Good work Bo, you can't beat Nergal with ID. That is incredibly sad.
Nergal vs Aika (SoA)-Aika can't ever attack (Dropping DS means getting nearly killed and her healing can't keep up with that). There's a theorical argument invovling doubles but yuck.
Nergal vs Yukiko (Pers4)
Nergal vs Shu (AtLC)-Was going to vote Shu but yeah it involves a Time Bomb double.
Nergal vs Knoll (FE8)
Nergal vs Berserker (FF5)- Sure, ITD works.
Nergal vs Tricia (SN)- Nergal getting owned by a teenaged girl with a bow? True to in game at least.
Nergal vs Shady (WA3)
Nergal vs Banon (FF6)- Good work Nergal, you beat up Shady and an old man. I hope you're proud of yourself.

Nergal: 9-3
Cecil: 8-3
Ramza: 7-5
« Last Edit: September 26, 2016, 05:54:14 PM by superaielman »
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Re: Proving grounds: Tide's hero rides again (L/M)
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2016, 03:19:42 PM »
Nergal vs Crono (CT) - Running Swallow, the average of assumptions would favor Nergal... but Crono can run Rainbow instead, doubling and 2HKOing him. ON THE OTHER HAND, Crono gets borderline OHKOed... but then, factoring in Supports, I think Nergal could miss it, it's so on-the-dot. Yeah, sticking with Crono, but entirely scaling-dependant here.
Nergal vs Brad Evans (WA2) - Brad can't double with Lock-on and may not one-round -even if he could-, ASSUMING HE DOUBLES, which he very possibly doesn't. Nergal isn't missing the 2HKO himself.
Nergal vs Juza (PS4) - Juza is actually a rare above average speed PS4 boss and he should have a clear 3HKO at -worst- on Nergal while avoiding counters. Nergal himself... misses the 2HKO. So yeah, clearcut.
Nergal vs Bow (BoF2) - Bow's very unhappy about his ID being tied to a counterable physical and turn 3.
Nergal vs Yukiko Amagi (Pers4) - Middle healers with bad damage really aren't something Nergal fears. She even barely avoids being OHKOed by default, but I feel she's spending a lot of time on the defensive, since she only ever gets to attack when dodging... and she even loses damage and durability from running Miori Shirt rather than Rune Dresses. Yuck.
Nergal vs Shu (AtLC) - OHKO. Shu mdur is a -thing-.
Nergal vs Knoll (FE8) - This is a failfest. Knoll's draining just sucks way too much against Nergal mdef, though, and neither is doubling.
Nergal vs Berserker (FF5) - Oh dear god, ITD damage. I suppose Berserker could miss, which would suck against Nergal, but...
Nergal vs Tricia (SN) - Tricia thanks her stars for how good her typing is against mages. She isn't even 2HKOed, likely one-rounds and she even gets to -counter-... yeah, this is really bad for Nergal.
Nergal vs Shady Thousand (WA3) - Ew.
Nergal vs Banon (FF6) - Banon loses the minute he has to attack. Possibly even before.

7-4.

Cecil Harvey vs Crono (CT) - Lightning res and crappy healing are indeed enough to handle Crono. He could try to play the Rainbow physicals game, but uh doesn't really help much against Cecil of the 1.51x pdur.
Cecil Harvey vs Brad Evans (WA2) - Brad certainly gets to 100 FP well before Cecil kills him, at which point he gets heal-locked... and while Cecil has over 20 shots of healing, he has to heal once for every two Brad physicals, since he can NOT afford to be below full HP when Brad reaches 100 FP range. Odds are he needs to get at least three doubles to get a kill (since he can use the final double to attack twice)... does he get those? I think so, if he can scrape at least a 5-4. And I'm willing to buy at least that much. Pretty sad match, though.
Cecil Harvey vs Juza (PS4) - No, not really. Juza 3HKOs Cecil and is faster, while Cecil doesn't even get up to average damage hitting weakness (PS4 weaknesses = 1.5x damage). Juza himself is close to the 2x PC HP benchmark, so that's just not happening.
Cecil Harvey vs Bow (BoF2) - Cecil doesn't even immune ID? That's just sad.
Cecil Harvey vs Yukiko Amagi (Pers4) - I'll just check out with Silence arrows, even though Yukiko can resist it with a minor damage loss. This match is seven kinds of pathetic.
Cecil Harvey vs Shu (AtLC) - Check please.
Cecil Harvey vs Knoll (FE8) - Urgh.
Cecil Harvey vs Berserker (FF5) - ALL IS LOST. In all seriousness, Cecil is faster and 7HKOs Berserker while Berserker 5HKOs back on average, not accounting for her slight accuracy problems (Berserker -does- have good evade... but Cecil is very accurate, so I don't think that's a big problem). The damage being spiky is a problem, but Cecil on average can afford to alternate healing and attacking, which makes this hard for Berserker to plow through. I suppose she could try running her ID weapon, but then Cecil may not even really -need- to heal, since it's a considerable damage drop. I could obviously go either way, but the average of assumptions may favor him here.
Cecil Harvey vs Tricia (SN) - Now, for a match where Cecil can actually feel like the Heavy people thought he was.
Cecil Harvey vs Shady Thousand (WA3) - How the mighty have fallen.
Cecil Harvey vs Banon (FF6) - Okay, this is just absurdly embarrassing.

6-4. He even can hang around the low echelons of Middle, but god, Cecil is just so shockingly bad in a duel compared to his in-game worth.

Blissey vs Crono (CT) - On average, Blissey just gets 2HKOed by Rainbow Crono and there's no -safe- way to mitigate this. RNG could even favor her, but feels like a bit of a stretch.
Blissey vs Brad Evans (WA2) - I don't think Blissey gets enough time to keep Brad from eventually OHKOing, the base durability is just too awful.
Blissey vs Juza (PS4) - Juza has NO PHYSICAL DAMAGE TO SPEAK OF WHATSOEVER. That never ends well against Blissey.
Blissey vs Bow (BoF2) - Crappy instant death hype engage.
Blissey vs Yukiko Amagi (Pers4) - This is really pathetic. Methinks Yukiko just has the resource edge here, though: bring Diarama along with Diarahan and forgo Agidyne entirely, since her physical is free and deals possibly more damage. She could also attempt to land some status to troll Blissey herself. So uh, I suppose RNG favors her in a match that will take HOURS, but there you go.
Blissey vs Shu (AtLC) - no.
Blissey vs Knoll (FE8) - Knoll doesn't fare much better against Blissey than Nergal did. At absolute worst, Minimize trolls the heck out of Luna.
Blissey vs Berserker (FF5) - Berserker wants either Air Knife or Doom Sickle here, and both honestly suck ass once Blissey's evade game starts paying off. Blissey still struggles to damage Berserker, but uh, after three or four Minimizes, how often is zerky even landing a hit?
Blissey vs Tricia (SN) - I so see Blissey as hitting a type disadvantage against Tricia here.
Blissey vs Shady Thousand (WA3) - Oh lord.
Blissey vs Banon (FF6) - If Yukiko could do this with finite resources, Banon should do it eventually too. In about six or seven years.

4-7. Well, yes.

Ramza Beoulve vs Crono (CT) - White Robe does sorta troll Crono, but then Ramza just gets outslugged by the Rainbow setup... and honestly, he might be even straight off. Ramza offense not great.
Ramza Beoulve vs Brad Evans (WA2) - Well, Ramza 4-3s Brad... but only 5HKOs at best. Meanwhile, I can't imagine Brad failing to 3HKO himself.
Ramza Beoulve vs Juza (PS4) - Pretty bad.
Ramza Beouve vs Bow (BoF2) - I wish I could just throw Elfboy at this fight and shrug this off.
Ramza Beoulve vs Yukiko Amagi (Pers4) - Flame Shield => Ice Brand => salty tears.
Ramza Beoulve vs Shu (AtLC) - EDIT: Shu mdur is enough of a thing to make Ultima viable possibly even without MAG twinking. If it worked for Berserker...
Ramza Beoulve vs Knoll (FE8) - I usually don't respect Aegis Shield all that much, but a single miss is likely enough to seal the deal.
Ramza Beoulve vs Berserker (FF5) - This is actually kinda simple? Ramza tweaks his equips for MAG and evade, runs Ultima and 4HKOs Berserker. Damage spikiness could cause some problems, but on average I think he has this.
Ramza Beoulve vs Tricia (SN) - Typing.
Ramza Beoulve vs Shady Thousand (WA3) - Good lord.
Ramza Beoulve vs Banon (FF6) - Welp, Scream spamming actually works here!

7-3.
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Re: Proving grounds: Tide's hero rides again (L/M)
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2016, 07:13:19 PM »
Nergal vs Crono (CT) - Honestly supports are such a pain to build that I'm not inclined to consider them... but I don't think it matters anyways, the 2HKOing is quite sound and Nergal only OHKOs himself if you take averages at like 20/12 or something.
Nergal vs Brad (WA2) - e: Actually no, Brad uses Lock-on SKY EYE here, which doesn't need much more FP than Mini-Scud and doesn't do much worse for damage (i.e. still 2HKOs), and is MT so avoids counters.  Since Nergal has to attack like an idiot here anyways, Brad should easily get enough FP for a second.
Nergal vs Juza (PS4) - Probably 2HKOs while avoiding counters, may not even need this.
Nergal vs Bow (BoF2)
Nergal vs Yukiko (Pers4) - As usual I don't consider HT in the averages, so while Yukiko is probably below average damage here it's likely not by so much that she botches the 3HKO and will probably dodge the one of two hits anyways thanks to miori shirt evade, using that instead of rune dress shouldn't be much of a drop, and when in doubt I kneejerk against Nergal accuracy.
Nergal vs Shu (AtLC) - OHKOs
Nergal vs Knoll (FE8) - Knoll likely wishes FE8 Luna didn't blow goats
Nergal vs Berserker (FF5) - Axes piercing defense works here.
Nergal vs Tricia (SN) - Fuckin' rip.
Nergal vs Shady (WA3) - ah, no.
Nergal vs Banon (FF6) - Nope.

Cecil vs Crono (CT) - Cura and Lightning res is enough.
Cecil vs Brad (WA2) - I do buy the 5-4.
Cecil vs Juza (PS4) - Is a PS4 boss, so shouldn't be 3HKO'd by Cecil.
Cecil vs Bo (BoF2) - urgh
Cecil vs Yukiko (Pers4) - Yukiko really wishes P4 had storebought status blocking as opposed to halving, seven kinds of pathetic indeed.
Cecil vs Shu (AtLC) - Pass.
Cecil vs Knoll (FE8) - god, get some fucking damage Cecil
Cecil vs Berserker (FF5) - i don't think i have the heart for this
Cecil vs Tricia (SN) - Well at least he has free wins against SN archers.  Then again melee against SN archers is kind of like kicking puppies.
Cecil vs Shady (WA3) - durability should tip, if nothing else.
Cecil vs Banon (FF6) - I don't believe silence hits Health, could be wrong.

Blissey vs Crono (CT) - uh possibly
Blissey vs Brad (WA2) - uh.
Blissey vs Juza (PS4) - probably, yeah, Juza has no physical damage
Blissey vs Bo (BoF2) - Thank goodness, instant death.
Blissey vs Yukiko (Pers4) - Huh, guess it does work out for her somehow
Blissey vs Shu (AtLC) - no
Blissey vs Knoll (FE8) - Minimize.
Blissey vs Berserker (FF5) - uh
Blissey vs Tricia (SN)
Blissey vs Shady (WA3) - Shady damage against a magic tank.
Blissey vs Banon (FF6) - I'm not sure how Banon realistically loses this.

Ramza vs Crono (CT) - Hmm even if it's evadeable Confuse is still a threat.  He might be able to power through this anyways but I'm just not sure.
Ramza vs Brad (WA2) - Should outslug.
Ramza vs Juza (PS4) - Ugh Juza goes first and probably can be argued to get around Aegis Shield with his best damage anyways and no.
Ramza vs Bo (BoF2) - I'll bite
Ramza vs Yukiko (Pers4) - Man even if you don't see P4 weakness hitting doing its thing here Flame Shield makes Yukiko's life utterly miserable
Ramza vs Shu (AtLC) - Sure, I guess, Shu MDef is a thing.
Ramza vs Knoll (FE8) - See Tide.
Ramza vs Berserker (FF5) - Probably.
Ramza vs Tricia (SN) - SN type matching rears its ugly head.
Ramza vs Shady (WA3) - Surely.
Ramza vs Banon (FF6) - Gives Ramza too much time.
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Re: Proving grounds: Tide's hero rides again (L/M)
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2016, 11:02:52 PM »
Nergal vs Crono (CT)
Nergal vs Brad (WA2)
Nergal vs Juza (PS4)
Nergal vs Bo (BoF2)
Nergal vs Aika (SoA)
Nergal vs Yukiko (Pers4)
Nergal vs Shu (AtLC)- novote
Nergal vs Knoll (FE8)
Nergal vs Berserker (FF5)
Nergal vs Tricia (SN)
Nergal vs Shady (WA3)
Nergal vs Banon (FF6)- I'm... just going to assume Banon only gets to attack on miss and on an infinitely long timeline Nergal crits or something before Banon actually gets that many attacks off.

7-4

Cecil vs Crono (CT)
Cecil vs Brad (WA2)
Cecil vs Juza (PS4)
Cecil vs Bo (BoF2)
Cecil vs Aika (SoA)- So I feel like I have to point this out.  Cecil's healing wipes out about three Aika physicals and is more healing than any of her damage moves can put out.  He can do this 25 times.  Aika only heals every third turn and has 26 shots of that.  So they'd both sit there healing every fourth turn or so and run out of MP around the same time at which point Cecil wins... except Aika can restore her MP.  I think this might be the first match I've ever seen where Epsilon Shield was decisive.
Cecil vs Yukiko (Pers4)
Cecil vs Shu (AtLC)- no vote
Cecil vs Knoll (FE8)
Cecil vs Berserker (FF5)
Cecil vs Tricia (SN)
Cecil vs Shady (WA3)
Cecil vs Banon (FF6)

6-5

Blissey vs Crono (CT)-  Kills through healing on turn 3.  Kills in spite of Charm on turn 2.  Blissey has to win the confuse coin-toss on turn 2 to life and given Sweet Kiss can miss itself...
Blissey vs Brad (WA2)
Blissey vs Juza (PS4)
Blissey vs Bo (BoF2)
Blissey vs Aika (SoA)
Blissey vs Yukiko (Pers4)
Blissey vs Shu (AtLC)- No vote.
Blissey vs Knoll (FE8)
Blissey vs Berserker (FF5)
Blissey vs Tricia (SN)- Basically see Crono.
Blissey vs Shady (WA3)
Blissey vs Banon (FF6)

5-6

Ramza vs Crono (CT)-  mm.  Ramza kills in four turns, Crono 3HKOs with Confuse at max speed.  He can get 5 turns before then but it's pretty coinflippy if he lands the 3/5 he needs for the kill.
Ramza vs Brad (WA2)
Ramza vs Juza (PS4)
Ramza vs Bo (BoF2)
Ramza vs Aika (SoA)
Ramza vs Yukiko (Pers4)
Ramza vs Shu (AtLC)- No vote
Ramza vs Knoll (FE8)
Ramza vs Berserker (FF5)- and twice today BERSERKER wishes he was ITE, not ITD.
Ramza vs Tricia (SN)
Ramza vs Shady (WA3)
Ramza vs Banon (FF6)

9-2
« Last Edit: September 23, 2016, 12:48:55 AM by Cmdr_King »
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Re: Proving grounds: Tide's hero rides again (L/M)
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2016, 11:25:50 PM »
Votans because my hero, Nergal is in this field. What an amazing unit.

Nergal vs Crono (CT) - Probably OHKOs.
Nergal vs Brad (WA2) - Kneejerk is what Snow said. Brad can't Double Lock On and probably won't double. On the other hand, I certainly buy Random's argument and would vote against Nergal because giving Nergal initiative when he never moves in game is lolno.
Nergal vs Yukiko (Pers4) - P4G wins that one by using Matarunda into Mudoon to eventually ID. P4 vanilla probably loses is my kneejerk, HT be damned. I don't buy Miori Shirt evade working well enough for Yukiko to really ever get a chance to go on offense. And as soon as the 3 turns is up, she's toast.
Nergal vs Knoll (FE8) - Pretty much what Snow and Random said yeah. Knoll doesn't have the good version of Luna to win through offense and his Nos draining is too crappy against Nergal's MDef. Kind of amazing.
Nergal vs Berserker (FF5) - HAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT. SUPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!!
Nergal vs Shady (WA3) - Incredibly large difference in the damage scale. Even if Shady doubles.
Nergal vs Banon (FF6) - Well Banon gets owned if he ever takes any offensive action at all, so...

5-2. As always, Nergal's matches *are* an amazing Tide-approved flaming trainwreck. But it's all right, everything is all right. Tide has won the victory over himself and loves the Nergal. 

Blissey vs Crono (CT) - I'm not sure. Crono is probably fast enough to double and sling enough physicals to put down Blissey before it has a chance for any of its chicanery. But IIRC, his damage isn't notably impressive and he runs into serious resource issues IF Blissey does get going. Tentative Crono vote, for all that I can see it go the other way.
Blissey vs Brad (WA2) - Very strong kneejerk. I guess Blissey could Sing and try to accumulate damage that way, but Sing has like 55% accuracy or something. Minimize won't work with Lock On and she doesn't have the offense to take out Brad before running out of resources. While Brad has limited cartridges, he's probably more than content to sit on them and wait for Lock On.
Blissey vs Yukiko (Pers4) - EDIT: Actually, thinking on it, this is very similar to Blissey vs. Banon, except for the fact that Yukiko's resources are finite. However, if she withholds on casting Agidyne, she can realistically just cast Diaharan instead and attempt to run Blissey out of offensive PP. Even though Blissey can do massive trolling through Minimize evasion, at some point, she has to attack and her damage is so pitiful that the only real way she can win without getting outresourced is for Sleep to hit and then slap Yukiko to death in the random duration it lasts. Given how low HP that likely is, she will probably run out of PP before Yukiko runs out of SP healing herself. TWICE in this pool, we come to pathetic slap matches that literally take ages. SUPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!
Blissey vs Knoll (FE8) - WHY IS THIS MATCH HAPPENING AGAIN? SUPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER!!!!
Blissey vs Berserker (FF5) - Pretty sure Axes had bad accuracy or something? Either way, this is also pathetic.
Blissey vs Shady (WA3) - :(
Blissey vs Banon (FF6) - See Yukiko; I derped :V

3-4. This fucking field...

Ramza vs Crono (CT) - Ramza needing to guard his shoddy MDef with Aegis/White Robe means Crono can use a physical set and power through before he gets going.
Ramza vs Brad (WA2) - Probably. Ramza's kind of a bad middle when he can't monkey around with equips to give him an advantage.
Ramza vs Yukiko (Pers4) - Ice Brand/Flame Shield or Ice Brand/Aegis Shield are both awful combos for Yukiko. She has to hope her first few Agidynes can put Ramza down and in both cases, she'll likely lose 1 out of the 3 turns if she's equipped with Miori. On the other hand, as soon as Ramza lands a physical, it's over.
Ramza vs Knoll (FE8) - I...uh. If you allow N-kai's resist properties, Ramza cruises. If not, it gets a little more interesting. Ramza can still equip Aegis to mess up Knoll's hit rates something fierce and if he equips for HP, he should be able to last long enough to buff himself and win. I'm willing to give Ramza the bone here on the N-kai just because he's so undervalued in the DL and Knoll is so bad in-game >_>.
Ramza vs Berserker (FF5) - Crystal Shield + a Mantle likely gives Ramza the time he needs. Berserker isn't fast so Ramza should be able to take advantage of the speed difference to win the slugfest methinks.
Ramza vs Shady (WA3) - Flame Shield wrecks Shady pretty badly ;_;.
Ramza vs Banon (FF6) - Gives Ramza all the time in the world.

5-2. Jesus.

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Re: Proving grounds: Tide's hero rides again (L/M)
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2016, 04:36:11 AM »

Cecil vs Crono (CT): Lightning resist and physically tanky
Cecil vs Juza (PS4); Hits weakness, yay.  Juza still blows him up faster unless one handicaps him to in-game AI.
Cecil vs Berserker (FF5): Both have decent evade.  Only one can heal.
Cecil vs Shady (WA3): Ice breath is non-elemental due to coding oversight.  And hits the weaker defense.  Still lacks damage.
Cecil vs Banon (FF6): Don't see silence stopping Health.  Banon's damage is so low, Cecil will likely land a lucky string of Sleep sword hits before running out of healing.

Ramza vs Crono (CT); Slice and dice with the Rainbow
Ramza vs Juza (PS4): Melts with Forceflash before Ramza can get going
Ramza vs Berserker (FF5); Equal physical evade on each side so it's a wash.  Ultima laughs at evasion and makes this a decisive Ramza win.
Ramza vs Shady (WA3): Shady lacks damage output, the sequel.
Ramza vs Banon (FF6): Ramza's ideal opponent: one who gives him plenty of time to buff

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Re: Proving grounds: Tide's hero rides again (L/M)
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2016, 05:52:13 PM »
Snow: Should Ultima let Ramza beat Shu? His MDef is so wretchedly bad, and it isn't like Ramza can't afford to twink for magic there.
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Re: Proving grounds: Tide's hero rides again (L/M)
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2016, 06:03:33 PM »
It... probably does. It raises the question of how well Ramza can circumvent Time Bomb, but it having a wind-up turn to begin with does not help at all.
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Re: Proving grounds: Tide's hero rides again (L/M)
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2016, 09:14:22 PM »
Nergal vs Crono (CT) - eeeeh I'll buy the argument, sure.
Nergal vs Brad (WA2) - Random's argument works
Nergal vs Juza (PS4) - fuck if I remember who Juza is
Nergal vs Bo (BoF2) - splat
Nergal vs Aika (SoA) - splat, lol DS in a duel. ...unless...can she run him out of his tome uses with DS? Is that a thing that can happen? I...don't know. Assuming not, he eventually wins.
Nergal vs Yukiko (Pers4) - Want to say she can just dodge counters with MT
Nergal vs Shu (AtLC)- splat
Nergal vs Knoll (FE8) - splat
Nergal vs Berserker (FF5) - yeah, Nergal's durability is entirely from his Def not from his HP. Axe, face, etc.
Nergal vs Tricia (SN) - Her type matchup is super good vs mages, isn't it?
Nergal vs Shady (WA3) - splat
Nergal vs Banon (FF6)- splat

Cecil vs Crono (CT) - Can Crono make any kind of real damage stick here?
Cecil vs Brad (WA2) - I...guess? generally more respect for Cecil
Cecil vs Juza (PS4)
Cecil vs Bo (BoF2) - Oh yeah, dogbro has ID doesn't he? RIP
Cecil vs Aika (SoA) - his healing is finite, hers is not. And...he doesn't have the offense to kill fast enough
Cecil vs Yukiko (Pers4) - kneejerk disrespect for status arrows
Cecil vs Shu (AtLC) - can't double timebomb? kay
Cecil vs Knoll (FE8) - knoll disrespect kicking in, sorry.
Cecil vs Berserker (FF5) - can cecil kill before doom sickle ID kicks in? I...want to say yes
Cecil vs Tricia (SN) - her type matchup against knights on the other hand....
Cecil vs Shady (WA3) - shady is a free win for most
Cecil vs Banon (FF6)- . . .

Blissey vs Crono (CT) - I'm just gonna give this to crono without thinking about it too hard. Crits + speed or something.
Blissey vs Brad (WA2) - lock on ruins the stall game
Blissey vs Juza (PS4)
Blissey vs Bo (BoF2) - the fucking shitty ID. Again.
Blissey vs Aika (SoA) - confuse lock forever with swirlmarang or something
Blissey vs Yukiko (Pers4) - has the resources to outlast, even with minimize hell
Blissey vs Shu (AtLC) - kneejerk shu disrespect
Blissey vs Knoll (FE8) - minmize hell surely beats even SUMMONER KNOLL trying the skeleton army to hit the shitty pdef
Blissey vs Berserker (FF5) - minimize hell lets blissey kill before the ID connects, surely.
Blissey vs Tricia (SN) - Wasn't tricia pretty accurate?
Blissey vs Shady (WA3)
Blissey vs Banon (FF6) - litterally infinite healing, just does nothing but spam Health and wait for Blissey to kill itself. The struggle is real.

Ramza vs Crono (CT)- Ramza doesn't need White Robe AND Aegis I think. But...I'm not sure WR + a phys blocking shield still lets him win.
Ramza vs Brad (WA2) - no real way to avoid getting wrekt here
Ramza vs Juza (PS4)
Ramza vs Bo (BoF2) - gonna agree with super on this one. And Bow's cruddy ID won't carry the day this time
Ramza vs Aika (SoA) - I'm sure he can block confuse, and he just outslugs
Ramza vs Yukiko (Pers4) - equip shenanigans
Ramza vs Shu (AtLC) - sure, I'll buy ultima working
Ramza vs Knoll (FE8) - aegis tilts it
Ramza vs Berserker (FF5) - evade, surely.
Ramza vs Tricia (SN) - tricia vs fighters
Ramza vs Shady (WA3) - shady.txt
Ramza vs Banon (FF6) - screaming at old men is surely the way to victory
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Re: Proving grounds: Tide's hero rides again (L/M)
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2016, 05:31:25 AM »
Nergal vs Crono (CT)
Nergal vs Brad (WA2):
Nergal vs Juza (PS4)
Nergal vs Bo (BoF2)
Nergal vs Aika (SoA)
Nergal vs Yukiko (Pers4)
Nergal vs Shu (AtLC)
Nergal vs Knoll (FE8): ITD does things to Nergal. Amazing and wonderful things.
Nergal vs Berserker (FF5)
Nergal vs Tricia (SN): Typing
Nergal vs Shady (WA3)
Nergal vs Banon (FF6)


Cecil vs Crono (CT)
Cecil vs Brad (WA2): Once he has enough FP he can just overwhelm Cecil's Healing with Lock On's
Cecil vs Juza (PS4)
Cecil vs Bo (BoF2)
Cecil vs Aika (SoA): I guess?
Cecil vs Yukiko (Pers4): healing...
Cecil vs Shu (AtLC): Oh my. Um... Sure, Shu can't heal.
Cecil vs Knoll (FE8)
Cecil vs Berserker (FF5)
Cecil vs Tricia (SN): Better slugger.
Cecil vs Shady (WA3): Shady.
Cecil vs Banon (FF6): Eventually wins with crits/doubles.

To 'take off' on the buffing game, Blissey needs to not be 2HKOd through 64% (the first hit) and then 96% *%HP remaining (second hit). An average physical will just barely do this. But then Blissey is also susceptible to doubles and her healing is only 50%, so is easily overwhelmed. In practice she loses to all but the most incompetent physicallers.
Blissey vs Crono (CT): KOs easily.
Blissey vs Brad (WA2): Will KO before Chancey can buff the durability to something significant.
Blissey vs Juza (PS4): all magic.
Blissey vs Bo (BoF2): Above averagish physical damage.
Blissey vs Aika (SoA)
Blissey vs Yukiko (Pers4): Wayyyy more healing.
Blissey vs Shu (AtLC): L2 Time Bomb -> Charge -> Phys -> KO?
Blissey vs Knoll (FE8)
Blissey vs Berserker (FF5)
Blissey vs Tricia (SN)
Blissey vs Shady (WA3)
Blissey vs Banon (FF6)

Ramza vs Crono (CT)
Ramza vs Brad (WA2): Lock on is ITE.
Ramza vs Juza (PS4)
Ramza vs Bo (BoF2)
Ramza vs Aika (SoA)
Ramza vs Yukiko (Pers4)
Ramza vs Shu (AtLC): Magic hype?
Ramza vs Knoll (FE8)
Ramza vs Berserker (FF5)
Ramza vs Tricia (SN)
Ramza vs Shady (WA3)
Ramza vs Banon (FF6)