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Futurama 2016 Week 3
« on: December 20, 2016, 12:47:33 AM »
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Jack Russel (Radiata Stories) vs Ice Queen Avril (Wild ARMs 5)
Reicher (Mana Khemia 2: The Fall of Alchemy) vs Walter (The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC)
Protea (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) vs Aeterna (I Am Setsuna)
Rorolina Frixel (Atelier Rorona: The Alchemist of Arland) vs Cress Albane (Tales of Phantasia)

Heavy

Nash Latkje (Suikoden III) vs Marisa (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones)
White Fiend (Lunar: Eternal Blue) vs Martym Noumous (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
Estelle Bright (The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Demi (Phantasy Star IV: End of the Millennium)
Edea Kramer (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Zatanna (Justice League Heroes)

Middle

Shante (Arc the Lad II) vs Daoros (Shadow Hearts: From the New World)
Chameleon Man (Wild ARMs 3) vs White Mage (Final Fantasy V)
Jiro (Blue Dragon) vs Tio (Grandia II)
Umbreon (Pokémon) vs Black Mage (Final Fantasy Dimensions)

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Onix (Pokémon) vs Jakob (Fire Emblem Fates)
Riddel (Chrono Cross) vs Io Nitta (Devil Survivor 2)
Tim Rhymeless (Wild ARMs 2) vs Camille (Celestian Tale: Old North)
Mack (Lost Odyssey) vs Judith (Tales of Vesperia)
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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2016, 12:50:56 AM »
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Nash Latkje (Suikoden III) vs Marisa (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones)- Ranged healing, good durability. Think it's enough.
White Fiend (Lunar: Eternal Blue) vs Martym Noumous (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2016, 01:24:04 AM »
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Reicher (Mana Khemia 2: The Fall of Alchemy) vs Walter (The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC) - Bit too much for Walter to chew through, the timed spheres do their grisly work.
Protea (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) vs Aeterna (I Am Setsuna) - It's hard to argue with a slap to the face

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Nash Latkje (Suikoden III) vs Marisa (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones) - Sure.
White Fiend (Lunar: Eternal Blue) vs Martym Noumous (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together) - Think so, as with Knight, White Fiend's ice resist isn't doing Martym any favors, but unlike Knight White Fiend isn't triggering counters or giving Martym TP with its offense with which to use Rending Gale.
Estelle Bright (The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Demi (Phantasy Star IV: End of the Millennium) - Yeah I'm pretty sure there's no reasonable view that sees Estelle healstalling out of this one, certainly none that I'm likely to take.  And of course ell oh fuckin' ell to considering ~random turn bonuses~.

Middle

Shante (Arc the Lad II) vs Daoros (Shadow Hearts: From the New World) - Shante's not really exploiting that bad HP well enough here.
Chameleon Man (Wild ARMs 3) vs White Mage (Final Fantasy V)

Light

Onix (Pokémon) vs Jakob (Fire Emblem Fates) - Kneejerk.  Bind strats don't really work here, so the counters likely take it.  I mean 3x Screech means it's not a sure thing by any stretch of the imagination since on the surface that means it's kind of like Umbreon vs. Setsuna again, only without Confuse Ray, but Steel Dagger debuffs can't be doing Gen1 Onix's base offense any favors (and Jakob can likely juggle Silver and some other weapon to sneak in the occasional double at some point) even so, I'm not inclined to hype Harden as a productive use of time against someone with a defense debuff attached to his damage considering how that would work out in Onix's own game, and as far as I'm concerned for now Gen2+ Onix is Steelix.
Riddel (Chrono Cross) vs Io Nitta (Devil Survivor 2) - Has a sufficiently active pulse.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2016, 09:35:35 PM by Random Consonant »

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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2016, 05:14:15 AM »
Reicher (Mana Khemia 2: The Fall of Alchemy) vs Walter (The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC)
No MK2, but Walter's attack debuff is quite potent, and either stacks with or overrides your own buffs, making anything physical that isn't an S-Craft deal 1 damage.  And Reicher is all-physical.  Of course, if Timed Spheres aren't effected by debuffs, it's pretty well moot.
Protea (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) vs Aeterna (I Am Setsuna)
No Wizard of Oz but Magic Thunder dispel on a status-immune double-acter?  That's about as unwinnable an opponent for Aeterna to get as possible.

Heavy

Nash Latkje (Suikoden III) vs Marisa (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones)
Nash is multi-hitty, so evasion is basically just defense.  Marisa has .92 PDur and 61% raw evasion.  Nash apparently is slightly less accurate than usual when not equipped for Accuracy but can be slightly more accurate if he equips the skill.  Dunno, say it balances out, so Marisa has ~2.36 PDur when evasion is baked in.   Nash deals ~.42 PCHP without missing, so 6HKOs.  He's faster than average, too, although is of course doubled anyway.
So, if Nash never heals, that means Marisa gets 10 Shamsir hits in at overkill accuracy to deal with Nash's own evasion.  Silencer has a ~23% chance of proc'ing each time, so yeah, when Nash's need to heal is baked in, she should have plenty of time to get Silencer off, even if her accuracy & evade is slightly disrespected.
White Fiend (Lunar: Eternal Blue) vs Martym Noumous (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
Hits the right defense.
Estelle Bright (The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Demi (Phantasy Star IV: End of the Millennium)
In the realm of theory-crafting, to the extent this is a stall-off, Estelle can charge up for a Morale'd 200 CP S-Break if she needs to bust past Demi's healing.  That should kill nearly anything under 50 CP and still leave a mark under a 100 CP interp.  If you want to get real fancy, there's taking into account the surprise bonus turns, which will favor Estelle in the long-run since she can guarantee herself a critical hit turn if it ever comes up.

Middle

Chameleon Man (Wild ARMs 3) vs White Mage (Final Fantasy V)
Image.

Light

Onix (Pokémon) vs Jakob (Fire Emblem Fates)
I dunno.  Onix might be doubled, but he resists the Flame Shuriken and Steel Shuriken probably just bounces off.  Probably Jakob but might turn based on "which Pokemoves can be countered" interps.
EDIT: See below.  Sandstorm / Dig.
EDIT EDIT: Never mind, Steel Shuriken hits a weakness here, that should be enough to make physical stratz work after all.
Riddel (Chrono Cross) vs Io Nitta (Devil Survivor 2)
Riddel: .92 PCHP, and post SnakeSkin, 1.15 PDur & 1.70 Mdur.  W/ a shot of 57% health healing if none of the healing is 'wasted', 1.81 PDur & 2.67 MDur to grind through.
Io: 0.81 PDur

Riddel barely 5HKOs Io and needs to open with her buff and probably use a heal, so she wins in 7 turns.  (Probably more like 5-6 turns if given elements.)  She's also faster, though.  She probably 7:6s Io.
Io deals ~.51 PCHP damage on average, so kills via magic in 6 turns.  Which...  isn't enough due to speed problems, at least if CC characters get credit for good Stamina.  She can use Berserk, though, to hit Riddel's weaker defense...  nah, that still like 6HKOs when the healing is included, BUT at the cost of a ton of HP.
Riddel's reign of staff beats through helpless enemy mages continues, perhaps?
Tim Rhymeless (Wild ARMs 2) vs Camille (Celestian Tale: Old North)
I thought this would be an infinite match due to Stamina max limits, but hey, Camille actually can OHKO w/ the Jade Earring setup.  Defend->OHKO on turn 2. 
« Last Edit: December 21, 2016, 08:27:06 PM by SnowFire »

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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2016, 05:52:46 AM »
Riddel having a 7-6 here is giving both games more speed credit than they honestly deserve since 11 stamina isn't actually meaningful compared to 10 when straight attacking (or spending a turn doing nothing except using a tech) and DS2 Agl has nothing to do with actual turn order (and I don't think Al's ~hidden bonus~ in that regard is actually so large as to make a difference here), instead being something more akin to SMRPG speed.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2016, 06:24:35 AM by Random Consonant »

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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2016, 01:51:39 PM »
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Edea Kramer (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Zatanna (Justice League Heroes) - Even if Edea was vulnerable to Slow, Death is turn 1 and is insta-GG. Zatanna has nothing to stop this - ID gets through Protect in her game.

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Chameleon Man (Wild ARMs 3) vs White Mage (Final Fantasy V) - White Mage subscribes to the tenants of Laggyism and thus is aware of RICHARD and backstabs first. Also, some status called 'Image'.

Light
Onix (Pokémon) vs Jakob (Fire Emblem Fates) - No idea. I suspect form choice matters as well since Onix probably has a gen version with Sandstorm and defense buffing so as to avoid provoking counters but I'll leave this to like Dhyer and NEB to figure out.
Riddel (Chrono Cross) vs Io Nitta (Devil Survivor 2) - Yeah, I agree with Random. Not sure how much I gave Riddel credit for a stat that doesn't directly govern speed. So they both 6HKO each other or something except Riddel needs to spend extra turns doing things that she can't afford to.
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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2016, 09:08:42 PM »
Yeah, CC speed & stamina are a bucket of headaches, to be sure.  Not entirely sure how much I respect it myself, but eh, I'm willing to give it some credit, and I'm okay with tiebreaking toward Riddel since the no-storebought-elements part of the DL is pretty harsh on her to begin with.  (Riddel: Be a slow, frail mage and get an interesting match!  Otherwise win easily.)

For Onix: Holy crap, I think Onix might win, good catch by Tide on Sandstorm.  I'm not sure how much I hype weird Pokemon moveset shuffling, but Sandstorm / Dig strats are hilarious here, and Dig's drawback is largely undone by free Sandstorm damage turns + fewer counters.  Flame Shuriken is like .12 PCHP damage normally, or .06 after fire resistance, or .04 after Sandstorm...   maybe bump it up a *little* from the Res debuff, but that damage is just too insanely trashy, Jakob is going to need like 15 hits to win or something silly, and Flame Shuriken hurts his evade, too.

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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2016, 06:57:56 PM »
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Nash Latkje (Suikoden III) vs Marisa (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones): Nash is accurate (very good SKL) which drops Marisa's evade to about 40%, but her +7 luck drops his average damage to about ~680 = 38% to average = 41% to Marisa. He kills in four or five attacks, thus (it's very close either way), and has a 7-6 if it comes to that. Nash has evade of his own so Marisa probably wants all the hit she can muster, one miss is bad news. But Marisa is very accurate it seems, Silver Sword two-rounds nicely which keeps Nash heal-locked until he evades (turn 4). Still, that might not be good enough, Nash's healing should last long enough in that case for three dodges/doubleturns? So... yeah, Shamshir it is. THis is nasty for Nash, because two hits heal-locks for a hit+crit to be fatal. His evade rises to 14% now, which helps, but even so Marisa's going to get Silencer around turn 5 to me. Even if he 4HKOs, he wold need to heal no more than once which pretty much requires Marisa never crit in her first four turns (or for him to survive two hits + one crit and her to miss as often as she crits). And he may not 4HKO. And also wow, his luck is horrendous; he hopes that doesn't matter.

White Fiend (Lunar: Eternal Blue) vs Martym Noumous (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together): The thing that makes Martym so dumb is that while magic doesn't give him TP, it also struggles to do any sort of real damage to him whatsoever. Maybe if you give WF's buffing credit for overcoming defence, but at base he does 9% to Martym with Crystal Stasis, while Martym does 12% to WF with his physical since only the ice half is resisted. WF can buff his damage 50% with a field effect, but that also buffs Martym's damage 12.5%. And his other buff adds 44% to his own damage. If it's seen as ITD, he may take this, but I dunno how I feel about that. Martym is going to get off Rending Gale which does 41% or so and thus he kills in 6 turns, so you pretty much need to see the buff overcoming defences very directly. And... I'm not sure I do. Bah, abstain for now, will think on it.

Estelle Bright (The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Demi (Phantasy Star IV: End of the Millennium): Barrier + Ice resistance makes Estelle chipping kinda awful, she does 9% with her physical and the max she can do is 71% (83% once she reaches 200 CP), so a 5HKO / 3HKO after 200 CP. Meanwhile Demi 3HKOs from the getgo, and has more healing, and is faster.

Middle

Chameleon Man (Wild ARMs 3) vs White Mage (Final Fantasy V): Carefully planned backstabs are no match for Image.

Jiro (Blue Dragon) vs Tio (Grandia II): Erase keeps Whisper to the Stars under control. Otherwise, Tio only 3HKOs and Jiro's healing consumes less MP than her damage consumes SP, so he's gonna take this even with her frequent doubles (constant 3-2 or so).

Umbreon (Pokémon) vs Black Mage (Final Fantasy Dimensions): Break. Umbreon damage sucks and Confuse isn't that good, he needs Safeguard for this.

Light

Onix (Pokémon) vs Jakob (Fire Emblem Fates): Onix wants to Screech twice, then 2HKO with Slam. Between the inaccuracy of those moves they both miss once each, so 6 turns total, triggering 2 counters. But... Jakob doubles Onix following Silver Shuriken debuffing. So in total he'll get one opening attack, then five more of his own turns + 2 counters, all doubled = 190 damage, easily killing Onix. Heck, he doesn't even need the counters, which is good because it saves me worrying about Bind hype. And this is all without hyping any sort of STEEL against Onix, and assuming he resists everything Onix does. (Also no Flame Shuriken due to Conquest default.) I guess I didn't consider Harden like Random I doubt I consider that productive here.

Tim Rhymeless (Wild ARMs 2) vs Camille (Celestian Tale: Old North): Hm, yep, 78% damage turn 2.
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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2016, 08:24:23 PM »
...right, forgot that Steel > Rock (?!), that obviously makes sense.  Well Rock types hate Fire Emblem forever, I guess.

I dunno too much about antihyping Harden strats, though.  -3 Def or so is quite minor by FEFates endgame unless it's against the likes of Benny.  That said, I don't think it matters - looks like Jakob's Steel Shuriken is ~.17 PCHP, or .35 PCHP doubled, or .70 PCHP after hitting weakness.  Even with Onix being pretty tanky (Gen4 topic lists Steelix at 2.15 PDur, presumably Onix vs. an average including other evolites would be similar), that's too much for Harden strats to work in time.

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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2016, 08:40:40 PM »
The problem is that in FE, shuriken debuffs overwrite any previous buff/debuff, and in Pokemon, spamming a +1 defence buff against a defence-lowering effect that also damages is a losing bargain. Like yes if you see the two operating on wholly different scales (which would be fair) then Harden may be worth it, but I'm not inclined to; in both games, buffs and debuffs are not indepedendent.

(English note: I hate that I had to say "not independent" there, but "dependent" doesn't convey my meaning properly...)

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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2016, 09:18:17 PM »
Mmm..  not really how I'd interpret it?  In Fates, only buffs of the exact same type will "overwrite" themselves.  Meal, Pair-Up, & equip buffs never get overwritten by anything and just sit there.  Rally & Fancy Footwork (vs. Dagger/Shurikens/Seal X/Draconic Hex = "Weakened") are the closest to Pokemon buffing, I guess.  Basically debuffs are all "Weakened" class and might "overwrite" each other if the new debuff is better, but they'll never overwrite buff types.  And it's pretty obscure to notice this on Rallies; it basically means double Rallying the same type doesn't do anything, with weaker Rally buffs beaten by a stronger Rally effect only happening if you have the DLC Grandmaster class, as far as I know.  (Rally Spectrum being +2 to all stats).

Example (I happened to have been hit by a Silver Shuriken recently anyway):
https://goo.gl/photos/2JhckKJdpjhP7JZS8
Note that the Rally effect didn't remove the "Weakened" debuff.

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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2016, 10:15:25 PM »
Hm okay I thought that shuriken did remove rallies, that certainly helps Harden's case.

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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2016, 11:53:53 PM »
Yeah I was going to say that's why the opposite view was reasonable enough in the first place (since you could argue that the two wouldn't interact with each other in that way, but honestly other interpretations would likely involve more work, and fuck that, it's Onix), but I think what decides the issue here for me is not only is the one-stage buff vs damage-with-one-stage debuff scenario openly never work out for the pokemon that is straight buffing (if Onix had a two-stage defense buff we probably wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place) but also that Rally vs. shuriken debuffs is at least -kind- of similar in that the rallier needs to spend a turn rallying to reapply the buff as opposed to doing something like stopping the other guy from thowing things at them while the guy with the shuriken just refreshes the debuff by attacking, so neither is a terribly productive scenario one-on-one, which is why I'm disinclined to "tiebreak" as it were in Onix's favor.
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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2016, 03:10:21 AM »
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Jack Russel (Radiata Stories) vs Ice Queen Avril (Wild ARMs 5)- IQA can take 1 hit from Jack (which is not a small amount of damage), but she can't take two. Jack can equip Wind res to stop Avril from 2HKOing. She just misses 3-2ing. So she eats 2 nasty damage shots and falls

Heavy

Nash Latkje (Suikoden III) vs Marisa (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones)- Yeah, don't think AS scaled to enemies changes this. She 3HKOs, has more evade and more accuracy and healing isn't a good long term strat
White Fiend (Lunar: Eternal Blue) vs Martym Noumous (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
Estelle Bright (The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Demi (Phantasy Star IV: End of the Millennium)

Middle

Shante (Arc the Lad II) vs Daoros (Shadow Hearts: From the New World)-  Fast recharge to 3-2
Chameleon Man (Wild ARMs 3) vs White Mage (Final Fantasy V)

Light

Mack (Lost Odyssey) vs Judith (Tales of Vesperia)- Need respect for Mack's Fear (which I don't have against tech users!) and Judy may block it anyways. Judy is a competent high Light/Middle with no glaring flaws
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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2016, 04:31:19 AM »
Daoros can't use magic outside of combos unless his target is flying (e.g. Thunderbird/La Sirene), since his only spell has a high effect range (misses grounded targets unless an earlier attack airs them).

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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2016, 10:08:07 AM »
Hmmm, leaning towards Shante then. Unless Daoros doubles really quickly, he'll only be able to attack eating a normally puny counter. But Shante will just let this happen until she's in range for the kill, which isn't long given Daoros' HP.
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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2016, 03:16:30 PM »
He starts with 80% stock so he does.  Also he still has fast recharge like almost every other SH3 boss unless I'm crazy so his HP would have to be a little under 0.3 PCHP for Shante to have a shot (assuming she neither misses nor gets blocked on the counters...) since he'd 3-2 her, and honestly while he's frail as hell I don't think I'd see him as frail as Tide does (and he is fought with Killer so there's the question of support credit to consider).
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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2016, 11:11:43 PM »
Yeah, I forgot about the fast recharge. That definitely is too much for Shante to handle. Vote changed.
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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2016, 01:13:23 AM »
Godlike

Jack Russel (Radiata Stories) vs Ice Queen Avril (Wild ARMs 5): Burrrp. Copying Dhyer.
Reicher (Mana Khemia 2: The Fall of Alchemy) vs Walter (The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC)
Protea (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road) vs Aeterna (I Am Setsuna)
Rorolina Frixel (Atelier Rorona: The Alchemist of Arland) vs Cress Albane (Tales of Phantasia): OHKO.

Heavy

Nash Latkje (Suikoden III) vs Marisa (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones)
White Fiend (Lunar: Eternal Blue) vs Martym Noumous (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
Estelle Bright (The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Demi (Phantasy Star IV: End of the Millennium)
Edea Kramer (Final Fantasy VIII) vs Zatanna (Justice League Heroes)

Middle

Shante (Arc the Lad II) vs Daoros (Shadow Hearts: From the New World)
Chameleon Man (Wild ARMs 3) vs White Mage (Final Fantasy V)
Jiro (Blue Dragon) vs Tio (Grandia II)
Umbreon (Pokémon) vs Black Mage (Final Fantasy Dimensions)

Light

Onix (Pokémon) vs Jakob (Fire Emblem Fates)
Riddel (Chrono Cross) vs Io Nitta (Devil Survivor 2)
Tim Rhymeless (Wild ARMs 2) vs Camille (Celestian Tale: Old North)
Mack (Lost Odyssey) vs Judith (Tales of Vesperia)

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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2016, 08:15:25 AM »
Re Martym vs. White Fiend: Kinda interesting that Elf is favoring Martym, since I'm used to assuming lower Lunar2 boss disrespect from him than I'd offer (mostly party size plot).  Anyway, I guess I can see the Martym argument, but to go slightly against it...  I suspect that Martym's super magic-defense, with a mostly-subtractive system like TO's, would look much less impressive if the party was assumed at an even mildly higher level, like L23 rather than L21.  WF doesn't like being held against a higher level party either, but he isn't as profoundly affected as TO characters are by level imbalances, and the TOPSP endgame is famously squirrely as far as how much you want to do.  Anyway, seems as fair a method as any to tiebreak.  Just some random blather!

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Re: Futurama 2016 Week 3
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2016, 03:29:09 PM »
Godlike

Jack Russel (Radiata Stories)- ii vs Ice Queen Avril (Wild ARMs 5)
Reicher (Mana Khemia 2: The Fall of Alchemy)- i vs Walter (The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky SC)
Protea (The Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road)- i vs Aeterna (I Am Setsuna)
Rorolina Frixel (Atelier Rorona: The Alchemist of Arland) vs Cress Albane (Tales of Phantasia)- i

Heavy

Nash Latkje (Suikoden III)- i vs Marisa (Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones)- iiiii
White Fiend (Lunar: Eternal Blue)- iii vs Martym Noumous (Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together)
Estelle Bright (The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky) vs Demi (Phantasy Star IV: End of the Millennium)- iiii
Edea Kramer (Final Fantasy VIII)- i vs Zatanna (Justice League Heroes)

Middle

Shante (Arc the Lad II) vs Daoros (Shadow Hearts: From the New World)- iii
Chameleon Man (Wild ARMs 3)- i vs White Mage (Final Fantasy V)- iiiii
Jiro (Blue Dragon)- ii vs Tio (Grandia II)
Umbreon (Pokémon) vs Black Mage (Final Fantasy Dimensions)- i

Light

Onix (Pokémon) vs Jakob (Fire Emblem Fates)- iii
Riddel (Chrono Cross)- i vs Io Nitta (Devil Survivor 2)- ii
Tim Rhymeless (Wild ARMs 2) vs Camille (Celestian Tale: Old North)- iii
Mack (Lost Odyssey) vs Judith (Tales of Vesperia)- ii
CK: She is the female you
Snow: Speaking of Sluts!

<NotMiki> I mean, we're talking life vs. liberty, with the pursuit of happiness providing color commentary.