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Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN)
Avalon (Legaia2) vs. Dark Force (PS4)
Raquel Applegate (WA4) vs. KOS-MOS (XS)
Ryu (BoF2) vs. Indalecio (SO2)


Heavy

Decus (SO2) vs. Lundgren (FE7)
Lenny Curtis (SH2) vs. Rei (BoF3)
Hect (G3) vs. Asellus (Saga)
Edge Eblan (FF4) vs. Groudon (PKMN)


Middle

Meru (LoD) vs. Vaynard (Brig)
Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS)
Tengaar (Suikos) vs. Kira (VH)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Gares (OB)


Light

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC)
Freed Yamamoto (S2) vs. Rahal (S5)
Mariel (WA:ACF) vs. Jewel (S4)
Emma Hetfield (WA:ACF)* vs. Estella (S3)
« Last Edit: May 17, 2008, 08:03:56 PM by Jo'ou Ranbu »
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Avalon (Legaia2) vs. Dark Force (PS4)- Isn't Dark Force.
Raquel Applegate (WA4) vs. KOS-MOS (XS)- S-Chain makes this easy.
Ryu (BoF2) vs. Indalecio (SO2)-Thinking.


Heavy

Decus (SO2) vs. Lundgren (FE7)
Lenny Curtis (SH2) vs. Rei (BoF3)
Hect (G3) vs. Asellus (Saga)- No clue.
Edge Eblan (FF4) vs. Groudon (PKMN)- Goooo Edge.


Middle

Meru (LoD) vs. Vaynard (Brig)- Meru probably loses to Brusom level fighters, let alone Vaynard. Very easy 2HKO.
Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS)- Far greater resources, even with Tear using her physical instead of healing. The garbage status could also tilt it.
Tengaar (Suikos) vs. Kira (VH)- Tengaar's weapon hits a class weakness here. Ouch.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Gares (OB)- Holy magic? Check. Panties to make her a physical tank? Check. Gares sobbing? Check. Gares.. probably would have beaten Poco, but Alice? She kicks his ass around the block.


Light

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC)- Not worth a comment. Viktor thumps the scrub boss.
Freed Yamamoto (S2) vs. Rahal (S5)- Rahal is awful.


Bonus: Voting for Maronakins of course.
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Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN) - Poor kitty can't catch a good break. ;_;
Ryu (BoF2) vs. Indalecio (SO2) - Indy really, really sucks at full HP. Ryu may very well 2HKO with physical+G. Dragon, which chips just fine. Indalecio twiddles thumbs in the meanwhile and explodes.


Heavy

Decus (SO2) vs. Lundgren (FE7) - Uh. Maybe?
Edge Eblan (FF4) vs. Groudon (PKMN) - Groudon gets one turn awake! Two bad he needs two to win.


Middle

Meru (LoD) vs. Vaynard (Brig) - Counters and 2HKOs.
Tengaar (Suikos) vs. Kira (VH) - Revenge Earth, Tengaar goes lol.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Gares (OB) - lol gares


Light

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC) - Man, I pretty much tend to always kneejerk 3HKO damage as > runeless Suikoscrub.
Mariel (WA:ACF) vs. Jewel (S4) - I think Jewel 2HKOs. Fail.
Emma Hetfield (WA:ACF) vs. Estella (S3) - Estella, on her turn, just OHKOs Emma.
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Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN)- Lady
Avalon (Legaia2) vs. Dark Force (PS4)- Avalon. Dark Force has a little more durability, but I respect Avalon's damage a fair sight more.
Raquel Applegate (WA4) vs. KOS-MOS (XS)- KOS-MOS
Ryu (BoF2) vs. Indalecio (SO2)- Indy. High Indy respect, and Ryu 2 isn't hot at all when considered against Shamans.


Heavy

Decus (SO2) vs. Lundgren (FE7)- Decus
Lenny Curtis (SH2) vs. Rei (BoF3)- Lenny
Hect (G3) vs. Asellus (Saga)- Unsure who is faster.
Edge Eblan (FF4) vs. Groudon (PKMN)- Edge. Sleep locks him up, then ITD.


Middle

Meru (LoD) vs. Vaynard (Brig)- Vaynard. Not 50% PDur!
Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS)- Tear. Yes, forgot about FoF stuff.
Tengaar (Suikos) vs. Kira (VH)- Tengaar
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Gares (OB)- Alice


Light

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC)- Blargh, Peppor matches.
Freed Yamamoto (S2) vs. Rahal (S5)- Freed, I guess?
Mariel (WA:ACF) vs. Jewel (S4)- Jewel
Emma Hetfield (WA:ACF)* vs. Estella (S3)- Estella.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2008, 08:20:33 PM by Dhyerwolf »
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Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN)- Lost Progress vs. a Pokemon. Horrible, horrible slaughter.
Avalon (Legaia2) vs. Dark Force (PS4)- I've got quite a bit of respect for Avalon, and none for Dark Force.
Raquel Applegate (WA4) vs. KOS-MOS (XS)- Was about to vote Raquel, until super reminded me of S-Chain. S-Chain, Ether Limit, X-Buster pretty much settles this.
Ryu (BoF2) vs. Indalecio (SO2)- Congratulations, Ryu2. You've (probably)drawn the strongest Godlike you can defeat. Chips until G.Dragon kill point.


Heavy

Lenny Curtis (SH2) vs. Rei (BoF3)- Petrify.
Edge Eblan (FF4) vs. Groudon (PKMN)


Middle

Meru (LoD) vs. Vaynard (Brig)
Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS)- Good match. Both have near-limitless supplies of healing, both have scrubbish status. Tear can recover MP, and has FoFs to hep her damage somewhat. Severed Fate can FoF into Fatal Circle(After a casting of Holy Lance), which is conveniently Wind elemental. Press Turns. PAIN. If that's not enough, only one of these 2 have a limit. And I allow Fortune's Arc.
Tengaar (Suikos) vs. Kira (VH)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Gares (OB)- Splat.


Light

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC)- OH THE PAIN.
Freed Yamamoto (S2) vs. Rahal (S5)- Not Rahal.
Mariel (WA:ACF) vs. Jewel (S4)- Not Mariel.
Emma Hetfield (WA:ACF) vs. Estella (S3)- NOT EMMA.

Bonus match : Marona, easily.

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Is Rahal really that bad? He gets Sword of Magic at an S, along with a Flowing sword rune. Freed I believe had a locked Lightning rune on his weapon, which Rahal resists (If I am reading the stat topic right) Am I missing something here?

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People just aren't thinking too hard about this matchup. Light fights between two low-card Suikoden characters don't tend to get well thought analysis.

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Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN): That second trip to the finals is a lock.
Avalon (Legaia2) vs. Dark Force (PS4): Scrub slapfight.
Raquel Applegate (WA4) vs. KOS-MOS (XS)
Ryu (BoF2) vs. Indalecio (SO2): By my numbers ToT Indy survives G. Dragon with like 10% PCHP left, but that's enough.

Heavy

Decus (SO2) vs. Lundgren (FE7)
Lenny Curtis (SH2) vs. Rei (BoF3): Kneejerk due to protectors, could be argued.
Hect (G3) vs. Asellus (Saga)
Edge Eblan (FF4) vs. Groudon (PKMN)


Middle

Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS): Heal locks with physical combos
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Gares (OB)

Light

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC)
Freed Yamamoto (S2) vs. Rahal (S5)
« Last Edit: May 17, 2008, 06:11:56 PM by Monkeyfinger »

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Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN): This match could have been interesting if not for Lady's Dispel Counters <_<?  I could be fooling myself of course.  On the brightside, Mewtwo avoids a downgrade pool, I think.
Avalon (Legaia2) vs. Dark Force (PS4): Better.
Raquel Applegate (WA4) vs. KOS-MOS (XS): S-Chain completely wrecks Raquel.
Ryu (BoF2) vs. Indalecio (SO2): So wait, Ryu 2 is held against Shamans...something that only 3 PCs can conceivably use to full benefits...when no other PC is?  Um, ok, lets hold Orlandu against twinked out Ramza or Agrias, or VP1 Lenneth against Seraphic Gate equipment.

In any event, Ryu chips with his physical, then nukes Indy with G. Dragon.  G. Dragon is still overkill even with Shamans, don't try to claim anything else.


Heavy

Decus (SO2) vs. Lundgren (FE7): Kneejerk.
Lenny Curtis (SH2) vs. Rei (BoF3): Even if I see Protectors blocking the status turn 1, don't think Rei kills fast enough.  MAYBE if Weretiger didn't cost a turn...
Hect (G3) vs. Asellus (Saga): Kneejerk again! Need to look up specifics on Hect granted.
Edge Eblan (FF4) vs. Groudon (PKMN): Poor Groudon ;_;


Middle

Meru (LoD) vs. Vaynard (Brig): Um, wow.  Meru charges in, hits Vaynard, eats a counter, then receives a physical right after.  From what I remember, Vaynard's physicals were actually competent in terms of damage, enough that they can easily 2HKO Meru. 
Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS): Need to look this up a bit.
Tengaar (Suikos) vs. Kira (VH): Revenge Earth, if nothing else.  Sniper or Sky Lord, matters not.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Gares (OB): Holy Magic vs. Gares.  That'll go over well.  Especially when all you have are Physicals, and your magic is Dark Elemental.


Light

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC): Peppor, unlike his partner, doesn't have complete ass for damage.  Granted, in game, you tend to forget this cause it doesn't hit a level of "high enough to care" given its ST and all that.  Its enough to beat Viktor, regardless.
Freed Yamamoto (S2) vs. Rahal (S5): Freed = Typical Suikoscrub.  Rahal is Subtypical Suikoscrub.
Mariel (WA:ACF) vs. Jewel (S4): Assuming Jewel doesn't 2HKO...wait, she's fighting Mariel, forget that!
Emma Hetfield (WA:ACF) vs. Estella (S3): While Emma's stats aren't quite as bad as Mariel's, they're still absolutely atrocious.
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Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN)
Avalon (Legaia2) vs. Dark Force (PS4) - Avalon respect = negative. DF is faster, more durable, and about as damaging.
Raquel Applegate (WA4) vs. KOS-MOS (XS)

Heavy

Edge Eblan (FF4)
vs. Groudon (PKMN) - Aww~

Middle

Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS)

Light

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC)
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Lenny Curtis (SH2) vs. Rei (BoF3): Kneejerk due to protectors, could be argued.


Protectors only halve status odds, Lenny also isn't frail at all and Rei's damage takes way too long to get going thanks to Weretiger buildup time.

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Is Rahal really that bad? He gets Sword of Magic at an S, along with a Flowing sword rune. Freed I believe had a locked Lightning rune on his weapon, which Rahal resists (If I am reading the stat topic right) Am I missing something here?

Rahal is worse on damage, speed, defense, HP, evasion.. he is fucking awful. The sword of magic rune does nothing at all for him, see Gourry's notes. It's a completely useless rune in the DL unless he has an elemental weakness he can hit with it. Rahal also takes a pretty good hit to his defense to resist thunder, it's made worse by the fact that he only resists the extra damage from Freed's physical that comes from the Rune, not all of it. He in short completely horrible and a borderline Puny. Freed's just a Light.

Meep: Evil Dead/Evil Circle is physical and dark elemental! That's going to go well for Gares.
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Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN) - Recover, along with RBY's magical/physical durability (2.03!/1.28) and HP, may alone be enough to give him a chance. (have to do some more calculating to be sure) And with psychic's (stackable) special ATK/DEF downing effect on top of that, he might actually have the edge here I think.
Avalon (Legaia2) vs. Dark Force (PS4)
Raquel Applegate (WA4) vs. KOS-MOS (XS)
Ryu (BoF2) vs. Indalecio (SO2)


Heavy

Decus (SO2) vs. Lundgren (FE7)
Lenny Curtis (SH2) vs. Rei (BoF3)
Hect (G3) vs. Asellus (Saga)
Edge Eblan (FF4) vs. Groudon (PKMN)


Middle

Meru (LoD) vs. Vaynard (Brig)
Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS)
Tengaar (Suikos) vs. Kira (VH)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Gares (OB)


Light

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC) - Damn, thinking of the wrong one...
Freed Yamamoto (S2) vs. Rahal (S5)
Mariel (WA:ACF) vs. Jewel (S4)
Emma Hetfield (WA:ACF)* vs. Estella (S3)
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Is Rahal really that bad? He gets Sword of Magic at an S, along with a Flowing sword rune. Freed I believe had a locked Lightning rune on his weapon, which Rahal resists (If I am reading the stat topic right) Am I missing something here?

Rahal is worse on damage, speed, defense, HP, evasion.. he is fucking awful. The sword of magic rune does nothing at all for him, see Gourry's notes.

Yes, Rahal is basically an endgame Suikoden mage who was too stupid to pick up a passable Magic rune. A sucky runeless fighter tends to smash a sucky effectively runeless mage. Now, the one thing in his Rahal's favor is that the numbers I stole from Gourry seem to be without crits. But it won't matter, as his speed is really bad.
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Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN) - Recover, along with RBY's magical/physical durability (2.03!/1.28) and HP, may alone be enough to give him a chance. (have to do some more calculating to be sure) And with psychic's (stackable) special ATK/DEF downing effect on top of that, he might actually have the edge here I think.

EDIT: Okay, overrated Lady's full HP damage. But then, she can still OHKO him without that due to Crimson Raid being physical, and 2.18x PC HP on the first turn (Pyro checked this just now and obtained 1225 damage, and I'm taking my own HP average, which is 560. The stat topic's average is 522, so I'm not taking her with an extra serving of generosity here) is still more than enough to kill Mewtwo even if it was magical. And Psychic's Sp. Atk down effect is something like turn three. It's not going to win him the match on average, considering he's going to get one turn.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2008, 03:31:59 AM by Jo'ou Ranbu »
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I like the Suiko theme going on in most of the fights.



Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN)
Avalon (Legaia2) vs. Dark Force (PS4)
Raquel Applegate (WA4) vs. KOS-MOS (XS)
Ryu (BoF2) vs. Indalecio (SO2)


Heavy

Decus (SO2) vs. Lundgren (FE7)
Lenny Curtis (SH2) vs. Rei (BoF3)
Hect (G3) vs. Asellus (Saga)
Edge Eblan (FF4) vs. Groudon (PKMN)


Middle

Meru (LoD) vs. Vaynard (Brig)
Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS)
Tengaar (Suikos) vs. Kira (VH)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Gares (OB)


Light

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC)
Freed Yamamoto (S2) vs. Rahal (S5)
Mariel (WA:ACF) vs. Jewel (S4)
Emma Hetfield (WA:ACF)* vs. Estella (S3)

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Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN) - Recover, along with RBY's magical/physical durability (2.03!/1.28) and HP, may alone be enough to give him a chance. (have to do some more calculating to be sure) And with psychic's (stackable) special ATK/DEF downing effect on top of that, he might actually have the edge here I think.

EDIT: Okay, overrated Lady's full HP damage. But then, she can still OHKO him without that due to Crimson Raid being physical. And Psychic's Sp. Atk down effect is something like turn three. It's not going to win him the match on average, considering he's going to get one turn.
That's the thing though, I don't allow full starting stock gauges or anything post Unbral. (story issues etc) You're right though. Crimson Raid is more of an issue then I first thought. Not sure how much, but i'll have to do some calculating.

All in all I have some issues with her in the DL.
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Selected comments, one a division:

Ryu (BoF2) vs. Indalecio (SO2) - High Indy respect, notably high Indy HP respect.

Decus (SO2) vs. Lundgren (FE7) - Not terribly high non-Indy, non-Cyril Wiseman respect.  Also counters.

Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS) - Not really familiar with DDS, but since no one else has mentioned it yet...  if this turns into a stallfest, let's not forget Tear has a Mystic Arte to end it.

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC) - Kneejerk against Peppor & Solt.  Ketchop might have won here.

Some probably overthinking of the bonus:

Walnut sucks.  No way I'm voting for him.

Squall...  huh.  Phantom Isle is small, so the FF8 crew doesn't really have time to set up - Marona can easily walk a fair distance on her initiative turn, summon a phantom yet another range again, and then have that phantom be able to walk about in their range.  And there's only 6 of them.  This is bad, as it means they probably all die before getting a turn, or at least everyone relevant.  This is probably near necessary, since if given time to set up some kind of horrific Cerberus - > Triple -> Auras -> Mighty Guard setup, they'd be pretty well set.  Also, Rinoa is an X-Factor here.  Normally this is bad for Squall since it can turn winnable events into lost ones, but since he isn't favored here, maybe she does something crazy and it works?  Also...  Quistis with a machine gun in a landing craft hype?

Ike...  hmm.  Ash gets to disarm Ragnell from Ike with Flying Bomb and have somebody else pick up and use it for humiliation, but Ike has spare weapons, so that isn't *that* crippling.  The problem is that all their Staff users (Rhys, Mist, Soren, Ilyana, & Elincia are it, I think?) are horribly frail and FE-style "protect them with a human wall!" doesn't really work against PB characters with large area-attack spells & abilities that ignore evasion.  Sure, whoever unleashes the first attack fries to the counters, but the second attack probably wipes them out.  Ike does have sheer weight of numbers, though (Marona can only keep so many phantoms out).  Still, by handing out weapons like bushes and so on and generally twinking for speed, I think that Marona's army can avoid getting doubled, and even if some of the first troops die, they won't easily be able to get to Marona & the healers who'll just bring them back.  Marona can play an attrition game, Ike can't.  Ike only wins this if he has his flyers sneak in and take out both Marona and any healers she summoned at once.  Doable, but tough.

Lucretia's probably get the best shot here, as the Prince & Lyon are reasonably tanky and their Unite attack is pretty awesome.  More generally, they have a crudton of mages with "everyone dies" attacks....  though I suppose if Marona sees the Prince & 17 mages coming, she summons an army set up for Magic Resistance.  Also...  Dragon Cavalry hype for a marine attack?!  Maybe Rahal would be worth a damn here after all.

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Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN)
Avalon (Legaia2) vs. Dark Force (PS4): I think? It's closish, may still change my mind.
Raquel Applegate (WA4) vs. KOS-MOS (XS): S-Chain wrecks Raquel pretty thoroughly. Argh, KOS-MOS should not be getting wins in Godlike.
Ryu (BoF2) vs. Indalecio (SO2): Enough respect for his durability to see him getting off a turn under ToT. That's all he needs.


Heavy

Decus (SO2) vs. Lundgren (FE7)
Lenny Curtis (SH2) vs. Rei (BoF3)
Hect (G3) vs. Asellus (Saga)
Edge Eblan (FF4) vs. Groudon (PKMN)


Screw you too, Heavy.


Middle

Meru (LoD) vs. Vaynard (Brig)
Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS): Less likely to run out of resources, and...the match will probably drag on for long enough for her crappy status to hit. It's enough.
Tengaar (Suikos) vs. Kira (VH)
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Gares (OB): Laughter.


Light

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC)
Freed Yamamoto (S2) vs. Rahal (S5): Rahal really is Puny-bait.
Mariel (WA:ACF) vs. Jewel (S4): I have trouble seeing Mariel beat anyone short of Jogurt and Suikodogs. Jewel's not that bad.
Emma Hetfield (WA:ACF) vs. Estella (S3): Emma's stats are utter garbage. Final Flame probably OHKOs; even if it doesn't, there's not really anything Emma can do to avoid getting fragged by the next one (her healing isn't even full!)

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Decus (SO2) vs. Lundgren (FE7) - Not terribly high non-Indy, non-Cyril Wiseman respect.  Also counters.

Decus's damage is both magic (long-range) and MT, both of which are pretty effective at getting around counters in FE (Well, long-range gets around Lundgren's best counters anyways).
...into the nightfall.

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Godlike

Lady (SH3) vs. Mewtwo (PKMN): See Snow. Lady's damage is better than I thought.
Avalon (Legaia2) vs. Dark Force (PS4): I might be underselling Avalon's durability with the halving, but cooking says he is worse on speed/damage.
Raquel Applegate (WA4) vs. KOS-MOS (XS): S-Chain. L'sigh.
Ryu (BoF2) vs. Indalecio (SO2): G.Drgn hurts like a bitch.


Heavy

Decus (SO2) vs. Lundgren (FE7): Lundgren against magic is pretty terrible. Like, sub 40% durability terrible (taken against 4-5 PCs). Basically just imagine if you had a party full of mages and he didn't have counters (counters already being factored in the DL). He could win if this was Marsillo!
Lenny Curtis (SH2) vs. Rei (BoF3): Hmm. 2 Weretiger attacks... I guess not.
Hect (G3) vs. Asellus (Saga): Strong kneejerk. Freeze/Armageddon -> Obliterate should work.
Edge Eblan (FF4) vs. Groudon (PKMN): Whatever. Edge is the status whore I like least in probably the entire DL.


Middle

Meru (LoD) vs. Vaynard (Brig)
Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS): She's heal locked by Tear's physical tech, but I think she has more healing than Tear does castings of that. Now the FoF weakness hitting might be something else... Edit: Yeah, sure. Weakness hitting and whatnot.
Tengaar (Suikos) vs. Kira (VH): I'm always up for Kira killing.
Alice Elliot (SH1) vs. Gares (OB)


Light

Viktor (Suikos) vs. Peppor (CC): I do not accept this. I DO NOT ACCEPT THIS. Look at it later.
Freed Yamamoto (S2) vs. Rahal (S5): Moar failure.
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Tear Grants (TotA) vs. Argilla (DDS): She's heal locked by Tear's physical tech, but I think she has more healing than Tear does castings of that. Now the FoF weakness hitting might be something else...


According to the stat topic, Argilla has 42 castings of full healing if she only uses Diarahan. That's helluva lot.

Should Tear alternate between Holy Lance and Fatal Circle, she's only got 17 turns worth of TP.
Should they slug it out, Argilla will definitely outlast Tear according to those numbers.
Problem is, Fatal Circle gives Tear that extra Press Turn.
I... don't see Argilla surviving a full physical chain after Fatal Circle hitting her WEAKNESS on gameworst HP and defense.

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Okay. I'll bite. Think Tear can resist/immune the status too, on top of gamebest Mdef.

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According to the guide, Fatal Circle is Light Elemental.

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Shown as Wind in-game. Also activates off of a wind FOF.

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Shown as Wind in-game. Also activates off of a wind FOF.

FOF's for some moves are weird.  Shadow Fury is chained from Fire but is Dark aligned.

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The icon for it showed wind. Do you know any light/wind weak enemies I can test in a hurry?